How clumsy you all are! Anakin just beat Dooku in pure saber combat! That doesn't mean he out dueled him, duh!
Seriously, Anakin>Dooku. All you're saying is that if Anakin had the strength of an 8 year old girl, he couldn't have won. His strength is part of him. If Dooku had arms the size of Yoda's he would have lost to Anakin or Obi Wan in AOTC. What now?! What now?!
Originally posted by Generic Hero
And Anakin has little to do with RotJ Luke.
He's brought up the argument about Anakin to try to help him in the argument about Luke. I've even said that the "Dooku's Skills" thread is the only relevent one. But Vious is assuming his opinion is superior to all others.
Understand?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
We've seen Vader do much more agile feats.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Screw your "Movies only" Bull when you don't even stick to this.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
This is an EU forums and the damn rules state EU can be used.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Proof time in the desert effected Obi-wan? He looked damn healthy
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Gendy himself said they exagerrated Jedi abilities on CW commentaries, try again.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except Lucas did intend Luke to be a swordsman.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's why he's beating Vader
Originally posted by jollyjim311
How clumsy you all are! Anakin just beat Dooku in pure saber combat! That doesn't mean he out dueled him, duh!
Seriously, Anakin>Dooku. All you're saying is that if Anakin had the strength of an 8 year old girl, he couldn't have won. His strength is part of him. If Dooku had arms the size of Yoda's he would have lost to Anakin or Obi Wan in AOTC. What now?! What now?!
I agree with most if it, except about Yoda. Yoda actually pushed back every saber lock he got involved in with Dooku - and with Sidious, I think.
But that's because Yoda used the Force to help him.
*Looks at forum rules* EU goes. Deal with it, or shut up.
EU is C-canon, close enough. You have nothing but your opinion when every piece of evidence goes against you.
Obi-wan looked healthier than Dooku...mainly as Sir Alec was a lot younger than Chris at the time of filming.
Luke is identified as a master swordsman in Lucas collaborated material (Novelizations) and Lucas had him beat Vader. Who was trying. As if he didn't try he'd be dead from Luke's attack. Notice Vader actually SWINGS AT LUKE'S HEAD at one point?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where've you disproved LFL's big canon policy exactly? The one they've had for years? The policy>Your opinion, get over it.
Originally posted by Escape81
He's brought up the argument about Anakin to try to help him in the argument about Luke. I've even said that the "Dooku's Skills" thread is the only relevent one. But Vious is assuming his opinion is superior to all others.Understand?
LS, I fail to see how making someone off balance and driving them back shows superior swordsmanship. Hell, my little brother can do that to someone, his he a badass swordsman? No. It was an old man against a strong, young Jedi, master duelist or no, when your opponent gets to strengthswinging, age comes into play.
And everyone apparently assumes that this has to be a saber duel. Dooku electrocutes Luke. Or picks him up with the Force and throws him over a cliff.
Saber skills: Dooku is a master duelist, Luke's been using a saber for four years, Dooku > Luke
Force skills: Dooku can use Force lightning, Luke cannot block it long enough to survive against it. Dooku > Luke.
Dooku's fought stronger people than Anakin and walked all over them...funny how you cling to this "Oh, he's only an old man!" Shit when Dooku takes a loss.
And Luke's capable of resisting telekenisis and resisting lightning, thanks.
Fact: Luke is also a master duelist, ROTJ novelization says he is.
And no, Vious...saying there's 'a deleted scene' doesn't change the canon policy. It just means a scene was cut and thus does not factor, putting it in the canon policy as S or N....as DEFINED BY THE CANON POLICY ITSELF
Originally posted by Lightsnake
*Looks at forum rules* EU goes. Deal with it, or shut up.EU is C-canon, close enough. You have nothing but your opinion when every piece of evidence goes against you.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Obi-wan looked healthier than Dooku
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Luke is identified as a master swordsman in Lucas collaborated material (Novelizations) and Lucas had him beat Vader. Who was trying. As if he didn't try he'd be dead from Luke's attack. Notice Vader actually SWINGS AT LUKE'S HEAD at one point?
Originally posted by Darin Saine
LS, I fail to see how making someone off balance and driving them back shows superior swordsmanship. Hell, my little brother can do that to someone, his he a badass swordsman? No. It was an old man against a strong, young Jedi, master duelist or no, when your opponent gets to strengthswinging, age comes into play.And everyone apparently assumes that this has to be a saber duel. Dooku electrocutes Luke. Or picks him up with the Force and throws him over a cliff.
Saber skills: Dooku is a master duelist, Luke's been using a saber for four years, Dooku > Luke
Force skills: Dooku can use Force lightning, Luke cannot block it long enough to survive against it. Dooku > Luke.
Respond to my post to you, please.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Luke's capable of resisting telekenisis and resisting lightning, thanks.
Oh, so I just imagined it when he got his ass electrocuted by Palpatine in ROTJ. And where has he resisted telekinesis? Please remember the thread title is ROTJ Luke vs. Dooku, so please keep any bullshit references to Return of the Jedi, not DE, EU or whatever the hell else you've been pulling out of your ass.
EDIT: Escape, quote it for me please, I must've missed it.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And no, Vious...saying there's 'a deleted scene' doesn't change the canon policy. It just means a scene was cut and thus does not factor, putting it in the canon policy as S or N....as DEFINED BY THE CANON POLICY ITSELF
Contradictions from canon besides your delusions? Nothing. Sorry, EU is c-canon, it goes and can be used in this argument as defined by forum rules, shut up, thanks.
Oh, gives me a break. Have you SEEN Chris lately? He's in his damn eighties. alec looked much healthier then than Chris does now.
Except Lucas said nothing of the sort, your'e assuming that. And aren't Lucas's interpretations worthless next to actual written canon? Hm, sorry.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Contradictions from canon besides your delusions? Nothing. Sorry, EU is c-canon, it goes and can be used in this argument as defined by forum rules, shut up, thanks.Oh, gives me a break. Have you SEEN Chris lately? He's in his damn eighties. alec looked much healthier then than Chris does now.
Except Lucas said nothing of the sort, your'e assuming that. And aren't Lucas's interpretations worthless next to actual written canon? Hm, sorry.
Originally posted by Darth Vious
EU might 'go', but it still does not overrule Canon. Deal with that or shut up. I have evidence from the movies, you don't even have that!Bullshit!
Obi-Wan said to Luke that he was getting 'too old for this sort of thing', and at that point, he was at least 20 years younger than Dooku had been in AotC, and he was by no means 'too old' to beat Anakin and Obi-Wan. That is movie evidence, not opinion.And novelizations do not overrule the movie, particularly if they contradict the movie. Lucas' own words on documentaries have said that Luke was not as skilled a swordsman as Jedi in the PT or, in his own words "in their full flower".
Yes, Lucas did say that, it was on a Sky One Documentary called Feeling the Force.