Originally posted by Skeets
Marvel pretty much has Surfer above him in the [b]"who's more powerful list" If you consider the fact that Thor's gotten his ass handed to him by lesser Heralds in the past (airwalker,Firelord).as far as in comic fights the only wins Thor has were when he was in his Warrior madness mode and even then Surfer wasn't going all out. [/B]
Marvel has a "who's more powerful list"?!? And Surfer's above Thor?!?!?!
Methinks Marvel is a tad schizophrenic, then.
Listen, SS is my fave guy, and I've argued my nuts off as to why he should be able to beat Thor (regular, not WM Thor--that, for the sake of fun battles and comic excitement--I wouldn't expect, perhaps not even want SS to pull off). But I agree with you wholeheartedly: SS should beat Thor, especially now, with Surfer's upgrade, if that means he's back up to pre-sonic-shark levels.
But getting back to topic: DD = toast.
Originally posted by Mindship
Surfer can launch an even more intimate attack, going beyond the genetic level. Since Surfer can transmute elements, this means affecting matter on the subatomic level, manipulating protons and neutrons, where there is no adaptive genetic influence.
Using "time" as an attack on a body is more more difficult to counter than using matter manipulation. Particularly in comics. The omega effect is an all-you-can-eat type of attack, matter manip, time manip, displacement, etc. and DD simply got back up from it.
As for physical attacks, Surfers cosmic energy would have to affect DD in order to work on him. All he's going to get is feedback, anti-cosmic energy, or a serious beatdown.
SS only chance is BFR.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Using "time" as an attack on a body is more more difficult to counter than using matter manipulation. Particularly in comics.As for physical attacks, Surfers cosmic energy would have to affect DD in order to work on him. All he's going to get is feedback, anti-cosmic energy, or a serious beatdown.
SS only chance is BFR.
Originally posted by Skeets
Or amping himself to Supes level of strength and then knocking Doomsday the **** out.
I'm sorry, but this one is ridiculous. SS will never amp up enough to be able to compete with DD on a physical level.
If you have scans of SS being able to amp up to that type of degree agains such a powerful character. Please show it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Using time as an attack on a body is more more difficult to counter than using matter manipulation. Particularly in comics.As for physical attacks, Surfers cosmic energy would have to affect DD in order to work on him. All he's going to get is feedback, anti-cosmic, or a serious beatdown.
SS only chance is BFR.
Power-cosmic feedback is an assumption. Power cosmic does affect matter on the subatomic level, and DD is made of atoms and subatomic particles, a level of reality where genetic influence does not extend (indeed, it is the very arrangement of atoms which yields genetic influence). Regardless, as Skeets pointed out, SS has other options as well by which to take DD out of action.
I gotta ask: what is BFR anyway?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm sorry, but this one is ridiculous. SS will never amp up enough to be able to compete with DD on a physical level.If you have scans of SS being able to amp up to that type of degree agains such a powerful character. Please show it.
Originally posted by Mindship
Power-cosmic feedback is an assumption. Power cosmic does affect matter on the subatomic level, and DD is made of atoms and subatomic particles, a level of reality where genetic influence does not extend (indeed, it is the very arrangement of atoms which yields genetic influence). Regardless, as Skeets pointed out, SS has other options as well by which to take DD out of action.I gotta ask: what is BFR anyway?
Originally posted by Skeets
so waverider did what exactly? Cause I fail to see how he's on Surfer's level.
Of course you would. You simply like SS so much that you don't WANT to see it.
Let's say Waverider decided to de-age SS. SS would be dead.
Let's say Waverider stopped time on SS. SS would be helpless.
Let's say Waverider decided to stop SS nervous system. SS would have a better chance with this one, but still have a hell of a time.
SS could simply reverse time on SS turning him back into Norrin Radd.
These are completely natural to waverider. There aren't any type of
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm sorry, but this one is ridiculous. SS will never amp up enough to be able to compete with DD on a physical level.If you have scans of SS being able to amp up to that type of degree agains such a powerful character. Please show it.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Of course you would. You simply like SS so much that you don't WANT to see it.Let's say Waverider decided to de-age SS. SS would be dead.
Let's say Waverider stopped time on SS. SS would be helpless.
Let's say Waverider decided to stop SS nervous system. SS would have a better chance with this one, but still have a hell of a time.
SS could simply reverse time on SS turning him back into Norrin Radd.These are completely natural to waverider. There aren't any type of
Originally posted by Mindship
Power-cosmic feedback is an assumption. Power cosmic does affect matter on the subatomic level, and DD is made of atoms and subatomic particles, a level of reality where genetic influence does not extend (indeed, it is the very arrangement of atoms which yields genetic influence). Regardless, as Skeets pointed out, SS has other options as well by which to take DD out of action.I gotta ask: what is BFR anyway?
So are Thanos, Thor...etc.
SS can't use these types of attacks on them because they wouldn't work.
You stop time, you stop said movement and arrangement of atoms...
Time manipulation>>>matter manipulation. Every energy used against DD (including GL energy, and the Omega effect) have been null against him. Only Imperiex showed a threat. SS is nowhere near that level.
I agreed earlier about BFR. SS can't beat him any other way.
Originally posted by Skeets
Time means nothing to Surfer...😬 So all those options are gone.
Yeah,I like Surfer he's one of my favorites just like Supes is one of yours...
Why?? Because of 1 silly scan of surfer falling through time?
Please, get serious.
SS has no real time control. Let's not get ridiculous at over hype SS into what he isn't.
I know you like SS, but Waverider would destroy him with the options I provided...and I'm not even a Waverider fan.