CW Dooku and CW Grievous vs Rots Obi-Wan and Rots Anakin

If Dooku can "defeat" General Grievous - and especially if Obi-Wan can - then Anakin sure as hell beats him. Don't feed me that crap, trying to downplay Anakin. According to you, Dooku can WTFpwn Grievous, but Anakin can't take him?

Don't feed me that bull. Dooku and Anakin are very close in skills and abilities with Anakin being the more powerful of the two. Kenobi may not win against CW Grievous - and that's when Anakin would go down.

But Anakin being unable to defeat Grievous? This is when your fanboyism disgusts me. Downplaying other characters so your favorite gets to shine? Don't do it.

Im serious. Kenobi bet him because his style is made to block. This is the only way he could cope with all the sabers coming at him. Dooku can beat him because he is the master and has taught GG. It has also been shown in the cartoon. However there is nothing to show that Anakin could beat GG.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Im serious. Kenobi bet him because his style is made to block. This is the only way he could cope with all the sabers coming at him. Dooku can beat him because he is the master and has taught GG. It has also been shown in the cartoon. However there is nothing to show that Anakin could beat GG.

Kenobi beat him fairly easily in a lightsaber duel. As would Mace, Anakin, or Yoda - who are all three superior to him in lightsaber abilities. Secondly, combined with Anakin's raw command over the Force and his own devastating lightsaber ability - he'd be able to own Grievous in a duel just as easily as Kenobi.

Like I said. If Dooku and Kenobi can beat Grievous, Anakin can sure as hell do it too.

No. Anakins syle isnt effective aganist Greivous like Dookus or Kenobis is.

Djem So is a natural counter to Grievous's styles, of course it's effective against him...and Anakin can just use the force

Obi-Wan managed to Force Push Grievous into a wall. Anakin would do the same.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Djem So is a natural counter to Grievous's styles

How? Can you please explain.

Obi-Wan did well against him because a) Greivous was not at his full potential because of Mace's force crush b) he has mastered Soresu, the defencive form. And Dooku can beat him because of his style and the fact that he is a master. It is also shown in the cartoon that Dooku can win. However I see nop evidence anywhere to show that Anakin can win. He doesnt have the skill or experience to block all 4 sabers. Also GG can just alter his stance to fight more effectively.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
How? Can you please explain.

Obi-Wan did well against him because a) Greivous was not at his full potential because of Mace's force crush b) he has mastered Soresu, the defencive form. And Dooku can beat him because of his style and the fact that he is a master. It is also shown in the cartoon that Dooku can win. However I see nop evidence anywhere to show that Anakin can win. He doesnt have the skill or experience to block all 4 sabers. Also GG can just alter his stance to fight more effectively.

A) You have no proof that Grievous was weakened in any way shape or form in Revenge of the Sith.

B) Anakin owned Dooku. Obi-Wan owned Grievous with a simple Force Push. What's to stop Anakin from using the Force Push?

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
A) You have no proof that Grievous was weakened in any way shape or form in Revenge of the Sith.

Dont talk shit. Greivous didnt fight nearly as well as he used to since he got force crushed by Mace. A physical example in the movies is his coughing. GG took on 5 jedi masters and won. I find it hard to beleive that he wouldnt be able to defeat Anakin as well.

B) Anakin owned Dooku. Obi-Wan owned Grievous with a simple Force Push. What's to stop Anakin from using the Force Push?

For starters Anakin didnt own Dooku. But that is hardly relevant to this argument. And Obi-Wans force push didnt win him the battle. In fact it did very little damage to Greivous. In the end Kenobi was disarmed and had to use a blaster to win. So Anakin using a force push means absolutley nothing. Just face it. Anakin doesnt have the skill to beat greivous.

Do we have any source except the CW which explains that Grievous was much better before? Cause the CW has a tendence to OVERPOWER characters....

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dont talk shit. Greivous didnt fight nearly as well as he used to since he got force crushed by Mace. A physical example in the movies is his coughing. GG took on 5 jedi masters and won. I find it hard to beleive that he wouldnt be able to defeat Anakin as well.

For starters Anakin didnt own Dooku. But that is hardly relevant to this argument. And Obi-Wans force push didnt win him the battle. In fact it did very little damage to Greivous. In the end Kenobi was disarmed and had to use a blaster to win. So Anakin using a force push means absolutley nothing. Just face it. Anakin doesnt have the skill to beat greivous.

Well first off Obi-Wan's Force Push managed to disarm Grievous of his lightsabers. Yeah that is a pointless move.

Second you have no idea what you are talking about. Grievous had all three elements Count Dooku told him he needed on his side. Those Jedi never heard or seen Grievous and just like that he crushed a Padawan with ease then he sneaks around a bit and separates them.

Dooku said "you need fear, surprise, and intemdation on your side if you are to beat the best of the Jedi for if any one of these should be lacking it would be best for you to run."

So what? Darth Vader had a breathing problem and that didn't change anything. General Grievous's cough could be called Darth Vader's breathing.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Well first off Obi-Wan's Force Push managed to disarm Grievous of his lightsabers. Yeah that is a pointless move.

Second you have no idea what you are talking about. Grievous had all three elements Count Dooku told him he needed on his side. Those Jedi never heard or seen Grievous and just like that he crushed a Padawan with ease then he sneaks around a bit and separates them.

Dooku said "you need fear, surprise, and intemdation on your side if you are to beat the best of the Jedi for if any one of these should be lacking it would be best for you to run."

So what? Darth Vader had a breathing problem and that didn't change anything. General Grievous's cough could be called Darth Vader's breathing.

Your missing the point. GG was nowhere near his full potential in ROTS. Not like in the CW where he was able to defeat 5 jedi masters. You said that he was able to sneak up and seperate them. That is fair enough but it doesnt change the fact he still won. And his coughing is showing you that something did happen before ROTS which had diminished his abilities. It is the same with Vaders breathing. It symbolises the fact he is mostly machine and nowhere near as good as he could have been because of it.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Your missing the point. GG was nowhere near his full potential in ROTS. Not like in the CW where he was able to defeat 5 jedi masters. You said that he was able to sneak up and seperate them. That is fair enough but it doesnt change the fact he still won. And his coughing is showing you that something did happen before ROTS which had diminished his abilities. It is the same with Vaders breathing. It symbolises the fact he is mostly machine and nowhere near as good as he could have been because of it.

Again Dooku said that Grievous CANNOT defeat Obi-Wan in a straight up fight.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Again Dooku said that Grievous CANNOT defeat Obi-Wan in a straight up fight.

When does he say this? In ROTS GG would have won had Kenobi not picked up that blaster. In CW GG is far stronger. Logically this would mean that in CW GG would beat Kenobi.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
When does he say this? In ROTS GG would have won had Kenobi not picked up that blaster. In CW GG is far stronger. Logically this would mean that in CW GG would beat Kenobi.

In LOE. And Grievous would have won if Kenobi didn't pick up that blaster because they were both without lightsabers and yet even unarmed Kenobi gave chased and Grievous with weapons fled.

Dooku says in LOE and CW that Grievous CANNOT defeat the best of the Jedi.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
In LOE. And Grievous would have won if Kenobi didn't pick up that blaster because they were both without lightsabers and yet even unarmed Kenobi gave chased and Grievous with weapons fled.

Dooku says in LOE and CW that Grievous CANNOT defeat the best of the Jedi.

Fair enough. Yet Dooku took on 5 jedi masters, who could easily be classed as the best of the jedi and won. He lost to Kenobi AFTER CW which throws that argument out the window and would beat Anakin as well because Anakin is not on the level of 5 jedi masters.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Fair enough. Yet Dooku took on 5 jedi masters, who could easily be classed as the best of the jedi and won. He lost to Kenobi AFTER CW which throws that argument out the window and would beat Anakin as well because Anakin is not on the level of 5 jedi masters.

Dooku took on 5 Jedi Masters? I guess you mean Grievous. And why don't you pay attention.

Dooku told Grievous in LOE and CW that in order to beat the best of the Jedi he would need surprise, fear, and intimidation for if any one of these elements are lacking it would be best for him to flee. When you are sacred you don't fight your best now do you.

And Obi-Wan and Anakin would be considered the top 5 Jedi of the PT era. Under Yoda and maybe Mace and that would be it.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
[B]Dooku took on 5 Jedi Masters? I guess you mean Grievous.

Whoops sorry. My mistake.

Dooku told Grievous in LOE and CW that in order to beat the best of the Jedi he would need surprise, fear, and intimidation for if any one of these elements are lacking it would be best for him to flee. When you are sacred you don't fight your best now do you.

True. But that would not be running because you would lose. It is more of a tactical retreat. There is nothing to say GG still wouldnt win. Look at the fight between Sids and Yoda. Sids tried running, but in the fight he still managed to beat yoda.

And Obi-Wan and Anakin would be considered the top 5 Jedi of the PT era. Under Yoda and maybe Mace and that would be it.

OK. But Kenobi barely managed to beat Greivous in ROTS. And in ROTS GG wasnt able to fight as good as he could in CW. And in this thread it is CW greivous. So this would mean that Greivous would win. And Anakin simply does not have the skill to best Greivous. He isnt as good as the 5 jedi masters GG was able to beat. And his saber style isnt effective against the 4 sabers coming at him like Kenobis is.

True. But that would not be running because you would lose. It is more of a tactical retreat. There is nothing to say GG still wouldnt win. Look at the fight between Sids and Yoda. Sids tried running, but in the fight he still managed to beat yod.

You can't compare those two fights. Palpatine and Yoda fought to a stand still but Yoda had no choice but to flee. Palpatine tried to flee because he knew that Yoda could defeat him.

Grievous fled because he knew he was beaten.

OK. But Kenobi barely managed to beat kenobi in ROTS. And in ROTS GG wasnt able to fight as good as he could in CW. And in this thread it is CW greivous. So this would mean that Greivous would win. And Anakin simply does not have the skill to best Greivous. He isnt as good as the 5 jedi masters GG was able to beat. And his saber style isnt effective against the 4 sabers coming at him like Kenobis is.

I guess you mean Obi-Wan barely defeated Grievous. Unarmed yes but in lightsaber combat he was WTFpwning Grievous. Then again Grievous is basically a droid so he had the edge in that combat since Obi-Wan was punching metal.

And Anakin would just use Force Push. Obi-Wan did it and because of that Grievous was unarmed.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
You can't compare those two fights. Palpatine and Yoda fought to a stand still but Yoda had no choice but to flee. Palpatine tried to flee because he knew that Yoda could defeat him.

Grievous fled because he knew he was beaten.

Greivous did not flee because he was beaten. Greivous: 'Back away'. 'I will deal with this jedi slime myself'. Yhis clearly shows that GG had every intention to fight and kill Obi-Wan.

Unarmed yes but in lightsaber combat he was WTFpwning Grievous. Then again Grievous is basically a droid so he had the edge in that combat since Obi-Wan was punching metal.

Why was Kenobi unarmed? Could it be that GG disarmed him?? Face it, if it wasnt for the blaster on the ground Kenobi would be dead.

And Anakin would just use Force Push. Obi-Wan did it and because of that Grievous was unarmed.

Once again force push hardly won Kenobi the fight.