CW Dooku and CW Grievous vs Rots Obi-Wan and Rots Anakin

Greivous did not flee because he was beaten. Greivous: 'Back away'. 'I will deal with this jedi slime myself'. Yhis clearly shows that GG had every intention to fight and kill Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan Force Pushed him and thus Grievous became unarmed. And so Grievous fled knowing he was defeated.

Why was Kenobi unarmed? Could it be that GG disarmed him?? Face it, if it wasnt for the blaster on the ground Kenobi would be dead.

Have you watched ROTS? Kenobi dropped it chasing the fleeing Grievous. And face it Grievous was the one that had the blaster and Obi-Wan managed to steal it.

Once again force push hardly won Kenobi the fight.

Once again it made Grievous unarmed and because of that he had to flee.

For the love of God, quit trying to downplay Anakin! Grievous could pwn almost anyone in the PT in a fistfight, but do you think that it's gonna happen?

Anakin Skywalker > Obi-Wan Kenobi in ability.
Anakin Skywalker = or > Count Dooku in lightsaber ability.

Add to the fact that Skywalker's raw power and connection of the Force is a step or two above these guys (and a long shot above Grievous's own), and that he - unlike Dooku and Obi-Wan - actually gets stronger as a fight progresses, you have an entity that General Grievous cannot beat.

Originally posted by Escape81
For the love of God, quit trying to downplay Anakin! Grievous could pwn almost anyone in the PT in a fistfight, but do you think that it's gonna happen?

Anakin Skywalker > Obi-Wan Kenobi in ability.
Anakin Skywalker = or > Count Dooku in lightsaber ability.

Add to the fact that Skywalker's raw power and connection of the Force is a step or two above these guys (and a long shot above Grievous's own), and that he - unlike Dooku and Obi-Wan - actually gets stronger as a fight progresses, you have an entity that General Grievous cannot beat.

Greivous wont tire in a fight like Dooku did. He is a robot for god sake!!!!. Anakin has not shown us anything that would prove he could block 4 sabers coming at him at once. And the fact that Anakin has the force also means little. All jedi have the force but that doesnt stop GG from killing them.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Greivous wont tire in a fight like Dooku did. He is a robot for god sake!!!!. Anakin has not shown us anything that would prove he could block 4 sabers coming at him at once. And the fact that Anakin has the force also means little. All jedi have the force but that doesnt stop GG from killing them.

You amaze me.

General Grievous may not tire. I never said he would. My point is that he won't get stronger - like Anakin does.

a) Obi-Wan managed to stop all of Grievous's lightsabers. Anakin, who is stronger and has a much better connection to the Force would be able to do the same.

b) Just because one (Anakin) specializes in offense, doesn't mean that he sucks in defense. Anakin's defense may not be exactly on Obi-Wan's level, but it was good enough that Count Dooku couldn't breach and that Obi-Wan himself couldn't.

c) No Jedi Knight (including Yoda or Mace) has the raw connection to the Force that Anakin does. This guy can collapse a fricken' building by screaming - which isn't anything I've ever seen Palpatine or Yoda (the most powerful Force-users in the PT) do. They have a superior mastery to the Force, meaning that they can perform significant maneuvers with more efficiency, less strain, and such. They know techniques Anakin does not - but - Grievous has a minimal connection to the Force.

So stop comparing two-bit Jedi to the likes of Skywalker or Kenobi.

Grievous can't take: Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, Mace, Dooku, or Obi-Wan - the six strongest Force users and duelist at the time of the PT.

Face it.

Originally posted by Escape81

a) Obi-Wan managed to stop all of Grievous's lightsabers. Anakin, who is stronger and has a much better connection to the Force would be able to do the same.

No. Kenobis style is built for defense and blocking. Anakins isnt. Therefore he isnt going to be able to block all the sabers coming at him. And once again the connection to the force isnt as important as you are making it out to be. GG wasnt defaeted because of the force.

b) Just because one (Anakin) specializes in offense, doesn't mean that he sucks in defense. Anakin's defense may not be exactly on Obi-Wan's level, but it was good enough that Count Dooku couldn't breach and that Obi-Wan himself couldn't.

Dooku was tiring and Anakin wasnt. This is why he couldnt get through Anakins defences. And Kenobis style isnt made to breach defences. The point is Anakin would not be able to stop all the lightsabers coming at him because that is not what his styleis made for.

c) No Jedi Knight (including Yoda or Mace) has the raw connection to the Force that Anakin does. This guy can collapse a fricken' building by screaming - which isn't anything I've ever seen Palpatine or Yoda (the most powerful Force-users in the PT) do. They have a superior mastery to the Force, meaning that they can perform significant maneuvers with more efficiency, less strain, and such. They know techniques Anakin does not - but - Grievous has a minimal connection to the Force.

So what? Ill say it again, the force is not the deciding factor in the battle. Obi-Wan had the force yet he still only won because he found a blaster.

So stop comparing two-bit Jedi to the likes of Skywalker or Kenobi.

What im saying is 5 jesi masters are better than either Skywalker or Kenobi. And GG managed to kill 5 jedi masters at once.

Grievous can't take: Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, Mace, Dooku, or Obi-Wan - the six strongest Force users and duelist at the time of the PT.

He would lose to everyone there except Anakin and Obi-Wan. Once again Kenobi bet GG in ROTS. In ROTS GG wasnt fighting his best. But this is CW GG so chances are Greicous will win this time. And Anakin simply cant block all 4 lightsabers.

No. Kenobis style is built for defense and blocking. Anakins isnt. Therefore he isnt going to be able to block all the sabers coming at him. And once again the connection to the force isnt as important as you are making it out to be. GG wasnt defaeted because of the force.

First off Obi-Wan knew Form IV and at the time of ROTS he knew Form III. Now Anakin knew Form V which Obi-Wan had no knowledge of so answer me this; why would a Jedi be teaching his Padawan a form he doesn't know about.

Dooku was tiring and Anakin wasnt. This is why he couldnt get through Anakins defences. And Kenobis style isnt made to breach defences. The point is Anakin would not be able to stop all the lightsabers coming at him because that is not what his styleis made for.

Mace's style isn't based on defense and Grievous couldn't defeat him.

So what? Ill say it again, the force is not the deciding factor in the battle. Obi-Wan had the force yet he still only won because he found a blaster.

Obi-Wan force pushed Grievous thus redening him unarmed. Grievous fled and Obi-Wan followed. During his chase he dropped his lightsaber. Grievous then grabbed two weapons: the electro-staff and blaster. Obi-Wan managed to knock the blaster from his hands. Grievous tried to kill Obi-Wan with the electro-staff but Obi-Wan grabbed the blaster and killed Grievous.

Grievous fled because he was a coward, he tried to use weapons against an unarmed Jedi, and because of that he was killed.

What im saying is 5 jesi masters are better than either Skywalker or Kenobi. And GG managed to kill 5 jedi masters at once.

Well considering Anakin took down three without struggling at all and Grievous faced difficultly

He would lose to everyone there except Anakin and Obi-Wan. Once again Kenobi bet GG in ROTS. In ROTS GG wasnt fighting his best. But this is CW GG so chances are Greicous will win this time. And Anakin simply cant block all 4 lightsabers.

You have no proof.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
First off Obi-Wan knew Form IV and at the time of ROTS he knew Form III. Now Anakin knew Form V which Obi-Wan had no knowledge of so answer me this; why would a Jedi be teaching his Padawan a form he doesn't know about.

I dont know. Maybe Cin Drallig or somebody taught it to him. The point is Anakin doesnt know Soresu, which is the reason why Kenobi was able to block all the sabers. Anakin would not be able to block them all without knowledge of Soresu, he would simply get overwhelmed.

Mace's style isn't based on defense and Grievous couldn't defeat him.

But Vapaad is a far more effective style than Anakins. And Mace is a better fight and has more skill than Anakin.

Obi-Wan force pushed Grievous thus redening him unarmed. Grievous fled and Obi-Wan followed. During his chase he dropped his lightsaber. Grievous then grabbed two weapons: the electro-staff and blaster. Obi-Wan managed to knock the blaster from his hands. Grievous tried to kill Obi-Wan with the electro-staff but Obi-Wan grabbed the blaster and killed Grievous.

Grievous fled because he was a coward, he tried to use weapons against an unarmed Jedi, and because of that he was killed.

The point is the force didnt win Kenobi the battle. Whats to say GG wouldnt just run away again if Anakin was fighting him?

Well considering Anakin took down three without struggling at all and Grievous faced difficultly

True. I agree that Anakin is better than most other jedi, but he could not single handedly go up against GG and win. His style is ineffective against all 4 sabers. He would need to learn Soresu or Makashi to be able to effectively fight Greivous.

I thought Anakin was described as one of the fastest jedi, at least the fastest jedi Durge had ever met, and that includes Obi-Wan. So speed is not a problem, the duel itself though.......

Anakin is fast, im not arguing that. But I doubt he is fast enough or skilled enough to block all 4 of Greivous's blades.

Meh that is debatable, but Obi could and Anakin was faster than Obi-Wan, but he was also more skilled in defence than Anakin. I think it depends on who goes on the offensive first, Anakin or Grievous. I don't think neither would hold out very well (at least not Grievous). But there is always a possibility Anakin ends it with the force...

But GG could block Anakin with one saber and use the other 3 to attack. Anakin doesnt have the some defensive abilities Kenobi has so will get killed.

Grievous defending with one saber will get him killed, he will need all he can get. And I didn't see Grievous doing that to Kenobi while they were in the saber lock, apparently he isn't that smart, as said before, he lacks sense of simplicity. And yet again, Anakin could simply use the force.

Originally posted by kamikz
Meh that is debatable, but Obi could and Anakin was faster than Obi-Wan, but he was also more skilled in defence than Anakin. I think it depends on who goes on the offensive first, Anakin or Grievous. I don't think neither would hold out very well (at least not Grievous). But there is always a possibility Anakin ends it with the force...

Palpatine knew Grievous' skills and knew all of his abilities. He also wanted Anakin to become his new apprentice and Palpatine wanted Anakin to fight Grievous because he knew that Anakin could and would have defeated the droid general.

Yup that's a point to. Anakin would defeat Grievous pretty much.

Originally posted by =X=
Palpatine knew Grievous' skills and knew all of his abilities. He also wanted Anakin to become his new apprentice and Palpatine wanted Anakin to fight Grievous because he knew that Anakin could and would have defeated the droid general.

Proof that Sids wanted Anakin to fight GG...

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Proof that Sids wanted Anakin to fight GG...

Proof. He said so in Revenge of the Sith when he elected Anakin to go face Grievous. He wanted Anakin, Palpatine didn't want Grievous. Grievous served his purpose. Palpatine was even disappointed when Anakin wasn't sent to fight Grievous.

Originally posted by =X=
Proof. He said so in Revenge of the Sith when he elected Anakin to go face Grievous. He wanted Anakin, Palpatine didn't want Grievous. Grievous served his purpose. Palpatine was even disappointed when Anakin wasn't sent to fight Grievous.

Hahahahaha. True. Maybe Anakin would win after all.....

Dig this here. We all know anakin and obi 1 would win.even if anakin fought general grievous. anakin is way too skilled. anakin would beat grievous faster than dooku wuld beat obi 1. as far as anakin and dooku, that is no question. when anakin really uses his potential he would destroy dooku with ease.

Originally posted by stone7
We all know anakin and obi 1 would win.even if anakin fought general grievous. anakin is way too skilled. anakin would beat grievous faster than dooku wuld beat obi 1.

No. Anakin would have the fight of his life if he went against Greivous. The match will certainly not be over in the time you expect it to be.

as far as anakin and dooku, that is no question. when anakin really uses his potential he would destroy dooku with ease.

Again no. Dooku is Anakins superior. In ROTS the scales were tipped largely in Anakins favor eg two against one. Anakin will lose after a long and gruelling battle to the Count.

Originally posted by kamikz
And I didn't see Grievous doing that to Kenobi while they were in the saber lock