Silver Surfer vs Doomsday

Yeah, that scan is as valid as Batman kicking the Spectre.

Adam was just joking around, though.

Originally posted by Stoic
Carver light speed in an atmosphere is CIS, for a tangible character. Something has to give or it would likely end all life on that planet, or cause irreversible damage to the planet due to drag.

There are characters that have moved ar light speed on a planet. All I'm saying is, there isnt any drag in space. An argument can be made for Ironman, Ms. Marvel, etc, being light speed if space flight was a consideration of speed.

So according to you we have to absolutely consider the drag that would vaporise the atmosphere even when it clearly doesn't vaporises the atmosphere?

Surfer shrinks, flies inside of Doomsday, create numerous of black holes. Or he can just absorb him in his board. Even if you factor in Doomsday covering the distance and punching Surfer before he could react, based off Surfer fts, he would withstand it and based off showings during DOS, Surfer would probably weather the punch just fine...

Booster Gold was ok. Knocked out but ok without his shields from a beatdown...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111223884/4667849-dos14.jpg

Guy Gardner got his head stepped on AND punched and received a beatdown without his shields and he lived. Doomsday does not hold back...

So why are we ignoring Surfer's lows, but using Doomsday's lows? I thought you were arguing full capacity Carver?

Also, where does it say DoS Doomsday?

Lol... someone conjured another Doomsday thread because they didn't like the results of the other one. Doomsday still get a blackhole opened in him or he gets bfred for the 10/10. Surfer could go intangible and absorb Doomsday dry of solar energy.

Does Doomsday have a soul? Dont think this has been confirmed. Surfer snatch his soul clean out of his body.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... someone conjured another Doomsday thread because they didn't like the results of the other one. Doomsday still get a blackhole opened in him or he gets bfred for the 10/10. Surfer could go intangible and absorb Doomsday dry of solar energy.

Does Doomsday have a soul? Dont think this has been confirmed. Surfer snatch his soul clean out of his body.

But you now need to showcase Surfer being durable enough to stand up to Doomsday's punches, without using low showings.
Otherwise, Surfer and the Mexicans will get used. Silver Surfer getting tagged by Rhino. Mr. Fantastic. Absorbing Man. Super Skrull.

Not using them, btw. Just interested how you straight away jumped at him with Booster Gold, when you ignore, for example, WWH failing to KO Beast in one hit' or getting bloodied by Thing etc.

Booster is from the future. He has seen all that has happened in DC. Moreover, he's a bit of a fanboy:

And that was a Doomsday who was severely drained, btw. No solar rads for 150,000 years, having fought The Radiant and expended his energies etc.

As for a soul ...I personally don't think he does, just because he wasn't sentient per se, until Doomsday Rex (so the inferior clone):

He was just a mindless brute. He had intelligence, yes, but that doesn't make one sentient. It's like asking if an animal has a soul.

Originally posted by Bentley
So according to you we have to absolutely consider the drag that would vaporise the atmosphere even when it clearly doesn't vaporises the atmosphere?

According to me? I did say CIS right? Pay attention bonne homme.

Originally posted by carver9

Does Doomsday have a soul? Dont think this has been confirmed. Surfer snatch his soul clean out of his body.

Doomsday clone(inferior Doomsday) completely immune to katana's attacks

https://i.postimg.cc/GrszKZ8j/1.jpg

Edit:
BTW, Deadman once trying to possessing Doomsday but it doesn't work IIRC

Yeah Y'all, let's go off track in all kinds of directions in order to forget that the Surfer can simply whip up a black hole at the start of the fight, fly away, and watch as the flightless Doomsday gets pulled in. But yeah, let's discuss Doomsday's soul, or lack thereof.

Erm, we were answering Carver's question, my good man.

But yeah. If we're using full capacity, a weakened starved Doomsday was still faster than Flash.

He blitzes Surfer before he even registers anything about black holes

TBH, I skimmed most pages so I really don't know the details*shrug*, Just answering something I glanced 😑

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm, we were answering Carver's question, my good man.

But yeah. If we're using full capacity, a weakened starved Doomsday was still faster than Flash.

He blitzes Surfer before he even registers anything about black holes

You realize that the Surfer at full capacity has cosmic awareness? This is something that the Flash doesn't possess ATM. You should also realize that at full capacity, this is the Surfer's fight to lose against the flightless Doomsday who leaps to the point of flight without being able to truly maneuver. See, at first I thought that you were actually neutral, and argued based on logic, but now I see that you clearly aren't. You do recall how long it took for the Surfer to move over a light year right? How fast is that per second? Hmmmm.

Originally posted by Stoic
You realize that the Surfer at full capacity has cosmic awareness? This is something that the Flash doesn't possess ATM. You should also realize that at full capacity, this is the Surfer's fight to lose against the flightless Doomsday who leaps to the point of flight without being able to truly maneuver. See, at first I thought that you were actually neutral, and argued based on logic, but now I see that you clearly aren't. You do recall how long it took for the Surfer to move over a light year right? How fast is that per second? Hmmmm.

Not sure how cosmic awareness helps with reaction speeds?

When the match starts, they both start on the ground.

You do recall how fast Flash can move right? Hmmmmm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you now need to showcase Surfer being durable enough to stand up to Doomsday's punches, without using low showings.
Otherwise, Surfer and the Mexicans will get used. Silver Surfer getting tagged by Rhino. Mr. Fantastic. Absorbing Man. Super Skrull.

Not using them, btw. Just interested how you straight away jumped at him with Booster Gold, when you ignore, for example, WWH failing to KO Beast in one hit' or getting bloodied by Thing etc.

Booster is from the future. He has seen all that has happened in DC. Moreover, he's a bit of a fanboy:

And that was a Doomsday who was severely drained, btw. No solar rads for 150,000 years, having fought The Radiant and expended his energies etc.

As for a soul ...I personally don't think he does, just because he wasn't sentient per se, until Doomsday Rex (so the inferior clone):

He was just a mindless brute. He had intelligence, yes, but that doesn't make one sentient. It's like asking if an animal has a soul.

Hes durable enough to withstand hits from Doomsday. I could post him surviving black holes, tanking planets exploding on him, withstanding hits from Mjlonir, Hulk, Bill's, attacks from Galactus, Tenebrous and Aegis. Doomsday isnt one punching him.

You're naming hyperbole statements as an indication of Doomsday speed. Then you're using one statement. Post fts of his speed. That is what we go by. Using statements, Hulk is the most powerful being in existence. Hulk is more powerful than Celestials. Hulk is more powerful than the Phoenix force. Hulk is the most powerful being in the Universe. Get it?

Fts and beating up on Superman isnt a ft. Especially when that era of Superman even admits he cant go light speed...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41491708/SmartSelect_20190705-103313_Chrome.jpg.html

Then we have DC comics Anatomy of metahuman confirming Superman as not being FTL or light speed, period...

https://i.imgur.com/oAZbTVk.jpg

Surfer on the other hand achieves this with great ease and Flash does as well. This doesnt even Matter though. You need to provide fts displaying Doomsday speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not sure how cosmic awareness helps with reaction speeds?

When the match starts, they both start on the ground.

You do recall how fast Flash can move right? Hmmmmm.

Stop giving Doomsday Flash speed fts. It...does...not...work...like...that. At this point, you're trolling. I already posted reaction fts for Surfer that is within the nano seconds. Its up to you to prove Doomsday can cover the distance and take out Surfer. Stop trolling.

The same era Superman...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111151571/5000953-9350172372-36636.jpg

His speed was suspect. He possessed amazing speed but his high ends didnt show up until later after his career. Not during this era...

So, do people not understand that the "no Superman in VS threads" thing is still in effect? Or what?

Carver, you'll only get away with ignoring and/or reinterpreting the rules so much, you know.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes durable enough to withstand hits from Doomsday. I could post him surviving black holes, tanking planets exploding on him, withstanding hits from Mjlonir, Hulk, Bill's, attacks from Galactus, Tenebrous and Aegis. Doomsday isnt one punching him.

You're naming hyperbole statements as an indication of Doomsday speed. Then you're using one statement. Post fts of his speed. That is what we go by. Using statements, Hulk is the most powerful being in existence. Hulk is more powerful than Celestials. Hulk is more powerful than the Phoenix force. Hulk is the most powerful being in the Universe. Get it?

Fts and beating up on Superman isnt a ft. Especially when that era of Superman even admits he cant go light speed...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41491708/SmartSelect_20190705-103313_Chrome.jpg.html

Then we have DC comics Anatomy of metahuman confirming Superman as not being FTL or light speed, period...

https://i.imgur.com/oAZbTVk.jpg

Surfer on the other hand achieves this with great ease and Flash does as well. This doesnt even Matter though. You need to provide fts displaying Doomsday speed.

Superman during this era was capable of moving within nanoseconds within a timestop:.
https://m.imgur.com/a/1c8pTn8

In college, was capable of moving with microseconds (so when he was weaker):
https://m.imgur.com/IyR6L1C

Was capable of blitzing energy beings:
https://m.imgur.com/a/V3ANlZs

Perceives time on a nanosecond level:
https://m.imgur.com/a/q6wrVoI

Etc etc. And still, THIS Superman, was complaining about Doomsday's speed:
https://m.imgur.com/a/FNuvOtn

And here:
https://m.imgur.com/a/2SxQdkQ

And again, this is a vastly weakened Doomsday we're talking about, relative to his usual levels.

'Beating up Superman' is a way to low-ball it. He physically beat him to death, and no one has ever done it before or since.

And he SPECIFICALLY commented on his speed. So yeah, it's totally a feat.

You say it's hyperbolic....but it's backed up by a rather impressive feat.

Edit: just saw Pr's post. Won't do it again.

Originally posted by carver9

Then we have DC comics Anatomy of metahuman confirming Superman as not being FTL or light speed, period...

https://i.imgur.com/oAZbTVk.jpg

"To do that(reach to the speed of light) he would have to convert into energy"
"So how is superman capable of crossing interstellar disntaces in days rather than centuries"
https://i.imgur.com/oAZbTVk.jpg

So basically batman just explaining why Superman not has some side effects when he appeared to be the light speed