Seems to me that many here are pegging the Surfer in the same light as they would peg Guy Gardner. The Surfer is much stronger. I'd actually give him the initial strength advantage with enough power to destroy planets. Why wouldn't the Surfer simply create a black hole in Doomsday's gut? He's a mindless killing machine. He never has to get within striking distance. All of this bullshit about him flying in blasting and if that doesn't work he flies in chin first is just that, bullshit.
He doesn't even need to do that, he can simply send Doomsday through time with a simple wave of his hand. No killing, and efficient.
My point is that people are weirdly saying that he would fly and blast against Hulk (when this has never worked in the past), thus making Surfer out to be the stupidest character ever.
Or now, the argument is that despite it being a forum fight, Surfer will take it easy on his friend, lmao. I mean, is this the case with all heroes? Cap Vs Panther, they'll both take it easy because they're friends and allies? Batman Vs Nightwing, they both take it easy as they're friends? No, we assume they're fighting to win.
Yet Surfer makes a special case for Hulk. 'oh, it's my friend ,I better do the exact same thing I always do, oh it's Doomsday, better fight to win!!'
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah? Quote the rule that says so.....I can almost guarantee you have misunderstood it.
Quote you the rules where it say Superman would fight Doomsday different because he knows him or Martian Manhunter would fight Amazo different than say, Juggernaut because he knows him? You've been here long enough to know this.
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Seems like they would fight people they KNOW differently, lol.
And yes, I know it's saying that one person would go all out against people that they know based on the powerset but it's mentioning they know them personally as well and Surfer and Hulk ARE friends and he WILL fight Hulk with that mindset. The examples they used were villains. In this case, Surfer would not see Hulk as a villain, more as a friend that he would need to take down.
Lmao you are an idiot.
Firstly, those CIP rules are for characters holding back to not harm civilians or buildings.
Secondly, the rules SPECIFICALLY say this does NOT mean they fight like idiots.
Thirdly, how does that even apply to your example, lol. If anything, it DISPROVES your example. Surfer knows who Hulk is, and doesn't know who Doomsday is - so as per the rules you quoted, he would go all out against Hulk, but would hold back against Doomsday as he's an unknown.
Lol.
Edit: there's ZERO alllusion to fights being affected by whether they are friends or not, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao you are an idiot.Firstly, those CIP rules are for characters holding back to not harm civilians or buildings.
Secondly, the rules SPECIFICALLY say this does NOT mean they fight like idiots.
Thirdly, how does that even apply to your example, lol. If anything, it DISPROVES your example. Surfer knows who Hulk is, and doesn't know who Doomsday is - so as per the rules you quoted, he would go all out against Hulk, but would hold back against Doomsday as he's an unknown.
Lol.
Edit: there's ZERO alllusion to fights being affected by whether they are friends or not, lol.
1. The part of the rules I posted outright states the characters will go all out depending on who they fought (Martian Manhunter vs Amazo).
2. Them fighting in character doesn't mean they are fighting like idiots.
Villains were used in their examples. Superman would bathe Darkseid in heat vision, punch him with all his might but he will not do the same vs Martian Manhunter because that is out of character. Flash would hit Zoom with light speed punches, phase through Superboy Prime but he will not do the same against Jubilee or Deathstroke because it's out of character. Surfer will bash Doomsday face in because basic knowledge have him as a killing machine with Superman level strength and durability but Surfer will not do that against Hulk because Hulk is a friend. Same applies to Hulk. Hulk will not attempt to rip Surfer in half.
The combatants have common knowledge of each other. It's not as if the Surfer has no knowledge of Doomsday like when Superman first encountered him. He goes in with the knowledge that Doomsday is a chaotic murderous creature. Why would he hold back? That's right he wouldn't, nor would he approach a forum battle like a pacifist. He'd go all out with what he has at his disposal.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He doesn't even need to do that, he can simply send Doomsday through time with a simple wave of his hand. No killing, and efficient.My point is that people are weirdly saying that he would fly and blast against Hulk (when this has never worked in the past), thus making Surfer out to be the stupidest character ever.
Or now, the argument is that despite it being a forum fight, Surfer will take it easy on his friend, lmao. I mean, is this the case with all heroes? Cap Vs Panther, they'll both take it easy because they're friends and allies? Batman Vs Nightwing, they both take it easy as they're friends? No, we assume they're fighting to win.
Yet Surfer makes a special case for Hulk. 'oh, it's my friend ,I better do the exact same thing I always do, oh it's Doomsday, better fight to win!!'
The Surfer defeats the Hulk due to his ability to hijack his power. He never has to kill him because he is aware of this. In their first encounter ever, Norrin simply drained the energy from the Hulk returning him to his base human form. This isn't how he'd approach Doomsday because they aren't the same characters despite looking somewhat similar. The argument that h1 seems to be leaning towards is about as likely as you putting out a stove fire with your hands despite have an extinguisher within reaching distance. The Surfer has the advantage going in against Doomsday.
Originally posted by carver9
1. The part of the rules I posted outright states the characters will go all out depending on who they fought (Martian Manhunter vs Amazo).2. Them fighting in character doesn't mean they are fighting like idiots.
Villains were used in their examples. Superman would bathe Darkseid in heat vision, punch him with all his might but he will not do the same vs Martian Manhunter because that is out of character. Flash would hit Zoom with light speed punches, phase through Superboy Prime but he will not do the same against Jubilee or Deathstroke because it's out of character. Surfer will bash Doomsday face in because basic knowledge have him as a killing machine with Superman level strength and durability but Surfer will not do that against Hulk because Hulk is a friend. Same applies to Hulk. Hulk will not attempt to rip Surfer in half.
Yeah, you have grossly misunderstood the rules as per usual, and are just twisting them to fit your interpretation.
Originally posted by carver9
1. The part of the rules I posted outright states the characters will go all out depending on who they fought (Martian Manhunter vs Amazo).2. Them fighting in character doesn't mean they are fighting like idiots.
Villains were used in their examples. Superman would bathe Darkseid in heat vision, punch him with all his might but he will not do the same vs Martian Manhunter because that is out of character. Flash would hit Zoom with light speed punches, phase through Superboy Prime but he will not do the same against Jubilee or Deathstroke because it's out of character. Surfer will bash Doomsday face in because basic knowledge have him as a killing machine with Superman level strength and durability but Surfer will not do that against Hulk because Hulk is a friend. Same applies to Hulk. Hulk will not attempt to rip Surfer in half.
1. The rules also outright state that the characters will go all out once they know their opponents, lmao. YOUR OWN SCAN SAYS THIS.
2. "Oh gee, Hulk my fwend, I always blast him, better blast him like I always do!!!" Yeah, sure thing Noron Radd.
He wouldn't bathe him in HV - BECAUSE OF CIVILIANS. READ READ READ, lmao.
Quote the rules where characters will hold back against their friends 😂 how long have you been here???
I like how Flash is used as an example by Carver - but forum rules literally state that the Flash would clock ALL his opponents at high speed as soon as the bell starts (including Jubilee and Deathstroke lmao) in a forum fight.
Superman's speed is a viable tactic in fights, just in case Carv tries that too 😂
All this from Carver, a guy who's been here for almost decades lol
Originally posted by carver9
Rules... "against the Hulk he's going to take a few punches" and get knocked TF out. Hulk is literally the last person anyone should take punches from. Glad the rules states that.
Rules state he'll stop slugging and use all powers once he realises the predicament he's in 😂 he won't forget his powers until he loses, you absolute idiotic specimen lmao.