Originally posted by Soleran
So right inbetween Cable will go, if you want to show a high for MM then it needs to be constant silly laddy!So if the situation was such Cable had been given 5 minutes of prep Superman would go down, to bad no one makes freakin marvel threads with that in mind with DC speedsters lol.
for you again!
Originally posted by Soleran
So right inbetween Cable will go, if you want to show a high for MM then it needs to be constant silly laddy!So if the situation was such Cable had been given 5 minutes of prep Superman would go down, to bad no one makes freakin marvel threads with that in mind with DC speedsters lol.
Well, the story called for that situation. I can understand that. However, it's still a pretty low showing for Supes.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewindbecause thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
I don't hear you making comments when clinging to Thanos. In your mind, it's ok for Thanos to be invincible, yet it's wrong for Supes?
Originally posted by TheKahn
You love to avoid answering direct questions don't you? Cable has existed for well over 10 years and you're basing your entire argument around one single fight. I, and others, have asked you to provide actual on panel proof that Cable's eye can spot things moving at the speed of light because, as much as you like to delude yourself, an objective analysis of the Lightmaster fight reveals that it doesn't prove any of what you claim it does. I'd even settle for another character commenting on these claimed abilities. But apparently you can't find any other evidence of their existence.
Okay, I showed scans of two fights where Cable spotted characters moving at superspeeds.
1) Was the Lightmaster, where on his return he was moving at light speed.
2) Was where Surfer was speedblitzing him also. Now he might not have been moving at the speed of sound, but Cable knew it was him before he was there.
Now I know it didn't say "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but its clearly what he did there.
The reason for light master is because his thoughts were moving at light speed, so he couldn't get a fix which they state.
They did say that he was going to be coming back at the speed of light and they did the math.
Cable then spotted him on his return with his eye because he was able to react.
Now remember he couldn't have reacted to him because of his telepathy so how then was he able to react?
Its because he can spot things at superspeeds with his cyber eye.
It was stated in a comic, but i forget, I have hundreds of his appearances so it'll take me a few days to find the exact one.
Even though I showed him being able to react to someone doing a light speed speedblitz.
Now you're saying I'm avoiding things, when I haven't....
You say I haven't shown on panle proof of them actually saying "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but you haven't shown them SAYING Superman is moving at the speed of light.
All you showed was the DS fight and caluations of how he might be moving faster then the speed of light.
Thats not proof according to your lodgic....
Originally posted by TheKahn
It should be a clue when no one else on KMC is actually agreeing with you...
What?
Three people...😂
Originally posted by TheKahn
Just how fast do you think Superman's thoughts will be moving when Superman is flying around at light speed???
He has to give it time to adjust, like his perceptions.
Anyway its not been said he can't lock on to someone moving at light speed, its just harder.
Can you prove he thinks at light speed?
Originally posted by TheKahn
And neither do you. I take it this means that you were just talking out of your ass again and can't find a scan stating Cable is an omega-level mutant...
I know, I know you won't read in to it.
You need it to actually state it.....but when you show scans that don't actually state things you want the other to assume that thats what went down.😂
Originally posted by batdude123
You still haven't proved jack here. Superman moves WAY faster than the speed of light. You're bringing up a pretty much mute point here, however I'll bite. LM was not attacking him at the speed of light. Cable has the brain reactions of a normal human. Yes he has TP and TK, however the reactions are the same. If he WAS actually blitzing him at the speed of light (which he wasn't), then it's PIS. Plain and simple. There's actually no reason why Cable can perceive things going at the speed of light. Superman has also gone so fast before that he created a boom tube in the time dimension and he instantly time travelled. That's quite an impressive feat considering Superman isn't tied to the speed force whatsoever. To give you an idea of exactly how fast that is, Kyle Rayner went from one end of the universe to the other in under a day. Pretty fast, no??? However, when he did this he didn't create a boom tube in the time dimension. So, we can safely assume that Superman was going much faster. Cable doesn't have the reaction speeds, bottom line. Show me Cable reacting to something even CLOSE to that fast please.Really?? Well I'm inclined to disagree with you here. It goes against the majority of their showings. It doesn't really matter who exactly the writer is, it can still be PIS if it goes against the majority of the character's feats. 😉 You said yourself that the guy is an expert on Flash, that doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about Superman however. Also, Flash not moving past the speed of light is freakin rediculous. Seriously, he has been shown to move HUNDREDS of times the speed of light. You saying that Flash shouldn't be able to move passed light speed only shows your lack of knowledge. Btw, I like how you are leaving out a bunch of what I said to you when you rebuttal. 😆 Don't think I don't notice it. You are fighting a losing battle here junior. 😉 Supes for the win 10/10.
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Originally posted by batdude123
This is actually quite humorous. There is absolutely no way that Cable could even perceive Superman going at those speeds. Cable is a person with human physiology and a person can only think at 30 meters a second. Superman's speed>>>>>>>>>Cable's thinking speed. Cable lacks the necessary requirements to beat Superman. Storm Shadow, all you're "feats" that you are giving us doesn't in anyway prove that he can fight things going at the speed of light, in fact Kahn disproved them all. You are basically fighting a losing battle here.Superman also goes way faster than the speed of light. WAY faster. In fact, where he took Darkseid the sun in a couple of seconds, was rougly 240X the speed of light. If you can actually prove Cable being able to react at that kind of speed, I give up. Until then, Cable has no real substantial chance of winning. You are being extremely biased here. Just because you are a Cable fan doesn't mean you can't accept when he can lose. It doesn't make you any less of a fan.
I haven't even gone into great depth about Superman's T-Vo either. At the very least, Superman's T-Vo is about as effective as Cable's TP. Superman already confused Dominus with his T-Vo, and he casted illusions all over the place. He was toying with Dominus' mind. Dominus is also damn near SKYFATHER level. Please, this is absolutely rediculous to even think that Cable can beat Superman. That's like saying a normal human can beat Supes. I know obviously Cable is MUCH more powerful than a human (duh), but the basic outcome of the fight would be the same. All of Cable's powers are mindbased. When you have a character that can go faster than the speed of thought, not to mention the speed of light, it's not looking very good for the other person.
Cable is good, but he's definitely not this good. Superman has defeated much stronger opponents than Cable before. There wouldn't be a whole lot for old Cable to do here I'm afraid. With that said, Superman would win this confrontation 10/10. If you can actually show me some proof of Cable being able to react to speeds MUCH greater than the speed of light, then I'll reconsider. However, for right now, Supes stomps him HARD.
You still haven't given a decent rebuttal to this either.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I don't hear you making comments when clinging to Thanos. In your mind, it's ok for Thanos to be invincible, yet it's wrong for Supes?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
😂Why are you trying to prove LM was faster then somebody else's calulations?
They weren't Cable's......
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Lightmaster flew at him at the speed of light okay...they do the math of how fast it would take for something to move at the speed of light to get to where they were from the sun.....LM got there faster.
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It was a typo.....
I meant spot.
Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. I meant to put stopping but I know how much you like to say Cable's cybernetic eye can spot things moving at lightspeed even though it literally makes zero sense from even a fake science standpoint unless he was walking around with a rift in subspace floating around his skull for his eye to track from. And even then it depends on what kind of subspace Marvel has.
It makes more sense that at the time he could sense things from huge distances with his telekinesis, which I meant to put earlier, kind of like some fish can sense their environment through vibrations in the water.
Have you ever heard of the speed force and what happens to Flash when he passes light speed?
Have you ever heard of Detective "DC" Comics? Have you seen how inconsistant things are there?
Originally posted by bigbranexcactly.
because thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
so your saying that supes is invunerable?
and its stupid gving supes even more powers, and when was the last power thanos was giving, 1970? 1980? really, supes has been around for almost half a century, and there still giving him power. its always best to keep your mouth shut.
Superman all the way. Superman is just way too developed and is more consistant than Cable. The thing about Superman is that even though he is the first major comic book superhero and has been around for decades there is no absolute on what his kryptonian body can allow him to do. This is how the creators want it. Believe it or not, Superman may even be powered up some more in the future.
Cable's abilities reminds me of the clone Superboy's. I think they may be a perfect match.
Originally posted by bigbran
because thanos has never been said to have a weakness. and ive shown scans of thanos being hurt, i just say hes insanely durible.
so your saying that supes is invunerable?
and its stupid gving supes even more powers, and when was the last power thanos was giving, 1970? 1980? really, supes has been around for almost half a century, and there still giving him power. its always best to keep your mouth shut.
Yes it is. So keep your mouth shut about Supes upgrades. 😉
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
For me, it's because Thanos is cool. And a villian. Superman is not, and he's a hero. If the hero is smart, cunning, and physically powerful, what the crap is he going to fight? You have to one up the hero who ends up one upping the villian who has to be one upped again to beat the one upped hero who one ups again. It's just a viciously boring cycle.
Good reason. Unfortunately it falters in the same way with the villain. Make the villain too powerful and then they lose in ridiculous ways or unbelievable ways.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
For me, it's because Thanos is cool. And a villian. Superman is not, and he's a hero. If the hero is smart, cunning, and physically powerful, what the crap is he going to fight? You have to one up the hero who ends up one upping the villian who has to be one upped again to beat the one upped hero who one ups again. It's just a viciously boring cycle.
I think its referred to as power inflation, and is unfortunaltely prevalent through out comics. If you want the best example look at Dragon Ball Z, a show i used to love when i was a lot younger.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You seemed to imply that Lightmaster was faster than light by the guy's calculation of how fast it would take light to travel from the Moon, which I kind of thought you meant, to Earth. I don't know what I was talking about with Lightmaster taking time ot think because that'd slow him... I was probably in a rush or something.. .
In my oppinion, this idea about using the traditional distances (I.e. from a logical universe) to calculate flight speed should be rejected to some degree, as its seems that writers don't really pay attention to it. Geoff Johns especiallly, it took Prime and Co literally mins to cross half the distance of the universe.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
[B]Pointing out typos is the bottom of the barrel point in interweb debating. .
Totaly agreed ... anyone who does it to me gets put on my ignore list. 🙂
well i do bit parts in comic books in my local area in portsmouth, and we take alot of effort into the story and conveying into the images we present in the comic, what you see IS what is happening... it's your opinion entirely, i just think maybe they could of shown you the idea better, but that's what happens, and the character voice comment or thinking comments is the story being explained , because images can only show soo much
Originally posted by MattDay
well i do bit parts in comic books in my local area in portsmouth, and we take alot of effort into the story and conveying into the images we presenet in the comic, what you see IS what is happening... it's your opinion entirely, i just think maybe they could of shown you the idea better, but that's what happens.
Sorry mate i didn't really understand that ..... Did you watch the game yesterday ? 🙂
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Okay, I showed scans of two fights where Cable spotted characters moving at superspeeds.1) Was the Lightmaster, where on his return he was moving at light speed.
2) Was where Surfer was speedblitzing him also. Now he might not have been moving at the speed of sound, but Cable knew it was him before he was there.
Now I know it didn't say "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but its clearly what he did there.
The reason for light master is because his thoughts were moving at light speed, so he couldn't get a fix which they state.
They did say that he was going to be coming back at the speed of light and they did the math.
Cable then spotted him on his return with his eye because he was able to react.
Now remember he couldn't have reacted to him because of his telepathy so how then was he able to react?
Its because he can spot things at superspeeds with his cyber eye.
It was stated in a comic, but i forget, I have hundreds of his appearances so it'll take me a few days to find the exact one.
Even though I showed him being able to react to someone doing a light speed speedblitz.
No you haven't.
1. Cable saw a giant ball of energy that was apparent to everyone. Not one stated only Cable could see it and it was never stated that "Cable has the ability to see light speed objects with his artificial eye." That is something Cable fanboys have made up with no actual proof behind it. You would think if he really did have that power it would have been mentioned by someone somewhere in the years he has existed as a character and wouldn't require you to discover it.
2. So you're saying it's some kind of feat for Cable to be able to telepathically sense someone traveling well under the speed of sound? Hell Cyke "sensed" the Surfer too, he just used his ears. So now do we claim that Cyke can "hear" people moving at the speed of light?
And who is it clear to that Cable's eye allowed him to see Lightmaster? It only seems to be "clear" to you. Your insistence on Cable possessing this ability would carry more weigh if you could find some evidence of a writer making even a passing reference to it in the years Cable has existed. But you can't so you made it up this power and demand that we accept he has it when there is no proof to back it up. Again I ask what is more logical: the fact that you might be wrong with your interpretation of the fight, or the fact that Cable does have a power that has never been mentioned any other place before or since?
As for Cable's "reaction" to Lightmaster's re-entry, all he did was erect a shield to protect himself. He didn't actually attack Lightmaster in any way. He knew Lightmaster was coming right back and yet the best he could do was a defensive maneuver. Once again, none of your scans show Cable attacking someone moving at light speed in any manner.
Nothing you've posted has proven Cable can react, think, or attack someone at light speed. And quite simply, that is because he can't. If he could then hardly any other character in the Marvel Universe could ever hope to fight him in any way. Every fight he was in, he would end in a fraction of a second. But it has never been stated by Marvel or his writers that he has the ability no matter how much you want him to.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Now you're saying I'm avoiding things, when I haven't....You say I haven't shown on panle proof of them actually saying "Cable has just spotted so and so with his cyber eye", but you haven't shown them SAYING Superman is moving at the speed of light.
All you showed was the DS fight and caluations of how he might be moving faster then the speed of light.
Thats not proof according to your lodgic....
Actually I did.
If you will look back a few pages you will see this scan:
Do the math. He far exceeds the speed of light in that scan. Unlike some people, I don't make claims about characters have certain powers unless their is a plethora of evidence to support it.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0WHe has to give it time to adjust, like his perceptions.
Anyway its not been said he can't lock on to someone moving at light speed, its just harder.
Can you prove he thinks at light speed?
When his body is traveling at the speed of light, how fast do you think the nerve impulses in his body would be going? The short answer is, ignoring the consequences of Einstein's relativistic effects which don't seem to apply in comics anyway, that to an outside observer Superman's thoughts would be traveling slightly faster than his physical speed.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0WI know, I know you won't read in to it.
You need it to actually state it.....but when you show scans that don't actually state things you want the other to assume that thats what went down.😂
Just how many claims are you going to make without any evidence to back them up? That makes three I've counted so far:
1. Cable spotted the Surfer traveling at super speed.
*no he didn't, as the Surfer was traveling well under the speed of sound.
2. Cable's cybernetic eye can spot objects moving at the speed of light.
*no it can't. In his entire existence the writers of Cable and Marvel itself have never stated that Cable has this ability. It's just something you've made up after looking at one fight.
3. Cable is an omega-level mutant.
*no he isn't and it has never been stated that he is. Just another example of stuff that you've made up in this debate and then refuse to back up with scans or evidence of some sort.
So I really don't know what the point of debating with you is. You've proven yourself to be nothing more than a Cable fanboy to whom the idea's of supporting claims with evidence and objective analysis seem to be sadly foreign. All that is going to continue to happen is people will pick holes in your faulty logic to which you will respond not with actual evidence, but with either complete fabrications or grossly exaggerated misrepresentations of actual feats.
