Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

Originally posted by carver9
So killing Superman is the key to having Flash like speed? Tred carefully with that question. Also, Superman did comment on his speed but he commented on other people speed around the same era that isnt anywhere close to Surfer level or Flash level speeds.

🙂

He didn't say that. Stop changing people's arguments.
He said that Superman (a speedster) complained of his speed. In Superman's own words, "his speed.", after DD blitz the entire league simultaneously. How do you hit 5 different people at the same time (including Superman who complained about his speed) without being insanely fast?

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't say that. Stop changing people's arguments.
He said that Superman (a speedster) complained of his speed. In Superman's own words, "his speed.", after DD blitz the entire league simultaneously. How do you hit 5 different people at the same time (including Superman who complained about his speed) without being insanely fast?

👆. Moreover, I added the killing part because we all know fights don't necessarily mean both sides are giving it their all..

But in a fight to the death? Yes, they are.

I don't know fellas. Why is it so cut and dry that Surfer loses? Because DD beat up Darkseid once? So has Superman. Because DD took an Omega Beam? One of the most inconsistent attacks in comics?

I think it's well within reason Surfer can take down Darkseid, DD, or Superman. I think it's well within reason for him to lose to any three of those as well, but Surfer has so much freakin power at his disposal, outside of black hole creation, it's ridiculous. Didn't he destroy someone's soul in the astral plane?? I mean DD probably does not have a soul anyway but, I'm way more comfortable saying Surfer is a ridiculous character than saying DD stomps 10/10

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
I don't know fellas. Why is it so cut and dry that Surfer loses? Because DD beat up Darkseid once? So has Superman. Because DD took an Omega Beam? One of the most inconsistent attacks in comics?

I think it's well within reason Surfer can take down Darkseid, DD, or Superman. I think it's well within reason for him to lose to any three of those as well, but Surfer has so much freakin power at his disposal, outside of black hole creation, it's ridiculous. Didn't he destroy someone's soul in the astral plane?? I mean DD probably does not have a soul anyway but, I'm way more comfortable saying Surfer is a ridiculous character than saying DD stomps 10/10

How would Surfer even hurt DD? Give me some examples of various attacks that Surfeycan employ.

Originally posted by h1a8
How would Surfer even hurt DD? Give me some examples of various attacks that Surfeycan employ.

Just off the top of my head in the 2011 Fraction Defenders run he turned a guy into atoms!

http://i.imgur.com/hTPkcFF.jpg

Has someone already done that to DD?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
500m starting distance, when the thread starter doesn't specify.

No, you can't trip me up that easily 😈

Assume of course that both combatants know how to use their weapons. THAT is the loophole you should have tried to go for, before I addressed it and closed it up.

But if you think a knife user (note, you haven't assumed it's in a pocket etc....Bias already showing!) Can cover 500m before a trained gunman can draw and fire....🙂

I'm trying to understand your sh_t analogy and you bring up the starting distance in a forum match? I guess I should start asking you to provide Doomsday gunslinging feats now? 500 meters is such a gulf for these slowpokes too ahah

Also why does that burden even fall on Surfer? What can DD do to HIM? The man travels light years in seconds! He surfs on Super Novas!

EDIT:

I have to get back to work but very curious will return later

Originally posted by Galan007
carver, the full capacity rule Pr spelled out for you a while back doesn't entail you just making up random, esoteric abilities that a character has never once used during a battle in their entire character history... and pretending like said ability will be their initial go-to tactic in a versus thread.

The argument has been fighting to the best of their abilities which has been stated throughout the arguments made recently. It was outright said that if the character is capable of doing something (speed is an example), they should be able to utilize their ability if they are smart enough. Surfer has shown on more than 1 occasion that he can do exactly what I said.

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't say that. Stop changing people's arguments.
He said that Superman (a speedster) complained of his speed. In Superman's own words, "his speed.", after DD blitz the entire league simultaneously. How do you hit 5 different people at the same time (including Superman who complained about his speed) without being insanely fast?

You cant apply Superman or Flash fastest speeds to Doomsday. Also, Flash and Superman must be the slowest speedsters on the face of Earth. You do know that humans stood there and watched the entire fight, all the way down to the last punch. At one point, Lois was standing right beside them, talling to Superman while he was heat visioning Doomsday. Do you really think I will accept that fight as an indication if Doomsday blitzing Surfer, let alone covering the distance between them instantly?

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Just off the top of my head in the 2011 Fraction Defenders run he turned a guy into atoms!

http://i.imgur.com/hTPkcFF.jpg

Has someone already done that to DD?

That being wasn't as durable as DD.
Any Herald can atomize a human. Not saying that it was a human but it wasn't high Herald level durability.

Originally posted by carver9
The argument has been fighting to the best of their abilities which has been stated throughout the arguments made recently. It was outright said that if the character is capable of doing something (speed is an example), they should be able to utilize their ability if they are smart enough. Surfer has shown on more than 1 occasion that he can do exactly what I said.

You weren't listening.
1. You have to prove that Surfer can do it
2. You have to prove that Surfer would think of it out the gate over the other million powers he has.

Originally posted by carver9
You cant apply Superman or Flash fastest speeds to Doomsday. Also, Flash and Superman must be the slowest speedsters on the face of Earth. You do know that humans stood there and watched the entire fight, all the way down to the last punch. At one point, Lois was standing right beside them, talling to Superman while he was heat visioning Doomsday. Do you really think I will accept that fight as an indication if Doomsday blitzing Surfer, let alone covering the distance between them instantly?

That is one of the dumbest shits you’ve said lately. It’s comics my dude.

Superman and DD’s fight shook the planet itself, and the humans were fine because it was a comic.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has shown on more than 1 occasion that he can do exactly what I said.

Originally posted by h1a8
That being wasn't as durable as DD.
Any Herald can atomize a human. Not saying that it was a human but it wasn't high Herald level durability.

Honest question: what does "durability" have to do with atomization? If surfer can sublimate rocks into a gas, and atomize both organic and nonorganic matter, what difference does it make?

This fight is not cut and dry no matter what. That's my point. That's why I necro'd it

Show me a scan of DD surviving an attempted atomization!

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Honest question: what does "durability" have to do with atomization? If surfer can sublimate rocks into a gas, and atomize both organic and nonorganic matter, what difference does it make?

This fight is not cut and dry no matter what. That's my point. That's why I necro'd it

Show me a scan of DD surviving an attempted atomization!

Originally posted by carver9
You cant apply Superman or Flash fastest speeds to Doomsday. Also, Flash and Superman must be the slowest speedsters on the face of Earth. You do know that humans stood there and watched the entire fight, all the way down to the last punch. At one point, Lois was standing right beside them, talling to Superman while he was heat visioning Doomsday. Do you really think I will accept that fight as an indication if Doomsday blitzing Surfer, let alone covering the distance between them instantly?

Now you are trolling.
I gave a quantifiable example (DD striking 5 beings at the same time).

When doing comparisons we always assume that the character being compared against is at average levels unless evidence for the contrary exists.

Superman wasn't always moving fast when he fought DD.
The example you gave with Lois is a prime example.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
because comics
Seriously, in comics beings have “resistance and durability” to this

Ok fine but, when has DD demonstrated a "resistance" to atomization?

Originally posted by Galan007
Scans of Surfer creating a black hole inside his opponent on more than one occasion, please.

Come on Galan. Your question is like me asking you to post a scan of the Avengers or JLA, one of their single, upper members (minus flash of course) fighting at light speed or anywhere close to it. It doesnt exist. Crazy thing is, what I said about Surfer does exist.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are trolling.
I gave a quantifiable example (DD striking 5 beings at the same time).

When doing comparisons we always assume that the character being compared against is at average levels unless evidence for the contrary exists.

Superman wasn't always moving fast when he fought DD.
The example you gave with Lois is a prime example.

This post doesnt make one bit of sense. Scan of Doomsday hitting 5 beings at once.

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Galan. Your question is like me asking you to post a scan of the Avengers or JLA, one of their single, upper members (minus flash of course) fighting at light speed or anywhere close to it. It doesnt exist. Crazy thing is, what I said about Surfer does exist.

SO superman dragging wonder woman to the sun isnt light speed or anywhere close to it?