Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Juntai
The feats aren't what's important here, don't try to change the subject, what is- is that cosmic and energy attacks of any kind have proven completely nigh innefectual against Doomsday since his initial loss on Calaton many years ago... while at the same time, he can produce a type anti-force against a character such as he did to Radiant to make simply him cease to exist, in that case, an anti-cosmic energy.....or turns their own powers on them, such as he did to waverider. Doomsday has been shown to adapt whatever is neccisary, such as to adapt to Superman's flying, he shot out some bones from his knuckles, and they soared into Superman's shoulder, hooked him and reeled him in. The force of a million nuclear blasts[in the form of pure energy] from a Apokaliptian power station exploding didn't even phase him.

How are feats not important? there what we base are arguments off of. SS can manipulate time and energy on vast lv's, and I want to see scans of the characters mentioned manipulating time and energy on the lv's SS can and has done. Unless you provide prof of these characters being on SS lv, I can't take your word for it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How are feats not important? there what we base are arguments off of. SS can manipulate time and energy on vast lv's, and I want to see scans of the characters mentioned manipulating time and energy on the lv's SS can and has done. Unless you provide prof of these characters being on SS lv, I can't take your word for it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well Waverider can stop time, move through time, slow time, fast foward time, exit him and others from time completely, sustain them while doing so... see the future and the past. Can age beings to infinity or reverse their aging to infantism with a whim. A guy named Hank Hall, formerly Hawk, now Monarch took part of Waverider's energy and decimated the JSA [killing most of them, including Dr Fate - Kent Nelson-- who alone could tangle with Surfer-- Atom, Dr Midnight, Hourman, Wildcat, Sandman at the same time] and tons of other heros and helped Hal Jordan destroy the universe[Extant doing the bulk of the work himself until the very end of zero hour when Hal appeared.]. He has "Complete mastery of the timestream." To say Surfer is that, is rediculous.

OK so can I see this on panel, just so I can see how much greater than Surfer this character is?

Waverider might be far above SS in time manipulation but interms of subatomic reconstraction of organic tissues SS is far above Waverider. Ie. Waverider might heal a wound by speeding time around it, SS heals it by reconstracting the tissue through the used of PC. From what ive interpret from the fight between WR and DD, the energy blast was used to overload DD nervous system hardly an attack to his genetic make up.
Am not saying it will work on DD but SS can formulate a manipulation attack on DD genetic makeup which is far diff. than said attack from WR.

Originally posted by Rols
...From what ive interpret from the fight between WR and DD, the energy blast was used to overload DD nervous system hardly an attack to his genetic make up.
Am not saying it will work on DD but SS can formulate a manipulation attack on DD genetic makeup which is far diff. than said attack from WR.

Surfer can launch an even more intimate attack, going beyond the genetic level. Since Surfer can transmute elements, this means affecting matter on the subatomic level, manipulating protons and neutrons, where there is no adaptive genetic influence.

Originally posted by Mindship
Surfer can launch an even more intimate attack, going beyond the genetic level. Since Surfer can transmute elements, this means affecting matter on the subatomic level, manipulating protons and neutrons, where there is no adaptive genetic influence.

Correct, thus the reason I asked for proof from Juntai that put Wavrider on Silver Surfer lv's. He however failed to do so.

if they meet the name says it all for the Surfer "Doomsday"

Originally posted by DickBlazer
if they meet the name says it all for the Surfer "Doomsday"

Darkseid got his butt KOed by DD with ease. Darkseid beat the crap out of the SS with ease. So how can SS beat DD if Darkseid could not?

Originally posted by Jvenom
Darkseid got his butt KOed by DD with ease. Darkseid beat the crap out of the SS with ease. So how can SS beat DD if Darkseid could not?

i dont think that it matters if its a crossover i think if darkseid met ss in mainstream comics it wouldnt go any better for surfer, and thats a jobbing darkseid for ya.

Darkseid is on Thanos level so if he got his but kicked from DD and Surfer cannot touch Thanos how will he take DD? Similar logic as my first post but without the crossover.

Originally posted by Jvenom
Darkseid got his butt KOed by DD with ease. Darkseid beat the crap out of the SS with ease. So how can SS beat DD if Darkseid could not?

Originally posted by Jvenom
Darkseid is on Thanos level so if he got his but kicked from DD and Surfer cannot touch Thanos how will he take DD? Similar logic as my first post but without the crossover.

If we're gonna go with the above reasoning (legit or not) we can also have fun with this:
Orion is considered more/less on Superman's level.
SS took out Orion with ease; ergo, he could take out Superman with ease.
Superman beat Doomsday and has stale-mated/beaten Darkseid.
Therefore, Surfer should be able to beat Doomsday, Darkseid AND Thanos.

The problem with all this "logic," with crossovers, with characters on this power level, with who can beat who... P I S. Especially Doomsday, whom many consider The Worst plot device ever.

It's best to keep it simple, working only with what we know about each character: Surfer and Doomsday, and not bring in complicating variables (ie, other characters).

1. For all Doomsday's power, he is still a being a matter, whose power is genetically influenced.
2. Surfer is a master at manipulating matter and energy, down to the subatomic level, before genetic influence kicks in.

The conclusion is obvious.

Originally posted by Mindship
If we're gonna go with the above reasoning (legit or not) we can also have fun with this:
Orion is considered more/less on Superman's level.
SS took out Orion with ease; ergo, he could take out Superman with ease.
Superman beat Doomsday and has stale-mated/beaten Darkseid.
Therefore, Surfer should be able to beat Doomsday, Darkseid AND Thanos.

The problem with all this "logic," with crossovers, with characters on this power level, with who can beat who... [B]P I S. Especially Doomsday, whom many consider The Worst plot device ever.

It's best to keep it simple, working only with what we know about each character: Surfer and Doomsday, and not bring in complicating variables (ie, other characters).

1. For all Doomsday's power, he is still a being a matter, whose power is genetically influenced.
2. Surfer is a master at manipulating matter and energy, down to the subatomic level, before genetic influence kicks in.

The conclusion is obvious. [/B]

see the pattern surfer can BFR him in so many different ways.Oh and in response to your earlier post Surfer would own Thor.

What's to stop Surfer from amping himself to Supes level strength and Knocking Doomsday the **** out.

Originally posted by Skeets
You're reaching for ways for Surfer to pull a win.You don't have to try so hard really Surfer has many options available.

Oh and in response to your earlier post Surfer would own Thor.

There would be no owning in a fight between Surfer and Thor it would be a close match between Surfer and Thor

Originally posted by Mindship
I was trying to be gentle/tactful ... 😇

Darn tootin'...well, maybe not own, but he should be defeating him sometimes, at the very least make them equal. But alas, Marvel canon stands ... sadangel

Originally posted by Broly92
There would be no owning in a fight between Surfer and Thor it would be a close match between Surfer and Thor

Originally posted by Skeets
Not really using all their abilities surfer would own him 8/10.Do you know how easy surfer can seperate the Hammer from Thor.