Rots Obi-Wan Vs. Rots Dooku no force

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I can't help it. 🪩

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number 72! No WAR!!!!

kenobi would win

Razielim KGB

I'm guessing Dooku, but Kenobi was an excellent swordsman at this point.

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Well, seeing how easily Dooku tagged Obi-Wan (not once but twice) in AotC, I can't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to do the same again.
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In the Visual Dictionary (the dirtiest kind of EU, I know) for AotC, it says:

A Jedi of powerful inner focus, Obi-Wan nevertheless finds he is unprepared for the Count's specialist techniques. Against Kenobi's Form III moves, the Count demonstrates the ancient and elegant precision of Form II lightsaber combat

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Even though theres books, does anyone really know how much Dooku got better since Aotc? Obi-Wan got MUCH better. But iono about Dooku. And in the Rots novel it says that once Obi-WSan stopped playing around and started using Makashi instead of Ataru (Or was it Juyo?) Dooku had trouble blocking Obi-Wans attacks. Which is odd...considering that Makashi is a defensive form, why would it be so aggresive?

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Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Even though theres books, does anyone really know how much Dooku got better since Aotc? Obi-Wan got MUCH better. But iono about Dooku. And in the Rots novel it says that once Obi-WSan stopped playing around and started using Makashi instead of Ataru (Or was it Juyo?) Dooku had trouble blocking Obi-Wans attacks. Which is odd...considering that Makashi is a defensive form, why would it be so aggresive?

I think you've got it the wrong way round... Obi-Wan stopped using Ataru (acrobatics) at the end of TPM and focussed on Soresu (entirely defensive. Makashi is not really a defensive form, although it does include parries and returns, as it is a form for actual blade to blade duelling.

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im talking about the Rots novel.

EDIT: Oh, I get what your saying. You misunderstood me. In the Rots novel, when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting Dooku, the first half of the match they are toying with him. Obi-Wan uses Ataru (Even though he mastered Soresu) and Anakin used something else that wasn't his form. Dooku, thinking that Anakin and Obi were using there REAL form,s and sucking, let his gaurd down.Then Obi-Wan and Anakin started using there REAL forms and Dooku could barely dodge/block there attacks. Ani and Obi tricked Dooku.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
im talking about the Rots novel.

EDIT: Oh, I get what your saying. You misunderstood me. In the Rots novel, when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting Dooku, the first half of the match they are toying with him. Obi-Wan uses Ataru (Even though he mastered Soresu) and Anakin used something else that wasn't his form. Dooku, thinking that Anakin and Obi were using there REAL form,s and sucking, let his gaurd down.Then Obi-Wan and Anakin started using there REAL forms and Dooku could barely dodge/block there attacks. Ani and Obi tricked Dooku.


Gotcha. I haven't read the entire RotS novel, just a few bits here and there. However, the movie supercedes that for canon accuracy, and during the duel (in the movie), Dooku had no trouble blocking any of Anakin or Obi-Wan's attacks, and only had his hands cut off when Anakin physically grabbed him and cut them off, they didn't get cut off while they were still fighting blade to blade, as they were when Dooku severed Anakin's arm.
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Pyro Tyrannus "Nerd maker funner of-er"
Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Makashi was a defensive form? I didn't know.

It uses parries and thrusts. It is an offense/defense form. . .

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Makashi was a defensive form? I didn't know.
It is actually a bit of a lower defensive form. It is used to tire out opponents and to make precise and effective jabs. So it could be seen more of an offensive style.
So what Eragon993 said is right but he mixed up the warriors.

Obi Wan using Ataru again however.. Maybe he could, probably not.

Razielim KGB

eh? Dooku had no trouble blocking their attacks? Well, that's hard to say considering we don't get many close ups and we don't know what the Count is thinking. The novelization and the script take precedence where the movie was not clear... and Dooku did get quite tired from dueling the duo.

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Originally posted by overlord
It is actually a bit of a lower defensive form. It is used to tire out opponents and to make precise and effective jabs. So it could be seen more of an offensive style.
So what Eragon993 said is right but he mixed up the warriors.

Obi Wan using Ataru again however.. Maybe he could, probably not.

Nah I just thought Makashi was almost puely offensive.

And yes Obi-Wan is good at both Ataru and Soresu. But he specializes in Soresu

Kaithen Senior Member
Originally posted by Darth Vious
Well, seeing how easily Dooku tagged Obi-Wan (not once but twice) in AotC, I can't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to do the same again.
[Edit to add]
In the Visual Dictionary (the dirtiest kind of EU, I know) for AotC, it says:

There is no force this time haha 😆

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Razielim
eh? Dooku had no trouble blocking their attacks? Well, that's hard to say considering we don't get many close ups

You don't need closeups to see if a blade is blocking another or not. None of the blows during the duels touched Dooku, so it's pretty clear he was able to block them.

Originally posted by Razielim
The novelization and the script take precedence where the movie was not clear... and Dooku did get quite tired from dueling the duo.

No, they do not. The movie is the highest level of canon. The script is simply a series of guidelines for the actors to base (and expand upon) with their performance. The novel might explain something in more detail (like Obi-Wan turning Grievous overpowering his defences to his advantage), but, he can be seen to do that in the movie (with the first hand he severs. The second hand, however, was severed when he moved is own blade against Grievous'😉

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Originally posted by Kaithen
There is no force this time haha 😆

When did I say anything about the Force being used? Dooku never used the Force in his AotC duel with Obi-Wan when he tagged him with the saber, only when he used Force lightning (which Obi-Wan grounded) and then when he pushed Anakin back (having cut off his arm during blade to blade combat)
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kamikz A.I.M Mercenary

That Kenobi was MUCH worse than ROTS Kenobi.

Razielim KGB
You don't need closeups to see if a blade is blocking another or not. None of the blows during the duels touched Dooku, so it's pretty clear he was able to block them.

Yes, he was blocking the blades but you claimed he had "no trouble" blocking them. Although he was keeping up with them, it's premature to say he was doing so without exerting himself.

No, they do not. The movie is the highest level of canon. The script is simply a series of guidelines for the actors to base (and expand upon) with their performance.

Yes, I agree. But in the movie we can't tell if he's tired or not... The novelization and the script comes in to clarify.

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Exactly, and the novelization is as high cannon as the movie is as long as it doesn't directly contradict it. Since the movie doesn't show how much energy is being used, the book is cannon, because it's not contradicting anythinng by saying how much effort was used to block or attack something/someone.