Phoenix Force vs a Multiversal Power......Phoenix get's Crushed!

Started by Mr Master35 pages

Originally posted by Skeets
I was reading a bit of his "non-stop hater Rant" and he misinterpreted more then half of the scans he was posting I couldn't take him seriously anymore........😆

You're pretty popular to have people think of ways to make Phoenix look bad.

Yo...you should hop of the Dills...

You don't even know what's going on...

The only scans that I posted that were retconned were the Infinity Being and Galactus's origin...ofcourse NOT on Panel...but in a BIO.

So what are you talking that sh*t for?

Half my scans...you got balls coming out of nowhere with that bullsh*t.

Add something to the debate or get lost.

What misinterpretations?

It's your boss that LIEs up and down this forum.

He tried that at CBR forums and was BANNED for it...the difference over here at KMC is that they let that fallacy slide...but not over there.

Don't tell me...the CBR Forum moderators have it in for GS...or Phoenix Rising as he calls himself over there.

Don't believe me go peep for youself.

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ead.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ad.php?t=114595

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude what's the point of continuing this charade..

What is this Bugs and Elmer? No, yes, No, Yes...give me a break.

That guy is just going to keep on pumping his fallacy..no matter what proof you bring against him...it's done...I proved what I had to and so did WhiteWitchKing.

And he's a LIAR in the absolute sense...I have NO respect for that guy.

Kiss his ass all you want...
but other forums that do NOT allow that nonsense have banned him already...he tried that at CBR forum and not only got shut down with knowledge...but also was banned for LYING! and for twisting the interpretation of on panel art to suit Phoenix.

Your innocent to this ofcourse...so I don't blame your sheepist ways...maybe this aughta enlighten you.

Here he is as always LYING...

Really?

He's known as Phoenix Rising at this forum:

By his first post...you'l know it's him.
That phony!

These cats over at CBR...tore a new ******* in him.

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ead.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ad.php?t=114595

Listen man your cool and you brought a ton of evidence into this but GS isn't and has never been wrong on this matter. This is why I've never really tried to argue against the phoenix on here even though I don't think that in reality the Phoenix is the Powerhouse GS has it to be.

Why because I've already gone over this on panel evidence does exist for everyone of GS's claims and therefore you can not argue what he is saying. The same goes for you as well. You quoted me once on it listen in Marvel X-Men writers get to write what they want and weaken and power up as many characters as they want. The Phoenix is the biggest example of this. In X-Men writing the Phoenix is everything GS claims it to be and therefore is not making fabrications on this matter.

Even if it was there is no excuse for some of the language you used and the general attitude of your post. That is not how we operate around here and is not accepted in the context you are using and I will politely ask you to refrain from doing it anymore.

Originally posted by newjak86
Listen man your cool and you brought a ton of evidence into this but GS isn't and has never been wrong on this matter.

thanx...

And he's a LIAR!

This is why he was BANNED from CBR Forums:

And he used "that kind of language first" by the way...maybe you'd like asking him to refrain from such aswell.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats what im saying!! His interpretation of the majority of the scans HE posted as evidence was f*cked up!

PS.
Mind your mug if you don't know what's going on...

Go see how "right he is"...at CBR forums where he was BANNED for LYING and for Twisting Facts in a futile pursuit to enhance Phoenix's status in power.....

Originally posted by newjak86
Listen man your cool and you brought a ton of evidence into this but GS isn't and has never been wrong on this matter.

thanx...

And he's a LIAR!

This is why he was BANNED from CBR Forums:

And he used "that kind of language first" by the way...maybe you'd like asking him to refrain from such aswell.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats what im saying!! His interpretation of the majority of the scans HE posted as evidence was f*cked up!

PS.
Mind your mug if you don't know what's going on...if not...get lost.

Go see how "right he is"...at CBR forums where he was BANNEd for LYING and for twisting facts in a futile pursuit to enhance Phoenix's power....
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969&pp=15&highlight=Phoenix

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114595

That dude is a JOKE......at more serious forums.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude what's the point of continuing this charade..

What is this Bugs and Elmer? No, yes, No, Yes...give me a break.

That guy is just going to keep on pumping his fallacy..no matter what proof you bring against him...it's done...I proved what I had to and so did WhiteWitchKing.

And he's a LIAR in the absolute sense...I have NO respect for that guy.

Kiss his ass all you want...

😆

bdee-bdee, what's up, doc?

you took my little joke and interpretted it to mean i agree with everything gs says? and you wonder why someone jumped on you earlier about your interpretation skills? dude, you really need to lighten up . . . why does it matter so much to you what people choose to believe or not? why does it matter to you that people 'see through his lies'? i truly don't understand the point. you're obviously a smart enough guy. you made your point, he made his. what exactly is wrong with saying -- 'we'll agree to disagree' and move on? hell, anyone who seems to support his ideas you jump all over for being biased or not knowing anything. NOT cool . . .

but other forums that do NOT allow that nonsense have banned him already...he tried that at CBR forum and not only got shut down with knowledge...but also was banned for LYING! and for twisting the interpretation of on panel art to suit Phoenix.

maybe they take themselves a little too seriously as well . . .? see, 'round here, if people don't like what he says, they don't read it. EVERYONE knows gs. people agree with him, don't agree or simply don't know and ignore him. if people genuinely want to find out the truth, the books are out there for them to read. why take it upon yourself to be this 'beacon of truth'? you were all over him for his arrogance, but your stance of 'truth bringer' is in its own way as arrogant as anything gs does. and my 'liking' of gs has nothing to do with his ideas -- when i first came to the forum we had a big, long debate NOT on phoenix. thanos v onslaught, actually. and it was a good, civil debate, good ideas and we just decided to let it be. he's been kind enough to send me some things over the internet so sure, gs is cool in my book. but i'm pretty sure he knows that doesn't mean i agree with everything he says . . .

Your innocent to this ofcourse...so I don't blame your sheepist ways

baaaaa, baaaaa . . .

🙄 and you call gs arrogant . . . criminy . . .

...maybe this aughta enlighten you.

Here he is as always LYING...

Really?

He's known as Phoenix Rising at this forum:

By his first post...you'l know it's him.
That phony!

These cats over at CBR...tore a new ******* in him.

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ead.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ad.php?t=114595 [/B]

if it's him, WHO CARES! like i'd ever bother reporting some guy to a mod over something like that. report him why? because i don't agree with his interpretations? because he sees things differently from me? even if he IS 'lying' about one thing or another -- WHO CARES??! i like to think i'm smart enough and know enough about comics to usually know what is or isn't truthful. if i occasionally buy into an untruth, so be it. i could always buy the book to find out for sure, but generally, it doesn't come back to bite me very often . . .

now, in my book, the people who need to be banned are the inflexible, arrogant people who insult and refuse to see the possibility that they MAY be wrong, or that no matter how hard they try they will not convince everyone to see things their way. those kinds of people can't see that stories and art are open to interpretation, and that someone may not be 'lying' but rather ACTUALLY preceiving things that way. and those people are just too damn egocentric to understand this, too damn prideful to peacefully walk away, too damn arrogant to be tolerant. and just too damn clueless to realize it's a COMICBOOK forum.

Originally posted by Mr Master
thanx...

And he's a LIAR!

This is why he was BANNED from CBR Forums:

And he used "that kind of language first" by the way...maybe you'd like asking him to refrain from such aswell.

PS.
Mind your mug if you don't know what's going on...

Go see how "right he is"...at CBR forums where he was BANNED for LYING and for Twisting Facts in a futile pursuit to enhance Phoenix's status in power.....

thanx...

And he's a LIAR!

This is why he was BANNED from CBR Forums:

And he used "that kind of language first" by the way...maybe you'd like asking him to refrain from such aswell.

PS.
Mind your mug if you don't know what's going on...if not...get lost.

Go see how "right he is"...at CBR forums where he was BANNEd for LYING and for twisting facts in a futile pursuit to enhance Phoenix's power....
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969&pp=15&highlight=Phoenix

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114595

That dude is a JOKE......at more serious forums.

And I will say that he needs to refrain from doing the same as well as there is no right or wrong answer here

So he got banned on CBR forums this is KMC and I for one know that GS isn't lying that the evidence is there to support so just a reminder instead of saying someone is a liar remember that in a ton of cosmic scale debates most things are simple interpretations unless concrete proof exists which in this case it doesn't it mostly tieing together loose scans from different authors some of whom have more creative freedom

Dude...it's funny that now your mr. wise...but I a few posts ago your saying

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, after such a promising beginning, i don't think this thread turned out at all like mm was thinking it would

I did let it go...then He had posted an entire page of gibberish...making me sound like I'm some idiot Phoenix hater...who doesn't know what their talking aout.

Well he wants to post that personal offense but I have to respect his opinion and interpretation because..."WHO CARES"...I think NOT...

That dude is going to be exposed for his LIES...because he carries himself as though everyone else is beneath him...when in fact he's just a LIAR.

And I CARE...Because I HATE LIARS!

Then you got skeets over here saying that half my scans where misinterpreted by me....except for the TWO I mentioned...WELL THEN PROVE IT...not you him...or more probably a her.

Working links:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969&pp=15&highlight=Phoenix

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114595

Originally posted by newjak86
So he got banned on CBR forums this is KMC and I for one know that GS isn't lying that the evidence is there to support so just a reminder instead of saying someone is a liar

Dude if your not going to check out the link...don't tell me you KNOW he's not LYING...

When I know from first hand experience...that this guy is a PHONY...and a LIAR!

He lied up and down this thread and many other threads and got himself BANNED for doing it at another forum...

You like him and don't like that truth out in the open..too bad.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969&pp=15&highlight=Phoenix

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114595

He goes by the name Phoenix Rising

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude if your not going to check out the link...don't tell me you KNOW he's not LYING...

When I know from first hand experience...that this guy is a PHONY...and a LIAR!

He lied up and down this thread and many other threads and got himself BANNED for doing it at another forum...

You like him and don't like that truth out in the open..too bad.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969&pp=15&highlight=Phoenix

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=114595

He goes by the name Phoenix Rising

Correction I have seen it and there is nothing new there except that the people there seemed a little less willing to except that GS could be right and kept using the loose fitting evidence you are and trying dispel the same argument nothing new in it at all. The only thing it shows me is that that board may be a little more closed minded but I don't talk to any of them so I can't make a true judgement.

The point still stands though that everything you have said is true but everything GS has said is true. there is no way to discredit the other and anyone trying to is simply taking scans from different sources and trying to connect them when many can be pointed out to mean something different and some simply can't be put together because the parameters are different people in writing the X-Men are given more freedom to write outside of continuity then everyone else and therefore has created this little paradox in Marvel. Until it is GS is right in her ideas on the Phoenix because there is on panel proof and everything you say is trus because tehre is on panel proof to support.

Leave it alone and let it drop you can not dissprove anything I've been trying to be nice to everyone on here give this up everything you say isn't true on the matter and sometimes one has to step back and look at a the situation a little different I think that is what GS and YOU!!!! have to do right now 😉

How do we even know 100% that Phoenix Rising is GS? 😕

Originally posted by newjak86
Leave it alone and let it drop you can not dissprove anything I've been trying to be nice to everyone on here give this up everything you say isn't true on the matter and sometimes one has to step back and look at a the situation a little different I think that is what GS and YOU!!!! have to do right now 😉

It's been dropped...

I don't care anymore.

peace...to all.

Originally posted by Mr.V
How do we even know 100% that Phoenix Rising is GS? 😕

Go read and find out.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's been dropped...

I don't care anymore.

peace...to all.

Now don't be that way.
I will point out somethings you did really well on here.
You brought up some great points tied some things together and even when GS came on held your own and brought evidence. You did a great job and don't let something like this get you down I can see you being a great memeber on KMC for awhile.

It just so happens that on a topic like this there aren't any winners or truths just a bunch of what ifs possibilities that can not be resolved until the company itself decides to resolve.

Keep up the good work man

Originally posted by newjak86
It just so happens that on a topic like this there aren't any winners or truths just a bunch of what ifs possibilities that can not be resolved until the company itself decides to resolve.

Keep up the good work man

You got a point there.

I wasn't going to jump off the bridge....lol

But I will not attempt to argue against or on behalf of the PF anymore.

Her continuity disaster makes it impossible to debate her accurately.

But for the Record I see the hierarchy like this.

1. TOAA
😮bviously:
Pre-retcon Beyonder(he can do anything)
pre-retcon Molecule Man(he can also do anything)

2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...

3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)

4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:

5. Ultimate Nullifier
😮bliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.

6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:

7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.

8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death

9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You got a point there.

I wasn't going to jump off the bridge....lol

But I will not attempt to argue against or on behalf of the PF anymore.

Her continuity disaster makes it impossible to debate her accurately.

But for the Record I see the hierarchy like this.

1. TOAA
😮bviously:
Pre-retcon Beyonder(he can do anything)
pre-retcon Molecule Man(he can also do anything)

2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...

3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)

4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:

5. Ultimate Nullifier
😮bliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.

6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:

7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.

8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death

9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.

Never thought you would jump off the bridge.

And your list isn't bad

newjak, ur sig is so awesome! 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yo...you should hop of the Dills...

You don't even know what's going on...

The only scans that I posted that were retconned were the Infinity Being and Galactus's origin...ofcourse NOT on Panel...but in a BIO.

So what are you talking that sh*t for?

Half my scans...you got balls coming out of nowhere with that bullsh*t.

Add something to the debate or get lost.

What misinterpretations?

It's your boss that LIEs up and down this forum.

He tried that at CBR forums and was BANNED for it...the difference over here at KMC is that they let that fallacy slide...but not over there.

Don't tell me...the CBR Forum moderators have it in for GS...or Phoenix Rising as he calls himself over there.

Don't believe me go peep for youself.

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ead.php?t=46969

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...ad.php?t=114595


"Hop of the Dills" your in no position to tell anyone that if you know what I mean.... 🙄

There's quite a few scans you have misinterpreted and you twisted to your liking such as GS has done in the past.

I give you props for shedding some light on the subject👆 And it seems like you think I have taken sides which I haven't I think GS is full of shit sometimes aswell.

I just thought the thread was kinda tasteless as it was revolving around calling GS a liar and taking a stab at his status on the forum.

There's many members who aren't taken in by GS's essays some like Leo,illadelph and Whirly(miss him.🙁) who question his theories all the time.

Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
newjak, ur sig is so awesome! 😄
Thanks it has been awhile sine I've seen you on here

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]So Galactus isn’t considered living? That’s news to me and im sure just about every other seasoned comic reader around here. As outlined on panel and in their bios the abstracts came into existence after the universe was formed. They came about after the creation event and went on to embody universal concepts. They are of creation and therefore Phoenix being the power that ignites the creation cycle is responsible however indirectly for their creation. Your point about the machines is redundant as they’d still be made from matter derived from the Big Bang sonny.

Stop with the bullshitting G.S. That very scan said that Galactus would live in the void. If he dies it will be because there will be no life and he'll die of hunger. That scan even says he'll live "for eternity" in the endless void.


At the end of the day of course the Phoenix is a part of the cycle. She starts it off, she maintains it and her power under the natural scheme of things helps bring it to and end. You keep emphasizing her participation as if it somehow demeans my argument and strengthens yours. Sorry mate but not in the slightest. Yes Phoenix has a role to play in the cycle but at the same time there is more to her than just a universe. The abstracts embody universal concepts. Destroy a universe and by most accounts you’ll be told that’s the end of the abstracts. The same doesn’t hold true for Phoenix as it also simultaneously exists beyond reality. A void is the absence of life, of energy of matter. A void is what Thanos created in Marvel The End:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18716012965.jpg&s=f10

More bullshit. You're telling me that sparking the big bang, resurrection, and destruction are not concepts? 😂

Beyond reality? Roma is also beyond reality it doesn't make her more powerful that the abstracts.


Without the Phoenix Force involved with the physical plane there would be nothing. You have to take into consideration also the time this was written. Now that in recent years Galactus’ origin has been tied to the Phoenix Force on panel and in their bios, now that its been actually stated that he was transformed by the Phoenixes power I think it’s a safe bet to say that if it was written nowadays that Phoenix cut all ties with the physical plane then Galactus would die.

Now the PF is taking Eternity's job as well. 😱


As for Eternity not existing. You need to take into consideration that he is not literally the universe, he is its sentience a representation of its totality. As stated Eternity was formed AFTER the universe was created.Just to highlight this in Marvel The End, Thanos absorbed Infinity and Eternity, he then went on to absorb the stars and planets before everything became a void.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18716391155.jpg&s=f10

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18716012965.jpg&s=f10

The Phoenix Force however is the life force the very substance which makes and powers creation.

Now your just crazy. The Phoenix was also formed from the big bang as well.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Stop with the bullshitting G.S. That very scan said that Galactus would live in the void. If he dies it will be because there will be no life and he'll die of hunger. That scan even says he'll live "for eternity" in the endless void.

More bullshit. You're telling me that sparking the big bang, resurrection, and destruction are not concepts? 😂

Beyond reality? Roma is also beyond reality it doesn't make her more powerful that the abstracts.

Now the PF is taking Eternity's job as well. 😱

Now your just crazy. The Phoenix was also formed from the big bang as well.

Did you not read the above posts I posted this is not the way to talk to another member and that no one is going to win this debate. Just let it go WWK nothing good will come from this

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reality is outlined as her handiwork, she starts the cycle (as the Big Bang) she sustains reality with her energies, her avatars help the cycle along and her involvement steers the cycle towards its end. The Phoenix has been shown holding universes in her hand and casually amputating entire future timelines, of course the Phoenix is more important than any of the abstracts who are merely of the cycle.

She fixed it. Five cubes created another 616, an even one. Fixing a universe is not creating it.


As stated by the handbook creators the bios are just guidelines to continuity, they can get things wrong, As for the point about the IG ive asked the handbook writers for an issue reference where the IGs power source was mostly recently revealed and as soon as I get a reply, believe me you will be updated. I chose to accept the handbooks comments because as seen in the Avengers/Ultraforce crossovers the Infinity Being was retconned from a god responsible for the creation of 616 to just a powerful entity of 616 who had the power to control matter on a universal scale. This retcon, along with the slew of titles in recent years attributing the Big Bang to Phoenix set precedence for the handbooks comments.

Now your using a crossover? 😆 And trying to say that it counts as a retcon. The interesting thing is that the Infinity Gems awoke a mothership that drew the Phoenix Force in the Ultraverse, drained it's power to the point it was weaken. IG > PF. 😮‍💨


And yet you’ve seen scans saying the abstracts came into being after the universe was created, scans showing Phoenix is responsible for the Big Bang of many realities, scans referring to reality as her handiwork and you’ve seen scans which show her holding 616 in the palm of her hand proclaiming the fixing of broken universes to be “Phoenix work” and yet not only do you deny she has anything to do with more than one universe but you fallaciously refuse to believe she’s greater than the abstracts.

WFT? It was hard to understand nonsense before but this is just garbage. Where does it say that she's greater than Eternity or that she's responsible for the MU? Again, 5 cubes CREATED it's own 616 universe. All you have is PF fixing a universe.


If it states that the Phoenix is the power that spawns the cosmos, that she initiates the cycle of universes and that the abstracts come into being upon the formation of a universe, then regardless of how indirectly her power is without a doubt that which spawned the abstracts. There are scans which show there to be a Central Phoenix Consciousness which directs Phoenixes in the fixing of broken universes and there are scans which show the Phoenix power being credited for birthing a number of alternate realities. I have shown all of these. Make of them what you will but what cannot be credibly argued against is that as per current continuity the Phoenix is the power that ignites creation in the Big Bang and it as a power is not limited to the universal.

Please don't force your fanboy take on this subject to me. There's a lot of speculation but nothing yet proven.


For the White Crown Phoenix to be able to hold a universe in the palm of her hand it stands to reason that she is beyond any being or force of universal level. You may not agree that the Phoenix is the power that spawned the realities of the multiverse and that is your entitlement, however I have shown numerous recent scans from multiple titles depicting Phoenixes initiating many realities across the multiverse and scans showing a central Phoenix Consciousness.

Your scans are full of holes where you want us to draw lines and circles leading to you deluded take on the MU.