True, but Palpatine expected that sort of thing from Anakin and by ROTJ, Vader'd abandoned his amibitions, he was broken upon Palpatine's will and seeming omniscience. Dooku on the other hand...he was trying to recruit Obi-wan. Join me, destroy Sidious with me...but turn him to the darkside in the process
Originally posted by Escape81
He said he's done.This is the problem. You're both at fault.
A lot of it happens to be over your personal preferences. Don't tell me that you Pyro Tyrannus is NOT someone who easily prefers Dooku to any other Star Wars character. Or Rampant Ox, the guy who strongly implies that he is in love with Christopher Lee.
I prefer Yoda, Palpatine, and Exar Kun - as well as General Grievous. But, I won't hesitate to tell you when they'd lose, when they'd get owned.
You, on the other hand, do.
You, who says that Dooku was toying with Mace on Boz Pity. That is poor, twisted logic. Dooku and Windu were fighting, and Dooku's Magnaguards blindsided Mace - allowing Dooku to "make his departure".
AFTER that happens, he is told that Grievous was alive.
No. That proves it. Dooku could never toy with Mace. EVER. A fight between them could go either way.
Read the page dude. You can see he his playing a game with Windu. . .
Originally posted by Lightsnake
True, but Palpatine expected that sort of thing from Anakin and by ROTJ, Vader'd abandoned his amibitions, he was broken upon Palpatine's will and seeming omniscience. Dooku on the other hand...he was trying to recruit Obi-wan. Join me, destroy Sidious with me...but turn him to the darkside in the process
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Well, that's rather different as Vader realized Palpatine WASN'T omniscient and Palpatine didn't understand the bond between father and son
The Force fight between Count Dooku and Yoda wasn't really much of a fight, as it was obvious that Yoda's control of the Force still, by a considerable amount, exceeded his former padawan's.
Hardly.
Dooku hurled two generators at Yoda, and each was repelled. Dooku then tried to crush Yoda with some debris from the cavern's roof. Yoda caught them and brushed them to the side.
Dooku then attempted to then electrocute Yoda. Yoda caught the blast with one hand and pushed it back. Dooku then attempted to electrocute Yoda a second time, which Yoda caught and then crushed in his bare hand.
I really dont understand how Yoda could be deemed as better in the force fight. I mean he just stood there. Dooku stood there but he threw generators, blasted lightning and collapsed the roof. This shows more force power than Yoda does. However Yoda did manage to counter Dooku's attacks which means the y stalemated.
Note - that the only instance during the Force duel where Yoda actually attempted to harm Dooku, was with the first initial attempt to disable him with Force lightning, which Dooku quickly reverted to the roof.-
Exactly. Yoda's only attack was quickly countered by Dooku. Doesnt make Yoda look very spectacular to me.
The saber fight between Count Dooku and Yoda is actually roughly 40 seconds in duration. Dooku is constantly on the defensive, Yoda pressing the attack. I actually don't recall in one instance where Dooku had the offensive.
How can you tell Dooku was on the defence? Was it because Yoda was jumping around? Because if it is that is a pretty crap argument because Yoda is always jumping around. And I do recall the Count do some fancy swirls. You can hardly conclude that Yoda had the advantage when they met blow for blow.
So, essentially, in less than a minute in a sheer saber-to-saber battle, Dooku is ready to call it quits, and thus endangers the life of Obi-Wan and Anakin in order to escape.
Well he had just taken out Kenobi and Skywalker. And then Yoda comes in and wants a fight. Hell, Dooku wasnt expecting to fight any of them. He needed to get to Coruscant.
Verdict: Sorry, but Dooku seems to be a firm notch or two beneath Yoda in lightsaber fighting and definately in a Force contest.
I agree that Dooku isnt as good as Yoda. However in the fight in AOTC they looked incredibly even.
Hardly.
Coming from you, this means a lot . . . Sorry, your opinion doesn't way much with me because of your overwhelming bias.
I really dont understand how Yoda could be deemed as better in the force fight. I mean he just stood there. Dooku stood there but he threw generators, blasted lightning and collapsed the roof. This shows more force power than Yoda does. However Yoda did manage to counter Dooku's attacks which means the y stalemated.
Um . . . no. Dooku tossed everything he had at Yoda, and Yoda repelled it all. Yoda only attempted to attack Dooku once during the Force fight, but every other time, he simply tossed the debris away and said, "much to learn you still have".
Dooku is NOT Yoda's equal in Force powers. He is a notch or two beneath him.
Exactly. Yoda's only attack was quickly countered by Dooku. Doesnt make Yoda look very spectacular to me.
LMAO!
It was Dooku's attack that Yoda simply pushed back at him. And if ya wanna get technical, ALL of Dooku's attacks were EASILY.
Doesn't make Dooku look very spectacular to me . . .
How can you tell Dooku was on the defence? Was it because Yoda was jumping around? Because if it is that is a pretty crap argument because Yoda is always jumping around. And I do recall the Count do some fancy swirls. You can hardly conclude that Yoda had the advantage when they met blow for blow.
Yoda was always forcing Dooku back. He always had the advantage.
Well he had just taken out Kenobi and Skywalker. And then Yoda comes in and wants a fight. Hell, Dooku wasnt expecting to fight any of them. He needed to get to Coruscant.
Is that right? Well, Dooku screwed around with Obi-Wan and Anakin - which in total - lasted far longer than the duel with Yoda. No. He stayed there to prove his superiority, and he did - to Obi-Wan and Anakin. But he failed to do so against Yoda.
I agree that Dooku isnt as good as Yoda. However in the fight in AOTC they looked incredibly even.
1. Yoda repelled all of Dooku's attack, with ease.
2. Yoda forced Dooku on the defensive.
3. Yoda forced Dooku to flee Geonosis.
4. Dooku only escaped by endangering Obi-Wan and Anakin.
Sorry, Rampant. They are hardly even.
Originally posted by Darth Vious
I think Dooku also knew Palpatine wasn't omniscient or he would not have made the offer to Obi-Wan. I think Dooku is the one person who is truly honest in his dealings with people (regardless of the nature of his intention).
Tell that to Jango and Nute Gunray...Dooku intended to remove the Seperatist council from power and give it to humans...he also elected to pin all the war crimes on Grievous
Originally posted by Escape81
He. DIES. At. 7.He is not in his master's league when it comes to the Force, and I could make an argument that Palpatine is easily on par with Dooku in lightsaber ability.
Palpatine > Dooku.
Well then lets see it. Can Palpatine's style which includes funny epressions and stiff movements defeat the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form?
Give me a- Grievous expected the man who saved his life would backstab him? Nute Gunray knew the risks Dooku planned to betray him ALL ALONG?
And Palpatine's able to square off with Yoda in a saber duel, Dooku's defenses were battered to hell by Yoda. Oh, yeah...Anakin's wide swinging defeated the ultimate saber to saber form
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Give me a- Grievous expected the man who saved his life would backstab him? Nute Gunray knew the risks Dooku planned to betray him ALL ALONG?And Palpatine's able to square off with Yoda in a saber duel, Dooku's defenses were battered to hell by Yoda. Oh, yeah...Anakin's wide swinging defeated the ultimate saber to saber form
yoda and Dooku were going blow-for-blow. What wild swing? Makashi is the ultimate duelling form. Shien was created by Soresu masters who had emotional problems. . .
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Still: Shien beat Makashi. And no, Dooku was sorely defeated there...he ran away for a reason
Go to Dooku's skill thread if you want to see my argument. From SW.COM "Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Master Yoda by dropping a cran on Skywalker and Kenobi." He wasn't getting owned. He couldn't find any other way to defeat Yoda at the time...