Surfer has combat speed.
Originally posted by carver9
I would love to see Doomsday best travel speed ft that proves he can cover the distance between the two before Surfer could react...Surfer searches an entire planet in seconds...
Circles an enemy at FTL speeds...
Microsecond reaction...
Microsecond speed...
Faster than a nano second...
https:. //m.imgur.com/YYtA2F4
Fast enough to track teleportation...
Cant wait to see Doomsday speed fts. Also, are you all implying that once Doomsday blitz, he is going to one shot Surfer? There are a lot of showings that happened in DOS that contradicts that.
1. How did Surfer search? Did he go a certain distance and scan using the power cosmic?
2. Microseconds and nanosecond could be hyperbole.
3. Dude was moving as an energy source before reappearing. Surfer was following the energy source. That's not a speed feat.
4. Characters fight at full capacity. So DD is not going to one shot SS but he will seriously stun him with a blow. DD is fast and can tack on other hits in little time. SS can find himself koed in a matter of moments.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Surfer has combat speed.
Of course SS does. No one is denying that.
But is it fast enough?
Remember Superman has combat speed too but he complained (as well as others) of DD speed.
Also space feats are different from feats in an atmosphere where large drag forces exists. Surfer will not move as fast in an atmosphere.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course SS does. No one is denying that.
But is it fast enough?
Remember Superman has combat speed too but he complained (as well as others) of DD speed.Also space feats are different from feats in an atmosphere where large drag forces exists. Surfer will not move as fast in an atmosphere.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Do you know exactly how Surfer atomize that being? Was it disintegration from a blast? Can Surfer do the same thing to any high Herald level being?2. The Omega beams, at half power, atomized a missile so durable that Superman couldn't put a scratch on, using all of his might. In other words, the Omega beams were shown to be many orders of magnitude above Superman. Yet DD tanked them without visible damage. That missile was more durable than the being Surfer atomized.
3. Surfer traveling through space (no drag forces) can not be used as combat speed (reaction and thinking speed and power activation speed). Drag force becomes astronomical when traveling at large speeds in an atmosphere.
With that said, here are some facts.
1. Surfer's blasts wouldn't phase DD in the slightest.
2. Surfer doesn't have reaction and perception speed greater than Superman.
3. Surfer is very weak against powerful punches and blunt attacks.
You gave 2 sets of 1-2-3’s! Lol either way it seems like you’re making some stretches (still not showing any scans) but yeah:
Do I know how surfer atomized Proctor’s Tiger Guy? Um. Exactly how? SS has matter manipulation as a power... He has atomized organic and non organic material before like rock, weapons, people, Hulk’s radiation/powers. But it was not a “blast.”
Again, brushing off Omega Beams is the one feat here with some relevance to what I’m saying but, they are very inconsistent in the comics. What are they exactly? Didn’t Superman himself also brush them off and even deflect them with heat vision another time?? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/09/2b/6b092bad2f2d50abde00bd524b132c7b.jpg Why wouldn’t DD be able to shrug off the little OBs? Also, a missile, even a big durable missile, is impressive, but I don’t think as impressive as DD, wouldn’t you agree?
Here I found a scan I was asking for. It’s what happens when DD faces actually matter manipulation: https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105597/4322385-9684615726-28454.jpg
So I think saying “Surfer’s blasts wouldn’t harm DD in the slightest” is a bit disingenuous but I really do appreciate the actual engagement.
Now as fas as Speed goes, just like Superman and Flash, yes SS has been hit by many non-speedsters. I honestly believe the speed argument is moot because he is so durable. There are dozens of instances of Surfer allowing himself to be sucker-punched by bricks, and it does zero damage to him.
You must know to say he is “weak against powerful punches and blunt attacks” can be utterly disproved in dozens, maybe 100s of comics?
Again I really appreciate the engagement. I’m so, so lonely
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Surfer has combat speed.
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Originally posted by h1a8
Of course SS does. No one is denying that.
But is it fast enough?
Remember Superman has combat speed too but he complained (as well as others) of DD speed.Also space feats are different from feats in an atmosphere where large drag forces exists. Surfer will not move as fast in an atmosphere.
Point is Surfer himself considers Speed one of his primary and most dangerous powers.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
You gave 2 sets of 1-2-3’s! Lol either way it seems like you’re making some stretches (still not showing any scans) but yeah:Do I know how surfer atomized Proctor’s Tiger Guy? Um. Exactly how? SS has matter manipulation as a power... He has atomized organic and non organic material before like rock, weapons, people, Hulk’s radiation/powers. But it was not a “blast.”
Again, brushing off Omega Beams is the one feat here with some relevance to what I’m saying but, they are very inconsistent in the comics. What are they exactly? Didn’t Superman himself also brush them off and even deflect them with heat vision another time?? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/09/2b/6b092bad2f2d50abde00bd524b132c7b.jpg Why wouldn’t DD be able to shrug off the little OBs? Also, a missile, even a big durable missile, is impressive, but I don’t think as impressive as DD, wouldn’t you agree?
Here I found a scan I was asking for. It’s what happens when DD faces actually matter manipulation: https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105597/4322385-9684615726-28454.jpg
So I think saying “Surfer’s blasts wouldn’t harm DD in the slightest” is a bit disingenuous but I really do appreciate the actual engagement.
Now as fas as Speed goes, just like Superman and Flash, yes SS has been hit by many non-speedsters. I honestly believe the speed argument is moot because he is so durable. There are dozens of instances of Surfer allowing himself to be sucker-punched by bricks, and it does zero damage to him.
You must know to say he is “weak against powerful punches and blunt attacks” can be utterly disproved in dozens, maybe 100s of comics?
Again I really appreciate the engagement. I’m so, so lonely
It appeared to be a blast of energy, not MM. So no dice on that one.
Even so, could Surfer do that to all beings that have no feats against MM?
The OB in that comic was written to be nigh powerful. I'll post scans when I get a chance. We go by the portrayal of the comic where the feat occurred, not later comics (where Superman is significantly more powerful). The OB atomized something far more durable than the tiger. Common sense comes next.
Imperiex used the power of entropy to achieve that feat. You can't compare Surfer's blasts to Imperiex blasts. You will be laughed at and possibly warned for trolling.
DD is stronger than any brick that Surfer got struck by and did 0 damage or stun effect (not many times this happened though). Your comparison logic is flawed and weak. That's like comparing hits from Thing level characters to hits from Superman. You have to show Surfer no selling hits from beings as powerful or more powerful than DD to have a valid argument.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
👆Point is Surfer himself considers Speed one of his primary and most dangerous powers.
I agree that Surfer is fast but so is Superman. That's the point.
Someone able to hit 5 beings at the same time (one being Superman and complaining of his speed) is an insane speed feat.
Basically what was the writer trying to portray for DD's speed?
I agree with H1 on one thing - Space flight doesnt equal true speed. I've argued this for yrs. If that's the case though, wouldn't that discredit 99% of the Heralds that have been argued throughout KMC as being light speed since almost none of them have true light speed showings on an atmospheric planet?
Yeah I don’t know man. Your arguments are very subjective to me. He’s holding the Tiger Man as he’s atomized. How can you say no dice just because you interpret that as a “blast”?
My point about the OB is that they are very inconsistent and you sort of just proved my point. It seems you only want to consider the highest showings of DDs prior opponents and the lowest (conceptual) showings of Surfer.
Again, I’m not even suggesting Surfer stomps 10/10. I’m just saying they are much more evenly matched than many people here are letting on, and anyone who suggests something other than “DD stomps 10/10” is mocked, laughed at, and now accused of trolling lol
It’s just not cut and dry. DD, Superman, and Darkseid are all all over the place. Surfer has demonstrated a symposium of abilities and immunities to types of attacks that makes him capable of beating any of them. You’re not gonna convince of otherwise unless you can demonstrate DD has an immunity to Surfer’s atomization, which you still haven’t done, or demonstrate Surfer getting utterly stomped by a brick like DD
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Yeah I don’t know man. Your arguments are very subjective to me. He’s holding the Tiger Man as he’s atomized. How can you say no dice just because you interpret that as a “blast”?My point about the OB is that they are very inconsistent and you sort of just proved my point. It seems you only want to consider the highest showings of DDs prior opponents and the lowest (conceptual) showings of Surfer.
Again, I’m not even suggesting Surfer stomps 10/10. I’m just saying they are much more evenly matched than many people here are letting on, and anyone who suggests something other than “DD stomps 10/10” is mocked, laughed at, and now accused of trolling lol
It’s just not cut and dry. DD, Superman, and Darkseid are all all over the place. Surfer has demonstrated a symposium of abilities and immunities to types of attacks that makes him capable of beating any of them. You’re not gonna convince of otherwise unless you can demonstrate DD has an immunity to Surfer’s atomization, which you still haven’t done, or demonstrate Surfer getting utterly stomped by a brick like DD
The OB is inconsistent from one comic from one writer to a comic years later by another writer.
The OB in that arc was written consistently from that writer. Im only using feats from the OB in the same arc DD tanked it. I'm not using the highest showings from a different arc and comparing it to what DD did.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Yeah I don’t know man. Your arguments are very subjective to me. He’s holding the Tiger Man as he’s atomized. How can you say no dice just because you interpret that as a “blast”?My point about the OB is that they are very inconsistent and you sort of just proved my point. It seems you only want to consider the highest showings of DDs prior opponents and the lowest (conceptual) showings of Surfer.
Again, I’m not even suggesting Surfer stomps 10/10. I’m just saying they are much more evenly matched than many people here are letting on, and anyone who suggests something other than “DD stomps 10/10” is mocked, laughed at, and now accused of trolling lol
It’s just not cut and dry. DD, Superman, and Darkseid are all all over the place. Surfer has demonstrated a symposium of abilities and immunities to types of attacks that makes him capable of beating any of them. You’re not gonna convince of otherwise unless you can demonstrate DD has an immunity to Surfer’s atomization, which you still haven’t done, or demonstrate Surfer getting utterly stomped by a brick like DD
The OB is inconsistent from one comic from one writer to a comic years later by another writer. It has only 1 low showing. A
The OB in that arc was written consistently from that writer. Im only using feats from the OB in the same arc DD tanked it. I'm not using the highest showings from a different arc and comparing it to what DD did.
Lastly, I said no dice because you did not prove that it was purely MM and not blast energy. Therefore you can't support your claim.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with H1 on one thing - Space flight doesnt equal true speed. I've argued this for yrs. If that's the case though, wouldn't that discredit 99% of the Heralds that have been argued throughout KMC as being light speed since almost none of them have true light speed showings on an atmospheric planet?
Carver light speed in an atmosphere is CIS, for a tangible character. Something has to give or it would likely end all life on that planet, or cause irreversible damage to the planet due to drag.
Scans here,
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https://i.postimg.cc/PJqPDwZ0/2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Pf6LjSnH/3.jpg
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From Fantastic Four #545
