Originally posted by Sin Harvest
No Dooku was hardly in any battles and usely spent his time spending out his lackies to do his dirty work: Asajj, Durge, Grievous, and so on. Obi-Wan spent much time on the front lines in some of the biggest battles of the Clone Wars. Fact is Obi-Wan had much to learn and much to approve on. Dooku didn't.
Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Obi-Wan clearly became far stronger then he was in ATOC and Dooku remained about the same.
Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And Dooku defeating Obi-Wan with the Force doesn't matter in a lightsaber only battle.
Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And the only PROOF you would have is that Dooku had to use the Force to defeat Obi-Wan and then Anakin slew Dooku.
Originally posted by Sin Harvest
And yes I do believe that Obi-Wan defeating Anakin proves my point for Anakin couldn't even break through Obi-Wan's defenses after fighting throughout Mustafar and yet he did with Dooku in like 2 minutes.
Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Obi-Wan didn't want to kill Anakin or else he would have finished the job at the end of the duel instead of leaving him there so Obi-Wan clearly was defensive for that reason.
Obi-Wan is my favorite character, but I can still accept that Dooku is a superior swordsman to him.
Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Im sure he would. THis same dancing school girl was also getting owned for a few minutes by the duo in the nvel, which is cannon.
Really the same novel that says Ataro instead of Ataru? The same which said Kit Fisto's head landed on the desk when it was seen clearly that he was chopped in half at the waist? Or that Yoda was getting severly owned by Sidious? I don't think so. . .
No actually. The movies did not show it, hence, it does not contradict anything. AN example:
In the Rots movie Dooku gets his hands, as well as hi shead, lopped off. If the book had instead showed Anakin choppign off Dooku's arms, than his head, than his legs, than force pushed across the room. Than the book would be contradicting the movie and thus, not cannon.
Ataru's spelling can be spelled w/e way, and that may have just been a typo in the book.
It is clearly shown actualy that Kit FIsto is just slashed in he chest, and he falls down. THey don't show his body fallign in two halves like Maul.
And finally no one knows whether or not Yoda was actually having a hard time or not. He may have been physicly exhausted from that match, but, being a Jedi, surpressed his emotios nand feeligns in order to concentrate.
Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
1. Dooklu DIDN'T improve at all, if not than BARELY, Dooku sat around in the background, pulling strings, sipping martinis, and getting his old man political charm on, nearly the entire campaign. Obi-Wan on the other hand spent the entire campaign on the front lines, fighting droids and Sith such as Assaj Ventress. Obi-Wan would be in a lot better fighting shape than the Count.
Hilarious.
Dooku (from AotC to ROTS) trained his Dark acolytes (including Ventress) and Grievous - which would be quite some sparring time. He confronted Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda (twice), Mace Windu, Sora Bulq, Ventress (CW cartoons) and Tholme.
Yet the only saber to saber action Obi-Wan did see was fighting Asajj (who kicked his ass - even giving him problems pretty close to RotS) and sparing with Anakin. But somehow he improved more then Dooku who did see far more "real" saber to saber combat and trained multiple lightsaber users in this time period.
Not to mention he just had to close a 5 decade experience gap between himself and Dooku who was just one of the 3 best duellist and most powerful Jedi the Order had seen in the last centuries, able to defeat Masters and Council members in lightsaber combat without using the force and was the head instructor of the order for advanced lightsaber combat (which means he must have known more than one form).
2. When Obi-Wan got WTFpwnd, if your referring to Rotsm guess what? DOOKU USED THE FORCE! AND THERE IS NO USING THE FORCE IN THIS MATCH SO THAT'S IRRELEVANT!111!111 So if you don't "clearly" see Obi-Wan get better, than buy some damned glasses, it's pretty easy to see someone's improvement when they've been bumped up to the rank of JEdi Master AND put on the Jedi Council AND titled THE Soresu Master. That's quite an improvement.
Wow. Let's see. Obi-Wan did receive a title that Dooku would have earned decades before if he didn't defy the Councils decissions. Great. Then he became "the" master of a form that we only see being used by 3 (!) Jedi - while Dooku mastered the ULTIMATE REFINEMENT OF LIGHTSABER TO LIGHTSABER COMBAT decades before Obi-Wan first had a lightsaber in his hand.
Then we have just to ingore the fact that Dooku trained, sparred and always defeated the second most powerful form IV user of the PT (Qui-Gon) a form which Obi-Wan is basing his entire offensive movements on and then we might see Obi-Wan having a chance here.
5. Thats not a big exaggeration, because...guess what, again? The first time Dooku beat Kenobi, HE WASN'T THE SORESU MASTER!!!! The second time he "beat" kenobi, HE USED THE FORCE, WHICH, IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE there's NO FORCE POWERS IN THIS MATCH.
And he still managed to defend himself against Anakin and Obi-Wan both at once in sheer saber confrontation. But suddenly he will have more problems handling one of them then he had handling both at once ?