Originally posted by debbiejo
Neither do YOU...but you know Paul very well.......
Jesus said that HIS SHEEP (His true disciples, followers) hear His voice...and they FOLLOW HIM. Folks I am not following Buddah, Muhammed, Confuscious, Joseph Smith, satan, the originator of any other doctrine (i.e., reincarnation, new age teaching, wicca, or any other religious doctrine). The only VOICE and PERSON that I KNOW and FOLLOW is the voice of JESUS CHRIST because His voice is the ONLY voice that I RECOGNIZE.
Now why is this? Because I AM HIS SHEEP and He is my SHEPHERD. Folks if you are following any OTHER person other than Jesus the Christ then you do not know Jesus. This is the acid test to know whether or not you know Jesus or not. Who's voice are you following? Are you following the voice of, "there are many ways to God.?" Then you do not know Jesus. Please, feel free to re-read this post and do some introspection.
John 10:27
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
John 10:4
And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
1 John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
Have any of you CONFESSED that Jesus is the Son of God (in other words that He is equal to God)? I have, and I do. Therefore, based on this scripture God abides in me. Again, another acid test.
1 John 5:1
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
I BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ; therefore, I am BORN OF GOD. I know God friends. Again, another acid test.
Are ya'll ready for the clencher?
John 8:42-47
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
That's just all there is to it. I love Jesus because God IS MY FATHER. I UNDERSTAND Jesus' speech and I am ABLE to listen to His Word BECAUSE I KNOW JESUS.
Why? Because I KNOW JESUS AND I AM HIS SHEEP. He who is OF GOD HEARS (understands) GOD'S WORDS (the Bible or that person is able to tell whether someone truly knows Jesus or not).
The reason that many of you argue about WHO Jesus is and what the BIBLE says about Him is because you don't know God. You are not His sheep. You are not saved. Read the acid test again. A true believer in Jesus Christ KNOWS when another true believer in Christ is speaking. There have been some on this forum who can tell that I know Jesus simply by the things that I write (it ALWAYS, INVARIABLY agrees with God's Word).
Originally posted by BobbyD
An example of proof that Jesus exists, are those indivduals who have opened up their hearts to him to take residence inside, and include Him in their daily lives.
Actually that does not equal proof that he existed. Proof that he once lived would be a body and/or some more impartial sources and/or documentary evidence that kind of thing. Proof that he is divine is a whole kettle of fish.
Now, I could claim I have proof of reincarnation, as I lived a good life in a previous life time and I am here now.
I might very well believe it, and it might very well be true, but claiming something is so does not equal it being proof of any validity.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Are you like a crazy person??? 😂The Serpent and what we would call Satan are 2 different things...the king or prince of Tyre is that and only that.....Other stories are only mythology, just as Lucifer is...The morning star is only the planet Venus...etc..
The Jews don't believe in Satan. Satan is only a word that the church used as a scare tactic to get money from the people............The NT books were written around the Jewish Wars and everyone was called Satan if you weren't on their side.
Tell me why Moses never mention Hell??
The Rich Man and Lazarus (a true account of one man’s experience in Hell)
Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus , full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades , he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham , have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame .’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented . 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment .’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham ; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 5:43-47
43 I (Jesus the Christ) have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Debbiejo, this sounds nothing like any of the general, unspecific parables that Jesus told. Go back and read all of the parables of Jesus. Not ONCE did Jesus mention a proper name. Jesus was always GENERAL and UNSPECIFIC. But this is the ONE TIME that Jesus is VERY SPECIFIC. That is because this is A TRUE ACCOUNT of one man's experience in Hell (Hades).[/B]
WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT HELL (HADES)?
Mark 9:39, 43-48
39 But Jesus said…
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
Jesus talked about Hell so I am satisfied and convinced that it is a literal place of torment.
p.s. now Jesus is speaking metaphorically. Jesus does not want you to cut off any part of your body. Can you see the difference?
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language with some portions in Aramaic. The Hebrew word for Hell is “Sheol.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Sheol (Hell)
07585-sh@'owl {sheh-ole'} or sh@ol {sheh-ole'}
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
a) the underworld
b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1) place of no return
2) without praise of God
3) wicked sent there for punishment
4) righteous not abandoned to it
5) of the place of exile (fig)
6) of extreme degradation in sin
The word Hell is a place of torment no matter which language that it is translated in. Just because in Hebrew the word Hell is translated as Sheol does not negate the existence of Hell, it is just called by another name. For instance, the phrase “United States” is translated as “Los Estados Unidos” in Spanish, but the United States is STILL a literal place. Well, Hell is translated as “Sheol” in the Hebrew language, but Hell is STILL a literal place of torment.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The New Testament was written in the Greek language. The Greek word for Hell is “Hades.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Hell (Hades)
86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
++++
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.
( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament . It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15).
Did you get that Debbiejoe, “The Greek word Hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as Sheol of the Old Testament…” The two words are a reference to the SAME PLACE OF TORMENT, they’re just translated into two different languages.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Are you like a crazy person??? 😂The Serpent and what we would call Satan are 2 different things...the king or prince of Tyre is that and only that.....Other stories are only mythology, just as Lucifer is...The morning star is only the planet Venus...etc..
The Jews don't believe in Satan. Satan is only a word that the church used as a scare tactic to get money from the people............The NT books were written around the Jewish Wars and everyone was called Satan if you weren't on their side.
Tell me why Moses never mention Hell??
DID MOSES TALK ABOUT HELL?
Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in My anger,And shall burn to the lowest hell [Sheol]; It shall consume the earth with her increase, And set on fire the foundations of the mountains
Moses is the author of the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy).Moses does mention Hell (Sheol) however Moses had an entirely different assignment: to lead God's people from Egypt and then give them the law from God.
WHAT DID MOSES SAY ABOUT JESUS?
Deuteronomy 18:15-18
15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear , 16 according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him .
There you have it. Moses declared that God would raise up a Prophet like him, and Him (Jesus) we should hear. Moses referred to Jesus Christ Who was not only a Prophet and Teacher but God in the flesh.
The Lord Jesus Christ is greater than Moses. You see, Moses wrote about Jesus and even talked to Him on the mountain where Christ was transfigured. But, Christ is God in human form, Moses is just a man. Christ Jesus talked about Hell and this is sufficient. I care more about what God says than what man (Moses) says. No disrespect to Moses, he had his place and mission. But God (Jesus Christ) is the Word made flesh. The Bible--the living, Word of God--says that God has spoken to us in these last days by His Son (Jesus).
The Israelites lived under a totally different dispensation (i.e., period of God's dealing with humanity regarding sin). Jesus Christ had not yet come to Earth to die for the sins of the world. Remember,
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
We live in what is commonly referred to as the age of grace. Grace is unmerited, undeserved, mercy extended to us by God. God had appointed a set time when He would send His Son into the world to preach the Kingdom of God and repentance from sin. At the time Moses lived they simply were concerned with keeping God's laws to maintain fellowship and favor with Him. The worst thing for them was getting stoned to death. But under this dispensation of grace now God commands people everywhere to repent from sin and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. That is why Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God and why Moses didn’t. It was not time for that. It was not Moses’ “thrust” or “calling.” God primarily waited until Jesus came on the scene to command people everywhere to REPENT from sins and to turn toward God.
Acts 17:30-31
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man [Jesus Christ] whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” DID MOSES TALK ABOUT HELL?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]The Rich Man and Lazarus (a true account of one man’s experience in Hell)Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus , full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades , he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham , have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame .’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented . 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment .’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham ; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.John 5:43-47
43 I (Jesus the Christ) have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”Debbiejo, this sounds nothing like any of the general, unspecific parables that Jesus told. Go back and read all of the parables of Jesus. Not ONCE did Jesus mention a proper name. Jesus was always GENERAL and UNSPECIFIC. But this is the ONE TIME that Jesus is VERY SPECIFIC. That is because this is A TRUE ACCOUNT of one man's experience in Hell (Hades).[/B]
WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT HELL (HADES)?
Mark 9:39, 43-48
39 But Jesus said…
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 46 where‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’Jesus talked about Hell so I am satisfied and convinced that it is a literal place of torment.
p.s. now Jesus is speaking metaphorically. Jesus does not want you to cut off any part of your body. Can you see the difference?
THE OLD TESTAMENT
The Old Testament was written in the Hebrew language with some portions in Aramaic. The Hebrew word for Hell is “Sheol.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Sheol (Hell)
07585-sh@'owl {sheh-ole'} or sh@ol {sheh-ole'}
1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
a) the underworld
b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
1) place of no return
2) without praise of God
3) wicked sent there for punishment
4) righteous not abandoned to it
5) of the place of exile (fig)
6) of extreme degradation in sinThe word Hell is a place of torment no matter which language that it is translated in. Just because in Hebrew the word Hell is translated as Sheol does not negate the existence of Hell, it is just called by another name. For instance, the phrase “United States” is translated as “Los Estados Unidos” in Spanish, but the United States is STILL a literal place. Well, Hell is translated as “Sheol” in the Hebrew language, but Hell is STILL a literal place of torment.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
The New Testament was written in the Greek language. The Greek word for Hell is “Hades.” Let’s see what this word really means.
Hell (Hades)
86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell++++
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.
( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament . It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15).
Did you get that Debbiejoe, “The Greek word Hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as Sheol of the Old Testament…” The two words are a reference to the SAME PLACE OF TORMENT, they’re just translated into two different languages. [/B]
These are the facts Debbiejo. 🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Isn't a WEIRD coincidence that the deeper you go down into the earth the HOTTER IT IS? Hmm.... 🙂
Yeah...toatly a wierd conincidence.
Did you know as the pressure on objects increases....they get warmer?
Coincidence, this is not. The Christian idea of hell was hijacked and coincidence is all that supports it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
These are the facts Debbiejo. 🙂
Isaiah 14:9
“ Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming ; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.
Hell is BENEATH somewhere near the center of the earth and it is not a coincidence that the deeper you go down, the hotter it is. 🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Isaiah 14:9
“ Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming ; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.Hell is BENEATH somewhere near the center of the earth and it is not a coincidence that the deeper you go down, the hotter it is. 🙂 [/B]
No, hell is inside of your head.
Let me prove it to you:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Isaiah 14:9
“ Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming ; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.Hell is BENEATH somewhere near the center of the earth and it is not a coincidence that the deeper you go down, the hotter it is. 🙂 [/B]
Wow, that sounds exciting. Hell actually rolling out the red carpet for ones coming.
But anyway - are you actually saying you believe there is a physical hell at the centre of the earth? Because there isn't. No sign of a big open space where sinners burn in agony for all eternity (despite the fact that, without corporeal bodies it would be impossible to feel pain.) Under the earth is more earth. It is hot because of the pressure, and the molten core of the planet. Not Hell.
At least Jules Vernes centre of the earth had dinosaurs.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, hell is inside of your head.Let me prove it to you:
Thank you JIA.
God is the reason we live in dismay
It is his will that this world's suffering
If we do not believe what you foretell
We can expect afterlife will be Hell
You are the one who killed his own son
We are the ones you're blaming it on
Lust was created beginning with hymn
When we indulge we are guilty of sin
Torture our lives with confusion and lies
Mass contradiction, religious facades
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD!
LIAR
Lord of salvation keep looking away
It is your will that this world goes astray
Take us each day from this place you unworthed
Unfulfilled promise of Heaven on Earth
You are the one who killed your own son
We are the ones your hatred is on
Children are dying and this you're content
Where is your profit in what you have left
No intervention from angels above
God is the reason that Satan lives on
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD!
LIAR
__________________
Originally posted by Deicide
God is the reason we live in dismay
It is his will that this world's suffering
If we do not believe what you foretell
We can expect afterlife will be HellYou are the one who killed his own son
We are the ones you're blaming it on
Lust was created beginning with hymn
When we indulge we are guilty of sin
Torture our lives with confusion and lies
Mass contradiction, religious facadesBLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD!
LIARLord of salvation keep looking away
It is your will that this world goes astray
Take us each day from this place you unworthed
Unfulfilled promise of Heaven on EarthYou are the one who killed your own son
We are the ones your hatred is on
Children are dying and this you're content
Where is your profit in what you have left
No intervention from angels above
God is the reason that Satan lives onBLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD
BLAME IT ON GOD!
LIAR__________________
Are you angry with yourself? Seriously, I am not being facestious. Friend God loves you. 🙁