Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

Originally posted by leonidas
you should check out the thanos v doomsday thread for some interesting discussion about the two . . .

and blasting ain't gonna do it, kg. and when did ss ever 'time dump' and enemy? physically speaking, at its highest level, dd is WAYYYY above supes which likely puts him at thanos level. last i checked, thanos beat ss using nothing more than his fists . . .

Is that why both died? If Supes is wayyy, below DD. And all Supes did was duke it out with DD.

Last I checked, Thanos also stomped Herc, Hulk, Thing, and Thor physically. It's nothing SS should be concerned about, it's Thanos after all.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Is that why both died? If Supes is wayyy, below DD. And all Supes did was duke it out with DD.

Last I checked, Thanos also stomped Herc, Hulk, Thing, and Thor physically. It's nothing SS should be concerned about, it's Thanos after all.

Hafta read Hunter/Prey. Doomsday broke Supermans arm backwards and gave him a nasty concussion. Superman could barely see straight and was blacking out and Doomsday wasn't even breathing hard. Superman would be dead again if it weren't for Waveriders bracelet and motherbox. Gog kicked Supermans ass easily but couldn't scratch the Doomsday of today. So yeah supes is waayyy below DD in terms of physical power. It's like you're not listening...the Doomsday that fought Superman in The Death of Superman is not nearly as powerful as Doomsday is today. Presumably, the DD that exists today would be strong enough to take a blast from Imperiex and shrug it off.

And Doomsday didn't just take a GL ring if I remember DD:Year One correctly. He slaughtered a ton of the lanterns before managing to take the ring, and after he did they blasted him so hard that it ripped a hole in space and he got thrown through it. At least that's what I remember, it's been a long, long time since I've read it.

Originally posted by kgkg
He did that to Durok

a guy Physically Faster and Stronger than Thor infact he defeated thor with ease , nearly killing him.

SS came for aid , they had somewhat of a battle , SS realizing Durok being to stong takes him to the future and dump him.

Thanos used powers to amp his fist it wasn't pure physical.

SS has dealth with his share of physically strong beings

Hulk --- was punching him nothing much happened.
Champion ------- again not much

nothing that I have seen indicates that DD is at Thanos level.

And what is DD going to do to block his molecules form getting annihilated, or his body getting solidified?

SS won’t be punches DD you know that.

And SS has hurt a lot more powerful being and took their best.

Enslaver , Korvac , Hulk , Quasar etc

What is "Thanos level?"

What is Thanos best feat of strength without an enhancement?

And so, in the never-ending quest, simply cuz it's fun to do so...

- Surfer takes hold of Doomsday with a very, very long tractor beam.
- He accelerates to near lightspeed, using a method similar to the Trek impulse engines, so as to avoid relativistic effects.
- When zippin along at something like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% lightspeed (maybe wee bit faster), Surfer drops DD back into normal space.
- Result: DD's mass is so great from extreme relativistic effects, he, in effect, becomes a black hole and is trapped inside his own event horizon, forever, or at least until proton disintegration occurs (may I safely assume DD does have protons in his atomic structure, otherwise how could he even exist in the first place in our universe?)

But seriously, folks...

Just how the heck does DD keep coming back? I mean, if his body is totally disintegrated, there must be Something remaining which ignites the reincarnation process. Call it essence, spirit, whatever. There must be something which Does Not Change, some stable, dependable "platform," upon which his material reincarnation/evolution can occur...and perhaps That might be the best way to take the Doomster out...for'er!

But seriously, folks...........

<<Hafta read Hunter/Prey. Doomsday broke Supermans arm backwards and gave him a nasty concussion. Superman could barely see straight and was blacking out and Doomsday wasn't even breathing hard. Superman would be dead again if it weren't for Waveriders bracelet and motherbox. Gog kicked Supermans ass easily but couldn't scratch the Doomsday of today. So yeah supes is waayyy below DD in terms of physical power. It's like you're not listening...the Doomsday that fought Superman in The Death of Superman is not nearly as powerful as Doomsday is today. Presumably, the DD that exists today would be strong enough to take a blast from Imperiex and shrug it off.>>

THANK YOU!

<<And Doomsday didn't just take a GL ring if I remember DD:Year One correctly. He slaughtered a ton of the lanterns before managing to take the ring, and after he did they blasted him so hard that it ripped a hole in space and he got thrown through it. At least that's what I remember, it's been a long, long time since I've read it.>>

THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

criminy. didn't i say earlier the HIGHEST level. the gog version is the highest that i know of and that one (also highly intelligent) would demolish ss -- at least ss wouldn't be able to do anything to harm it.

a wormhole? what's that gonna do?? he's been to the END OF TIME and returned. ss ain't doing jack to his 'molecular' structure, like he doens't do jack to thanos's molecular structure. unreal . . .

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What is "Thanos level?"

What is Thanos best feat of strength without an enhancement?

= > all the heros in marvel

Including Quasar , Thor , SS , Marvel , Hulk , Drax.

As for leo how about no he didn't try that on Thanos because it doesn't work on him.

you must have not seen what he went through , his body once destroyed and healed right away , from mol annulations

SS win pretty easily, DD only option is punching the guy.

Hulk , Durok etc check those guys and come back

Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos Level

= > all the heros in marvel

Including Quasar , Thor , SS , Marvel , Hulk , Drax.

As for leo how about no he didn't try that on Thanos because it doesn't work on him.

you must have not seen what he went through , his body once destroyed and healed right away , from mol annulations

SS win pretty easily, DD only option is punching the guy.

Hulk , Durok etc check those guys and come back

=> all the heros? Prove it. Most of the time he's fighting with prep, or enhancements. Also, Thanos greatest strength feats unenhanced please?

DD only option is punching the guy... how about feedback to his cosmic energy...and if Thanos took him out that easily physically. DD will do it much quicker.

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]<<Hafta read Hunter/Prey. Doomsday broke Supermans arm backwards and gave him a nasty concussion. Superman could barely see straight and was blacking out and Doomsday wasn't even breathing hard. Superman would be dead again if it weren't for Waveriders bracelet and motherbox. Gog kicked Supermans ass easily but couldn't scratch the Doomsday of today. So yeah supes is waayyy below DD in terms of physical power. It's like you're not listening...the Doomsday that fought Superman in The Death of Superman is not nearly as powerful as Doomsday is today. Presumably, the DD that exists today would be strong enough to take a blast from Imperiex and shrug it off.>>

UM? What's your point? Superman's also gotten his jaw broken by General Zod; Zod is at least Superman's level in strength. Surfer hasn't had anything broken; he's physically more durable than Superman.

<<And Doomsday didn't just take a GL ring if I remember DD:Year One correctly. He slaughtered a ton of the lanterns before managing to take the ring, and after he did they blasted him so hard that it ripped a hole in space and he got thrown through it. At least that's what I remember, it's been a long, long time since I've read it.>>

And he still won with the ring.

a wormhole? what's that gonna do?? he's been to the END OF TIME and returned. ss ain't doing jack to his 'molecular' structure, like he doens't do jack to thanos's molecular structure. unreal . . .

Brainiac freed him. Unless Brainiac is in this fight, DD ain't dimension traveling.

Unreal? DD ain't Thanos. Thanos is an Eternal, who was also augmented by Death. Don't even compare DD's biology and abilities to Thanos - that's nuts. Unless you think a mutant Eternal and Death's augment below bio-evolutionary-engineering.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What is "Thanos level?"

What is Thanos best feat of strength without an enhancement?

That's what I want to know. They keep saying Thanos is stronger, but when you ask for evidence they ignore you. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
=> all the heros? Prove it. Most of the time he's fighting with prep, or enhancements. Also, Thanos greatest strength feats unenhanced please?

DD only option is punching the guy... how about feedback to his cosmic energy...and if Thanos took him out that easily physically. DD will do it much quicker.

Originally posted by Beyonder
UM? What's your point? Superman's also gotten his jaw broken by General Zod; Zod is at least Superman's level in strength. Surfer hasn't had anything broken; he's physically more durable than Superman.

And he still won with the ring.

Brainiac freed him. Unless Brainiac is in this fight, DD ain't dimension traveling.

Unreal? DD ain't Thanos. Thanos is an Eternal, who was also augmented by Death. Don't even compare DD's biology and abilities to Thanos - that's nuts. Unless you think a mutant Eternal and Death's augment below bio-evolutionary-engineering.

DD can beat Thanos.

Originally posted by dvampire
DD can beat Thanos.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
=> all the heros? Prove it. Most of the time he's fighting with prep, or enhancements. Also, Thanos greatest strength feats unenhanced please?

Before his ressurection he fought with Thing and Thor at the same time. Physically he was stalemating them. Drax the Destroyer, created by Mentor and Chronos (the cosmic deity), has smashed apart two planets, one of those while fighting Thanos. Fought a planet filled with Magus' army along side Adam Warlock.

After his ressurection & power up by Mistress Death, Thanos pimpslapped Hulk and Drax in one blow. Manhandles Surfer physically. Physically took out Thing and Hulk while Herc and Thor attacked him. Then went on to fight and kill his dopplerganger - then ate the remaining essence.

Physically stalemating Power Gem Warrior Madness Thor. The same Warriror Madness Thor that beat up Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. And the beat up the Infinity Watch and took Drax's Power Gem.

Took a blasts from Odin, each one of which took out Surfer and Drax.

Even without prep, he's leauges above Superman types in powers and durability.

DD only option is punching the guy... how about feedback to his cosmic energy...and if Thanos took him out that easily physically. DD will do it much quicker. [/B]

Riiight. Surfer's only beat up guys like Terrax, Morg, Thor, Hulk, and Godlike Cable.

Nobody below skyfather level can put Thanos down. And DD ain't Thanos level.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Before his ressurection he fought with Thing and Thor at the same time. Physically he was stalemating them. Drax the Destroyer, created by Mentor and Chronos (the cosmic deity), has smashed apart two planets, one of those while fighting Thanos. Fought a planet filled with Magus' army along side Adam Warlock.

After his ressurection & power up by Mistress Death, Thanos pimpslapped Hulk and Drax in one blow. Manhandles Surfer physically. Physically took out Thing and Hulk while Herc and Thor attacked him. Then went on to fight and kill his dopplerganger - then ate the remaining essence.

Physically stalemating Power Gem Warrior Madness Thor. The same Warriror Madness Thor that beat up Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. And the beat up the Infinity Watch and took Drax's Power Gem.

Took a blasts from Odin, each one of which took out Surfer and Drax.

Even without prep, he's leauges above Superman types in powers and durability.

Riiight. Surfer's only beat up guys like Terrax, Morg, Thor, Hulk, and Godlike Cable.

Nobody below skyfather level can put Thanos down. And DD ain't Thanos level.

<<Unreal? DD ain't Thanos. Thanos is an Eternal, who was also augmented by Death. Don't even compare DD's biology and abilities to Thanos - that's nuts. Unless you think a mutant Eternal and Death's augment below bio-evolutionary-engineering.>>

dd would certainly have a chance to beat thanos. what's thanos gonna do? punch him? dd's evolved beyond that form of punishment. is he gonna blast him? at his highest level, imperiex, the green corps and some uber-energy being have already helped him evolve past this form of punishment. one blast from gog killed a more powerful than the present superman. COUNTLESS gog's were being slaughtered by the (as yet) highest form of dd. that re-engineering you're talking about hasn't yet shown a limit to its adaptive capabilities. thanos does not evolve, dd does. so far there has been nothing to show dd can't evolve to or beyond thanos's level. any denial of this fact by you or anyone else will be pure speculation, and is no more valid or invalid than someone saying dd CAN evolve that far. or further.

supes with apok tech and a motherbox amping him far beyond his normal powers could do nothing to the hunter/prey dd except get his ass kicked. the next form is much more powerful than even THAT one. the hunter/prey has already experienced the omega effect and beat down darkseid. in a x-over, the omega beams wiped out ss. yah, yah, x-overs aren't canon, still, it happened.

i already said ss could teleport dd away, probably, but he's not doing anything to hurt dd so that's not a win it's a delaying tactic. without prep, thanos ain't doing much either. if you want to debate that, i'd be happy to, but go to the dd v thanos thread where it's more appropriate. and where pretty well every point you could raise has been countered or debated.

DAMNED STRAIGHT...

damn leo... you've left me with basically nothing left worth saying that hasn't already been said....

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Actually, after Imperiex's blast, Doomsday's evolved into a total puss.

Why should we assume that Imperiex's blast made Doomsday immune to blasts? Was it ever substantiated? Was it ever substantiated that Doomsday was totally impervious to physical attack?

Another thing. If we're talking hunter/prey Doomsday, why are we even factoring in Imperiex's blast? Either he's immune to physical attacks, or he's a puss.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Originally posted by leonidas
i already said ss could teleport dd away, probably, but he's not doing anything to hurt dd so that's not a win it's a delaying tactic.

Omega Beams = cheap shot.

Is that really fair? Everyone says that Superman can simply chuck people into orbit for a win. Last time I checked, incapacitation or battlefield removal counted as a win.

Using this logic, Juggernaut, Mindless Hulk, and quite a few other characters are made virtually undefeatable. Is that what you mean to imply?

<<DAMNED STRAIGHT...

damn leo... you've left me with basically nothing left worth saying that hasn't already been said....>>

😄

s'cool. just happy someone else 'round here is aware of what dd is really capable of. always good to have you in my corner, jin.

<<Is that really fair? Everyone says that Superman can simply chuck people into orbit for a win.

Using this logic, Juggernaut, Mindless Hulk, and quite a few other characters are made virtually undefeatable. Is that what you mean to imply?>>

not sure what you're getting at, cube. throwing someone into orbit is silly, and not something i'd ever use in a debate. teleporting someone away isn't a win either.

as far as dd's evolution and it's substantiation -- in his highest form he hasn't been beaten, so who's to say WHAT he's capable of. he APPEARED immune to a blast that killed a more powerful (older) superman and he was able to easily defeat many gog's simultaneously. again, the limits of dd's evolution remain unknown. as far as why he DE-volved after he was killed by imperiex, that is still unclear. check out the doomsday v thanos thread for some interesting theories.