Originally posted by jrodslam
Its not really prep. Its usually automatic when the wearer is in GL mode and or flying.True. Constructs have been broken in the past. There has also been times where the constructs hold up to the most severe of testings.
Okay. I'll give the GL that.
But I believe hundreds of continuous infinite-mass-punches can break down a shield/construct. And as soon as it's broken, the next move would be a simple killing strike.
If anything, a GL should never be able to touch Flash with anything. So there goes GL's offense.
"I'm laughing now because as usual you are wasting everyones time and have nothing to show for it except for some silly word play."
Dont feel so bad about your faulty claims in order to make someone look better than it did. Spill it out, we all can help.
On the other hand, no wait. Continue. After this one of him owning four Black Adam level guys at the same time, i want more gold comedy.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. I'll give the GL that.But I believe hundreds of continuous infinite-mass-punches can break down a shield/construct. And as soon as it's broken, the next move would be a simple killing strike.
If anything, a GL should never be able to touch Flash with anything. So there goes GL's offense.
Hundreds? And this is all before GL can enter flight mode and better prepare himself? Just for 1 IMP, Flash needs to build momentum before even executing such an attack. If the first hit isnt doing the job, his chances to beat GL goes down drastically.
If anything, Flash should never hit a GL again after the initial hit. There goes Flash's offence.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Mindship, how did you get 2/3 out of this?
Are you counting 1 lucky win for SS? Just curious.
Fernus alone could beat SS, add WW with all her magic weapons, and a full confidence Glads and this is overkill.
I didn't even add Superman (who coincidently, got an upgrade of his own recently.)
Y'know, I'm not even gonna dispute what you're saying, cuz I'm not that confident of even 2/3 (btw, I'm not familiar with this "Fernus" fellow, either, but from what I've been reading, he appears to be one tough SOB).
I'm leaning more and more towards your term, "overkill."
So that's you grand solution? He tries to use most of Supermans weakness at the same time? Ok, he tries that, and then realizes it's an illusion. He then goes to punch Supes and realizes it. Surfer feels a punch with the power to crack a moon in half hit him in a vulnerable pressure point (thanks so Supermans keen senses) and goes down.
How else would you beat somebody, who is literally of equal power without using their weakness, specially if this someone gets a new set of power nearly every time he meets a new villain. Also im pretty sure SS CA and his acute senses would be able to detect what is real and what is not, this is a guy that can sense whats not right in the cosmic balance of things as shown in SS and Capt universe crossover and many other. Also why didnt Supes use T-vo in justice mini when he was being beaten, i mean with this kind of abilities he could defeat opponents a lot quicker than normal, unless this one of his powers that only shows up against certain villain 🙄 . By the way Supes cannot break him in half, in your dreams perhaps but the writters would not allow it.
Thanos wasn't exactly trying to break him in half, was he? He simply wanted to show him who is better physically...and he did. How can someone who was snuffed by the absorbing man recently hope to take out Fernus...you know...the guy who easily took out over a 100 white martians on his own?
We dont know that do we and that will never happen the writter will not allow it because they dont have your sense of Superman can beat anyone fanboyism. Are we talking about Universe X series were absorbing man also took the rest of marvel superheroes is that desame guy your taking about because he was unstopabble in that series and thats why everyone lost to him.
This is fanboy created garbage. Show where SS has ever amped himself to Superman strength and kept up a battle with it.
No i cant show it to you because his never done it, but that is what said on his Power abilities, being able to amp his strength through the use of pc 100+ in strength. Read it again i said THEORITICALLY, i did'nt say he could.
"Now can you show me SS owning 4 Black adam or WW tier characters at the same time?"
Nobody said SS could take out 4 black adam or WW tier character at the same time, that was just you. My reason why SS could defeat Supes is because of SS ability to manipulate Supes Weakness and put that together with his durability, ability to whip up shields, able to amplify strength and speed.
Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
Too easy for Silver Surfer, the Gladiator is the weakest so a cosmic blast will kill him. Wonder woman gets some superfast punches and that's taken care of and superman get some kind of a kryptonite beam.
Martian manhunter would indeed be the most difficult to defeat.
Oh please. 🙄
Originally posted by Accel
What I find interesting is that there are at least five people there who could singlehandedly take Supes and all of them combined can't do anything to him?
Alright Avy. I never said Surfer would win this fight. And if i did, i wasn't in my right mind. And wrong.
What i did say, was that all of them at their most uber, but no special powerup showings, is a stalemate.
Since Surfer would be intangible, no brute or energy attacks would hurt him.
Psy is their best bet, but to someone who resisted the mindgem, its iffy at best.
Never did i say he stomps the team.
And i never said Surfer was capable of beating a team of herald level beings. And for the record, only Orion, Gl and Flash do i consider the herald level beings in that pic. Not WW. Or Aquaman if he was there.
My disbelief came in when you said Superman has proven to be on the level of Thanos or someone wielding the power gem. To be on that level of power, you must show dominance like the people you beat are mere children. Not to squeak out a win.
But to be clearly above them, and by far.
How can the probes be herald level, if DD and Superman treated them as if they had the durability and power of Spiderman and shocker??
Maybe they were herald level at first, but later showings prove false. Unless you feel Superman can do that to Orion or GL as well as probes?
They were impressive at first, but were quickly found to be inferior.
And you don't find it weird, that someone like Orion is not considered enough to match Superman on his own??
Even though their past history shows them to be relatively equal?? Orion, who has went toe to toe with Darkseid?? C'mon Avy!!
He wields the Astroforce, which has proven to be superior to Superman.
GLs who have held blackholes and supernovas?? Their average is b+ at least!
The only way i can legitly buy Superman thrashing the team shown in that scan is if he was Sundipped. Cuz on many occasions, those same people have shown they can survive him, and his betters. Except for MM. He's a jobber.
And how old is that comic anyway??
Do you deny that?
And Batdude.......You asked if someone punches with more force than a big bang?? Does Superman??
Since with two hits, or maybe one, which is worse he broke a Gls shields.
Two can play this game.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright Avy. I never said Surfer would win this fight. And if i did, i wasn't in my right mind. And wrong.
What i did say, was that all of them at their most uber, but no special powerup showings, is a stalemate.
Since Surfer would be intangible, no brute or energy attacks would hurt him.
Psy is their best bet, but to someone who resisted the mindgem, its iffy at best.Never did i say he stomps the team.
And i never said Surfer was capable of beating a team of herald level beings. And for the record, only Orion, Gl and Flash do i consider the herald level beings in that pic. Not WW. Or Aquaman if he was there.
My disbelief came in when you said Superman has proven to be on the level of Thanos or someone wielding the power gem. To be on that level of power, you must show dominance like the people you beat are mere children. Not to squeak out a win.
But to be clearly above them, and by far.How can the probes be herald level, if DD and Superman treated them as if they had the durability and power of Spiderman and shocker??
Maybe they were herald level at first, but later showings prove false. Unless you feel Superman can do that to Orion or GL as well as probes?
They were impressive at first, but were quickly found to be inferior.And you don't find it weird, that someone like Orion is not considered enough to match Superman on his own??
Even though their past history shows them to be relatively equal?? Orion, who has went toe to toe with Darkseid?? C'mon Avy!!
He wields the Astroforce, which has proven to be superior to Superman.GLs who have held blackholes and supernovas?? Their average is b+ at least!
The only way i can legitly buy Superman thrashing the team shown in that scan is if he was Sundipped. Cuz on many occasions, those same people have shown they can survive him, and his betters. Except for MM. He's a jobber.
And how old is that comic anyway??Do you deny that?
And Batdude.......You asked if someone punches with more force than a big bang?? Does Superman??
Since with two hits, or maybe one, which is worse he broke a Gls shields.
Two can play this game.
I glanced at this at work...so pardon me if I don't give you a whole response. There's some good stuff here...I'll respond when I have time.
Originally posted by olympian
"I'm laughing now because as usual you are wasting everyones time and have nothing to show for it except for some silly word play."Dont feel so bad about your faulty claims in order to make someone look better than it did. Spill it out, we all can help.
On the other hand, no wait. Continue. After this one of him owning four Black Adam level guys at the same time, i want more gold comedy.
There's a difference. I fully stand by what I said. You don't have proof as usual for anything right? Stop trying to divert that point.
So put up, or shut up.
Originally posted by batdude123
Completely agreed. Damn, I didn't realize how overrestimated Silver Surfer TRUELY was until this thread was made. 😐
He completely is. Now I have 1 guy crying about my online etiquette, and another one who never brings proof wasting our time and trying to divert proof as usual. Then again this guy was rooting for Hercules against Superman 😆
Though I don't usually see eye to eye with Uni, he's a good guy and always fun to debate with.
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Originally posted by UniOmni
And Batdude.......You asked if someone punches with more force than a big bang?? Does Superman??
Since with two hits, or maybe one, which is worse he broke a Gls shields.
Two can play this game.
Low end showing as far as I'm concerned. Either that or he wasn't completely braced for it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He completely is. Now I have 1 guy crying about my online etiquette, and another one who never brings proof wasting our time and trying to divert proof as usual. Then again this guy was rooting for Hercules against Superman 😆Though I don't usually see eye to eye with Uni, he's a good guy and always fun to debate with.
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[QUOTE=6789124]Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
"and another one who never brings proof wasting our time and trying to divert proof as usual. Then again this guy was rooting for Hercules against Superman"
Do you want to go over how many -close- matches Superman has won so far against his fellow top tiers? Because if you do, your a lost cause. Even more considering i never once claimed Herc would have reasonable chances against Superman unless its a close match.
As for this debate. Wow.
Just get the chip off your shoulder, and have the decency of aknowlege your wrong. Nobody has to bring proof when theres no stance to defend.
I would have if i had claimed Surfer has beat numerous guys on Thor level at the same time. I dont.
But guess what.
You claim Supes owned four guys in BA level alltogether with WW, and all at the same time. And used it as comparation measure in this debate. So i asked what i have yet to get the answer, because you dodge like a ballerina:
Where are the four BA level heroes, Supes owned in that figth?
Hold your breath. Your about to go "blah blah" again. We know Avalon, we know.