Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

I keep thinking that the best way to defeat Dooms is not with brute force but with brains...this is how Batman beats characters wwaaayyy more powerful than he is. The Surfer will have to fight smart, not just big. All attacks I've read about so far have taken place on a classical-physics level. On the quantum level, all material is equal; no substance is more/less indestructible than the next. And because of the uncertainty principle, it would be straining belief (at least mine, anyway), that Dooms could adapt to an attack on that level.

Then again, the Ultimate Power is, as always, the Writers. If they want DD to be like pre-crisis Superman--Flat-Out Unbeatable--then so be it.

SS cant beat DD ligitimately, by which i mean without sending DD to the end of time or into deep space, DD was made to be basically unbeatable...

Originally posted by Mindship
I keep thinking that the best way to defeat Dooms is not with brute force but with brains...this is how Batman beats characters wwaaayyy more powerful than he is. The Surfer will have to fight smart, not just big. All attacks I've read about so far have taken place on a classical-physics level. On the quantum level, all material is equal; no substance is more/less indestructible than the next. And because of the uncertainty principle, it would be straining belief (at least mine, anyway), that Dooms could adapt to an attack on that level.

Then again, the Ultimate Power is, as always, the Writers. If they want DD to be like pre-crisis Superman--Flat-Out Unbeatable--then so be it.

Wow. Your posts are amazing. You sound like a living thesaurus/encyclopedia.

I wish I was like you. 🙁

Originally posted by jgiant
SS cant beat DD ligitimately, by which i mean without sending DD to the end of time or into deep space, DD was made to be basically unbeatable...

If he takes it to the extra-physical quantum level (which he has done in the past,) Surfer might be able to pull a "legitamate" victory.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If he takes it to the extra-physical quantum level (which he has done in the past,) Surfer might be able to pull a "legitamate" victory.

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Originally posted by masterbruce
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I'm trying to think of a way (other than manipulating matter, or simply taking Doomsday into the sun,) that Surfer can win. Blasts probably ain't gonna get it done.

By the way, Surfer not winning doesn't mean that Doomsday automatically does. 😉

yeah thats true, silver doesnt nec lose just cuz he cant beat doomsday

one of doomsday's only weakness as far as I can tell is that he cant fly, i dont know if he ever evolved that ability but if not thats a pretty big weakness

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wow. Your posts are amazing. You sound like a living thesaurus/encyclopedia.

I wish I was like you. 🙁

< wields the Power Google, but thanks for the thought.

Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah comparing a GL ring to the IG makes a lot of sense right?

Yes.

Doomsday beat GL corps w/ ring. Not under his own power.

Thanos defeat the cosmic bridgade w/ IG. Not under his own power.

You don't see me coming in here claiming that Thanos would beat Galactus by himself since he already did it during IG saga.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I'm trying to think of a way (other than manipulating matter, or simply taking Doomsday into the sun,) that Surfer can win. Blasts probably ain't gonna get it done.

By the way, Surfer not winning doesn't mean that Doomsday automatically does. 😉

Good point.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Yes.

Doomsday beat GL corps w/ ring. Not under his own power.

Thanos defeat the cosmic bridgade w/ IG. Not under his own power.

You don't see me coming in here claiming that Thanos would beat Galactus by himself since he already did it during IG saga.

nor do you see me coming in here claiming doomsday can defeat the Spectre

and there is a fundamental difference between Thanos and Doomsday

Thanos is powerful but he's just that and nothing more

Doomsday is a creature whose very existence defies nature, he is able to evolve beyond whatever killed him previously, thus Doomsday is constantly improving while Thanos is not

<<Yes.
Doomsday beat GL corps w/ ring. Not under his own power.
Thanos defeat the cosmic bridgade w/ IG. Not under his own power.
You don't see me coming in here claiming that Thanos would beat Galactus by himself since he already did it during IG saga.>>

end the suspense, b: tell us how ss wins this fight? i don't mean how he delays things, etc . . . tell us how he possibly wins this fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Yes.
Doomsday beat GL corps w/ ring. Not under his own power.
Thanos defeat the cosmic bridgade w/ IG. Not under his own power.
You don't see me coming in here claiming that Thanos would beat Galactus by himself since he already did it during IG saga.>>

end the suspense, b: tell us how ss wins this fight? i don't mean how he delays things, etc . . . tell us how he possibly wins this fight.

and last I heard DD doesn't control his molecular Structure

Time dumping another option

DD can&#8217;t really hurt the SS.

SS already got physically abuse by stronger opponents than DD , or close to his level

Originally posted by masterbruce
[B]nor do you see me coming in here claiming doomsday can defeat the Spectre

and there is a fundamental difference between Thanos and Doomsday

Thanos is powerful but he's just that and nothing more

Thnanos is nothing what now? I'll put it this way to you. Thanos is the...mutant Eternal Titan, son of Mentor, nephew of Prime Eternal Zuras, amped by Mistress Death and her Champion of Death, whose counterpart is Eternity and Champion of Life is Adam Warlock.

Thanos Of Titan who stomps Thor, Surfer, Drax, Quasar, Captain Marvel, etc. like rag dolls.

The one that Odin, Kosmos, Tyrant Galactus, Walker, etc. have yet put down. The one that killed a doppleganger made by Magus that was more powerful than him. The guy that survives planetary explosion.

Doomsday is a creature whose very existence defies nature, he is able to evolve beyond whatever killed him previously, thus Doomsday is constantly improving while Thanos is not

Yeah, that's why Imperiex killed him.

Thanos' very existence defies nature as well. So does Adam Warlock's.

the doomsday Imperiex killed was not the Hunter/Prey doomsday

I dont think im gonna convince you any further, and I dont think you're gonna convince me any further cuz at this point we're just rehashing prior statements, so lets just agree to disagree

Originally posted by leonidas

end the suspense, b: tell us how ss wins this fight? i don't mean how he delays things, etc . . . tell us how he possibly wins this fight.

Other than destroying him down to the subatomic level? Throwing him in a worm hole. Containment

Originally posted by masterbruce
the doomsday Imperiex killed was not the Hunter/Prey doomsday

I dont think im gonna convince you any further, and I dont think you're gonna convince me any further cuz at this point we're just rehashing prior statements, so lets just agree to disagree

Where did it specify that it's hunter and prey?

you should check out the thanos v doomsday thread for some interesting discussion about the two . . .

and blasting ain't gonna do it, kg. and when did ss ever 'time dump' and enemy? physically speaking, at its highest level, dd is WAYYYY above supes which likely puts him at thanos level. last i checked, thanos beat ss using nothing more than his fists . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
you should check out the thanos v doomsday thread for some interesting discussion about the two . . .

and blasting ain't gonna do it, kg. and when did ss ever 'time dump' and enemy? physically speaking, at its highest level, dd is WAYYYY above supes which likely puts him at thanos level. last i checked, thanos beat ss using nothing more than his fists . . .

a guy Physically Faster and Stronger than Thor infact he defeated thor with ease , nearly killing him.

SS came for aid , they had somewhat of a battle , SS realizing Durok being to stong takes him to the future and dump him.

Thanos used powers to amp his fist it wasn't pure physical.

SS has dealth with his share of physically strong beings

Hulk --- was punching him nothing much happened.
Champion ------- again not much

nothing that I have seen indicates that DD is at Thanos level.

And what is DD going to do to block his molecules form getting annihilated, or his body getting solidified?

SS won&#8217;t be punches DD you know that.

And SS has hurt a lot more powerful being and took their best.

Enslaver , Korvac , Hulk , Quasar etc