Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm not familiar enough with Zoom to honestly answer that question. I do know if he wanted to be a bastard he could do GoG's infinite "clone" attacks.
Originally posted by Skeets
well Zoom's powers revolve around time travel as he's a second ahead of everyone else or something like that.....😕
I've read about it but since I never sat down to read much on Zoom, I didn't want to give you wrong info.
The power you are describing would be effortless for Waverider. He could neutralize it off Zoom easily as well if thats the case.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Classic Thor could also manipulate, and change time, but he wouldn't own SS? I don't see why you think Surfer is on such a low lv?
Classic Thor lost that ability. Didn't he need tech recently from Zarrko the Tomorrow Man just to travel back in time?
I never said SS was on a low level. I agreed that he's powerful, but think that people overestimate him. With his recent "power up" we'll see if my opinion changes.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Classic Thor lost that ability. Didn't he need tech recently from Zarrko the Tomorrow Man just to travel back in time?I never said SS was on a low level. I agreed that he's powerful, but think that people overestimate him. With his recent "power up" we'll see if my opinion changes.
Thats why I said Classic Thor, because King thor didn't have that ability. It's unknown if RTK posses this ability, but im sure we'll find out.
If you think that Silver Surfer is overrated, than you must think that Superman is overrated?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats why I said Classic Thor, because King thor didn't have that ability. It's unknown if RTK posses this ability, but im sure we'll find out.If you think that Silver Surfer is overrated, than you must think that Superman is overrated?
I believe Superman is Underrated on these forums.
Most people on these forums picture him as a flying colossus with gi joe lasers for heat vision. On top of that, god forbid he wins a fight. Whatever character he beats is then automatically regarded as weak and now is open for beatdowns from practically any Marvel character.
You can mention a casual feat for SS and it's automatically accepted.
You can show proof for Superman doing something insane and it's discarded.
The "classic" Thor example is why I don't put much stock in those old feats. King Thor is more powerful yet lacks the abilities of the older thor?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I believe Superman is Underrated on these forums.
Most people on these forums picture him as a flying colossus with gi joe lasers for heat vision.You can mention a casual feat for SS and it's automatically accepted.
You can show proof for Superman doing something insane and it's discarded.The "classic" Thor example is why I don't put much stock in those old feats. King Thor is more powerful yet lacks the abilities of the older thor?
No most people dislike him for how he's written and portrayed, thus the reason most of his plot induced feats are discredited.
People know and understand SS powers, thus they accept when he accomplishes a feat. When someone says Superman has "soul vision" people usually don't accept it, due to the fact that it was plot induced.
The enchantment to manipulate time was taken away from Thor, thus the reason King Thor couldn't manipulate time.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've read about it but since I never sat down to read much on Zoom, I didn't want to give you wrong info.The power you are describing would be effortless for Waverider. He could neutralize it off Zoom easily as well if thats the case.
time travel yeah. He did it on a whim before. i'm not sure about sending people with a thought though (on a side note: i recall WV not being able to do the same on H/P and basically needed supes assistance). Transmutation of something that could hold doomsday for a while will come in to play like an adamantium wrapping and such.
Basically even BFR to another dimension of nothingness would do as well. A portal to where korvac of what if destroyed the whole universe might be of use.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
No most people dislike him for how he's written and portrayed, thus the reason most of his plot induced feats are discredited.People know and understand SS powers, thus they accept when he accomplishes a feat. When someone says Superman has "soul vision" people usually don't accept it, due to the fact that it was plot induced.
The enchantment to manipulate time was taken away from Thor, thus the reason King Thor couldn't manipulate time.
That's a nice way to put "since I dislike him, I'll discredit what I don't agree with to keep him at the power level I want him to be at." Superman pulls absolutely INSANE feats on a regular basis.
All characters do this type of overcoming thing, not just Superman. People don't really seem to complain much about the others.
Look at this thread alone. Surfer is being trumped as this high level time traveller just through assumption. When it's shown that Waverider has mastery of time, the stank attiutudes came out with snyde questions/comments.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's a nice way to put "since I dislike him, I'll discredit what I don't agree with to keep him at the power level I want him to be at."All characters do this type of overcoming thing, not just Superman. People don't really seem to complain much about the others.
Look at this thread alone. Surfer is being trumped as this high level time traveller just through assumption. When it's shown that Waverider has mastery of time, the stank attiutudes came out with snyde questions/comments.
Ok Waverider has mastery of time, why didn't he use it against DD? just because waverider fell to DD, it doesn't mean SS will.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That would be his best chance. In this case, he should be able to do this
with about anyone. Thanos, or WM thor for example. Unfortunately, since is isn't a natural way for SS. I find it to be null. Sorry.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes had a motherbox amping him AND was with Waverider.
With a motherbox, Supes should have had all of SS options.
For why flash and other travelers can't beat him. Refer to the scan above.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor once had the power to manipulate time, but he would never be able to "own SS". Because of this it shouldn't be speculated that Waverider could "own" SS because he has control over time.
Thor had complete mastery of time? If that's so, he should have owned SS very easily.
That should be for the SS vs Thor thread. Bring it up over there, I'm sure everyone would be pleased. 😉
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That's a nice way to put "since I dislike him, I'll discredit what I don't agree with to keep him at the power level I want him to be at." Superman pulls absolutely INSANE feats on a regular basis.All characters do this type of overcoming thing, not just Superman. People don't really seem to complain much about the others.
Look at this thread alone. Surfer is being trumped as this high level time traveller just through assumption. When it's shown that Waverider has mastery of time, the stank attiutudes came out with snyde questions/comments.
Originally posted by Accel
Well, Thor can fly and Surfer won't experience the same CIS here that he does with Thanos.Was he necessarily amped tot hat great of a degree though? And was Waverider actually trying to take down DD using all of his powers? Could WR just simply freeze DD in time?
well yeah.. that's eventually what they ended up doing too....
well not freezing it per se but using it to stailmate dd's evolve tactic...
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thor had complete mastery of time? If that's so, he should have owned SS very easily.That should be for the SS vs Thor thread. Bring it up over there, I'm sure everyone would be pleased. 😉
I don't think he had complete mastery of time, but he could manipulate it.
For example, during the Ragnarok arc Thor stated he wished that he still possessed the power to manipulate time, so he could go back and bring those who fell in battle back to life.