Rots Obi-Wan Vs. Rots Dooku no force

Originally posted by darthsith19
Obi-Wan wins. He was said to be virtually unstoppable with a lightsaber, like a wall or something. Dooku'd get tired before Obi-Wan would and I highly doubt any saber atatcks Dooku did could get past kenobi's defenses.

WTF!!!! Dooku would not get tired before Obi-Wan. His style uses minimun energy!!! And of couse Dookus attacks would break through Kenobis defences. He has done it before and Dooku is a master of the lightsaber vs lightsaber style. So Dooku wins with relative ease.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
WTF!!!! Dooku would not get tired before Obi-Wan. His style uses minimun energy!!! And of couse Dookus attacks would break through Kenobis defences. He has done it before and Dooku is a master of the lightsaber vs lightsaber style. So Dooku wins with relative ease.

Soresu ALSO specializes in using almost no energy, as it's goal is to prologn a fight, wearing out an opponent until he makes an error, than the soresu user strikes. Also, Dooku's form is THE saber to saber combat, but Soresu is THE defensive form.

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
Soresu ALSO specializes in using almost no energy, as it's goal is to prologn a fight, wearing out an opponent until he makes an error, than the soresu user strikes. Also, Dooku's form is THE saber to saber combat, but Soresu is THE defensive form.

True. But Soresu draws out the fight to make the opponent tired. Dookus style counters that because it uses minimum energy. So Obi-Wan will probably tire before the Count anyway. And yes Soresu is the defensive form, but that didnt stop Dooku slashing his arm and leg...

But they BOTH use minimum energy, so Dooku's style using minimum enery doesn't really matter. And at that time Obi-Wan hadn't mastered Soresu yet. But at the time of Rots you'll notice that Oni-Wan's gaurd was never penetrated the entire movie.

There's a big difference between the Obi-Wan Dooku encountered in AOTC and the one he faces in ROTS. If you remember how the match in AOTC went Dooku was able to pierce through Kenobi's defenses and beat him fair and square in a swordfight. In AOTC Kenobi's already using Seresu(Soresu?) but he is not a master in it. By the time of ROTS Kenobi is a master of the form. Obi even got props from Mace Windu and part of the reason Obi was sent to handle Griveous was because of his mastery over that style. In ROTS we see Dooku take a different approach to handle Kenobi. He is not able to get Kenobi the same way he did before, and relies on using his superior force to overwhelm and put Obi-Wan out, fast.

IMO without the use of the Force as an offensive technique Dooku will eventually go down.

It would be an awesome battle.

I agree.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
There's a big difference between the Obi-Wan Dooku encountered in AOTC and the one he faces in ROTS. If you remember how the match in AOTC went Dooku was able to pierce through Kenobi's defenses and beat him fair and square in a swordfight. In AOTC Kenobi's already using Seresu(Soresu?) but he is not a master in it. By the time of ROTS Kenobi is a master of the form. Obi even got props from Mace Windu and part of the reason Obi was sent to handle Griveous was because of his mastery over that style. In ROTS we see Dooku take a different approach to handle Kenobi. He is not able to get Kenobi the same way he did before, and relies on using his superior force to overwhelm and put Obi-Wan out, fast.

IMO without the use of the Force as an offensive technique Dooku will eventually go down.

It would be an awesome battle.

Because Dooku used a different approach to eliminate Kenobi in ROTS means nothing. It doesnt prove that Dooku couldnt have taken him out in a straight duel. The Count was fighting two opponents this time remeber, so he needed to eliminate Kenobi ASAP. So it thebattle wont depend on who gets tired first because that would take ages. it depends on who is the better duellist and that would be Dooku.

The novel itself states Dooku was not able to handle Kenobi's defense. Nor could he tango with Anakin's physical strength. Also I don't think it would take ages for Dooku or Obi to get tired. It is quite possible for Jedi/Sith to get tired. Qui-Gon was tired the last moments before he died. Yoda himself was tired after fighting with Palpatine, Vader as well when fighting Luke. Now taking into consideration Dooku is Obi's senior by almost 50 years I'd say he will get tired before Obi-Wan.

No matter how long it takes for Dooku to get tired he -will- tire.

True. But Dookus age is hardly relevant either. He is said to have the strength of a 40 year old man. He wont get tired before Obi-Wan. His style wont allow it. And besides Soresu isnt really a offencive style. He wont be able to attack Dooku very well, and when he does attack Dooku will block him with relative ease.

Hence why Soresu is so effective. Soresu, being the more defensive for, will require Dooku to attack. So Dooku will spend almost all his time attacking, and no matter what form except, attacking will always drain your energy more than defending. So, if Dooku has the stamina of a fourty-year old man, then Obi-Wan will probably have the stamina of a 20-30 to year old. Add that to fact that Dooku will be mostly attacking, meaning he will exert more energy, and Dooku will probably tire out alot faster than Obi-Wan.

The point that im making is that the battle will last a long time. Easily enought time for Dooku to land the killing blow.

Dooku is simply the better fighter. Kenobi is a skilled swordsman, to be sure, but Dooku is his superior in that category.

But we don't knwo how much more skilled he is by the time of Rots.

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
But we don't knwo how much more skilled he is by the time of Rots.

What proof do we have of that? Dooku STILL couldn't get past Obi-Wans gaurd even when Anakin was out of the battle for a few minutes.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
WTF!!!! Dooku would not get tired before Obi-Wan. His style uses minimun energy!!! And of couse Dookus attacks would break through Kenobis defences. He has done it before and Dooku is a master of the lightsaber vs lightsaber style. So Dooku wins with relative ease.

You're obviously blinded with pro-Dooku bias....

You probly think that he would own 1000 clone troopers at once! 😆

Originally posted by BlaxicanTroller
What proof do we have of that? Dooku STILL couldn't get past Obi-Wans gaurd even when Anakin was out of the battle for a few minutes.

What?!? When did Dooku battle Kenobi one on one for 'a few' minutes. Never. So dont talk sh*t. The truth is Dooku has wtf pwned Kenobi twice before, and there is nothing stopping him from doing it again. Even without use of the force. Heck, Dooku is far better at fighting with a saber anyway. Im not saying Kenobi is weak (he is my thirs fav character) but he isnt on the same level as the Count.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
You're obviously blinded with pro-Dooku bias....

You probly think that he would own 1000 clone troopers at once! 😆

He would. 😐

Originally posted by Rampant ox
What?!? When did Dooku battle Kenobi one on one for 'a few' minutes. Never. So dont talk sh*t. The truth is Dooku has wtf pwned Kenobi twice before, and there is nothing stopping him from doing it again. Even without use of the force. Heck, Dooku is far better at fighting with a saber anyway. Im not saying Kenobi is weak (he is my thirs fav character) but he isnt on the same level as the Count.

Please don't tell ME about talking shit. Why don't you go look at your own idiotic posts in the "it isn't fair" topic before saying anything I have said is sh*t. In the novel he fights Obi-Wan one on one for about a minute or two. And yes, the novel IS CANNON BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONTRADICTING THE MOVIE!!! I AM SAYING THIS TO EVERYONE WHO KEEPS SAYING THAT THE ROTS NOVEL IS NOT CANNON!

Get your facts straight before insulting me kid.

But in the movie he never faces Obi in a one on one, only Anakin. So it does contradict it.....