Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am sad if people have mistreated you.
It is NOT me that I am the least bit concerned about, it was his comment about the Holy Spirit. But God will forgive him because he said it in unbelief as it were (as an unsaved person). But I just believe that I have nothing more to say to Alliance, he appears to get his kicks from being disrespectful to me at every opportunity, and without provocation. But again, it was his remark about the Spirit of God that was the deciding vote for me to ignore any more of Alliance's posts. You can insult me, hate me, cuss me out, or what have you. But I just don't understand what the Holy Spirit had to do with anything in terms of Alliance making a truly blasphemous and irreverent comment about Him.
I explained the point Alliance was making about the Holy Spirit. He was commenting on the contentious issue regarding how a holy trinity constitutes a monotheistic system. Monotheistic is a single divine being, where as polytheistic, synonymous usually with pagan, is more then one. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - now that is three. The question is then are they one in the same, and simply aspects of one another (and thus in the bounds of monotheistic) or are they separate entities (and thus would be considered by definition non mono, and thus polytheistic.)
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is NOT me that I am the least bit concerned about, it was his comment about the Holy Spirit. But God will forgive him because he said it in unbelief as it were (as an unsaved person). But I just believe that I have nothing more to say to Alliance, he appears to get his kicks from being disrespectful to me at every opportunity, and without provocation. But again, it was his remark about the Spirit of God that was the deciding vote for me to ignore any more of Alliance's posts. You can insult me, hate me, cuss me out, or what have you. But I just don't understand what the Holy Spirit had to do with anything in terms of Alliance making a truly blasphemous and irreverent comment about Him.
I understand but it was, IMO, meant to get your goat, and it did. 😄 My point is, we can disagree, but I appreciate the fact that you are here, and I would hate to see you leave.
Re: The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe other fool that wanted to see god thinking its the way to belive was punished. Jehova ((god)) wants us all to no see but to belive and have faith. With out faith, it wont be possible.
Psalm 14:1
The fool has said in his heart,“There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.Anyone that truly wants to know if God exists can know but there is something that you must do first: you must--imperative necessity--humble yourself. This will probably eliminate 99 and 9/10 percent of those reading this thread. God will reveal Himself to you if you humble yourself before Him. Humility is not waiting for the chance to vent what you have to say at the first chance someone like me writes something like this. Humility starts with an attitude that concedes that you don't know it all or have all of the answers and that in God's eyes you are nothing. The simple fact of the matter is that God wants you all to know Him but it must be on His terms. You must humble yourself. Humble yourself before God, tell Him that you are sorry for your sins. Ask God to forgive you for all of your sins. Finally, ask Jesus Christ of Nazareth to save you, and wash away all of your sins in His precious blood. I know what I have written may not make sense to you right now, but you must take care of the sin issue. Your sins have separated you from God. Once you are born again the Holy Spirit live in your spirit and He will began to reveal the Father to you. The Holy Spirit living on the inside of you--in the inner man/woman--will bear witness with your spirit that you are now--after your sins are washed away--a child of God and the Bible is true. The things of God will began to make sense to you once you are saved.
Recap:
1) Humble your self before God.
2) Ask God to forgive you for all of your sins, and then ask Jesus Chrst of Nazareth to save you from your sins.
3)Pick up Bible and the Gospel According to John (this gospel account emphasizes the deity of Christ Jesus.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I explained the point Alliance was making about the Holy Spirit. He was commenting on the contentious issue regarding how a holy trinity constitutes a monotheistic system. Monotheistic is a single divine being, where as polytheistic, synonymous usually with pagan, is more then one. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - now that is three. The question is then are they one in the same, and simply aspects of one another (and thus in the bounds of monotheistic) or are they separate entities (and thus would be considered by definition non mono, and thus polytheistic.)
Let me ask you this Imperial_Samura: hyrodgen and oxygen (or more accurately, h2O) form what?
Water right?
But water has more than one manifestation right? Water can take the form of a liquid, solid, or gas, but it remains water right?
Well, using the analogy of water (which I find to be crude and inadequate to describe the ONENESS of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) God is one but manifested in three Persons. They are ALL GOD (or divine). They all occupy the Godhead (deity) simultaneously, and equally in terms of power, intelligence/knowledge/wisdom, and ubiquity (everywhere at the same time). Yet, they are distinct in terms of how they manifest themselves.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let me ask you this Imperial_Samura: hyrodgen and oxygen (or more accurately, h2O) form what?Water right?
But water has more than one manifestation right? Water can take the form of a liquid, solid, or gas, but it remains water right?
Well, using the analogy of water (which I find to be crude and inadequate to describe the ONENESS of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) God is one but manifested in three Persons. They are ALL GOD (or divine). They all occupy the Godhead (deity) simultaneously, and equally in terms of power, intelligence/knowledge/wisdom, and ubiquity (everywhere at the same time). Yet, they are distinct in terms of how they manifest themselves.
What about the 4th state of matter, plasma? 😆
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let me ask you this Imperial_Samura: hyrodgen and oxygen (or more accurately, h2O) form what?Water right?
But water has more than one manifestation right? Water can take the form of a liquid, solid, or gas, but it remains water right?
Well, using the analogy of water (which I find to be crude and inadequate to describe the ONENESS of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) God is one but manifested in three Persons. They are ALL GOD (or divine). They all occupy the Godhead (deity) simultaneously, and equally in terms of power, intelligence/knowledge/wisdom, and ubiquity (everywhere at the same time). Yet, they are distinct in terms of how they manifest themselves.
There you go then - that is your stance on the question of the trinity. Other Christians might feel differently differently, it is a issue, many believe like you, many don't. I myself wasn't making a judgement either way, merely offering a degree of commentary on the issue as a whole in relation to it cropping up in this thread.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
There you go then - that is your stance on the question of the trinity. Other Christians might feel differently differently, it is a issue, many believe like you, many don't. I myself wasn't making a judgement either way, merely offering a degree of commentary on the issue as a whole in relation to it cropping up in this thread.
There is a strong disagreement on the subject, and it is a very minor group that believe that they are separate entities. And the majority of Christianity has made the decision that those of us that believe that they are separate entities are not considered Christian according to their view of the subject. We could be considered polytheistic in that we believe that more than one God exist (but we only worship the Father, with Christ acting as advocate.) Christians that believe as JIA cannot in any way be considered to believe polytheistically.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, using the analogy of water (which I find to be crude and inadequate to describe the ONENESS of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) God is one but manifested in three Persons. They are ALL GOD (or divine). They all occupy the Godhead (deity) simultaneously, and equally in terms of power, intelligence/knowledge/wisdom,
* i believe there is a Godhead as stated in the Bible, but They are not equal...
"Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28
* Christ said, "... the Father is greater than I", They are not equal...
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
and ubiquity (everywhere at the same time). Yet, they are distinct in terms of how they manifest themselves.
* the Godhead are NOT everywhere at the same time...
"These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father , the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the son may glorify thee:"
John 17:1
"After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven , Hallowed be thy name."
Matthew 6:9
* the Father is in the heavens... not everywhere...
"Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized , and praying, the heaven was opened,
And the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven , Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
Luke 3:21-22
* Jesus was being baptized, the Holy Spirit descended from heaven and the Father spoke from the heavens... They are in three different places in the same time...
* you know what had ubiquity?
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place , beholding the evil and the good."
Proverbs 15:3
* the eyes/sight of God... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i believe there is a Godhead as stated in the Bible, but They are not equal..."Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28* Christ said, "... the Father is greater than I", They are not equal...
* the Godhead are NOT everywhere at the same time...
"These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father , the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the son may glorify thee:"
John 17:1"After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven , Hallowed be thy name."
Matthew 6:9* the Father is in the heavens... not everywhere...
"Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized , and praying, the heaven was opened,
And the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven , Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
Luke 3:21-22* Jesus was being baptized, the Holy Spirit descended from heaven and the Father spoke from the heavens... They are in three different places in the same time...
* you know what had ubiquity?
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place , beholding the evil and the good."
Proverbs 15:3* the eyes/sight of God... 😉
THE OMNIPRESENCE OF THE GODHEAD
God has no limitations except the limitations that He has set for Himself. For example, the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie. It is impossible for God to lie because God CHOOSES not to lie. The scripture verses that you have furnished are all BEFORE Jesus went back to Heaven. Of course Jesus was not everywhere at the same time; He confined Himself to a PHYSICAL, HUMAN body for the duration that He walked the earth. When I say that God--the Godhead (i.e., the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)--are everywhere at the same time, I mean that they are not limited by space or time. Their presence is pervasive. For instance, the Holy Spirit INDWELLS all true believers in Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you ?
So, the Holy Spirit indwells believers and there are millions. This is an example of God not being limited by space or time.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you ?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
Again, Jesus indwells all believers and there are an innumerable number of Christians.
John 14:16-20
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Jesus did not leave His disciples orphans as it were when He ascended back to Heaven. But He CAME TO THEM. How? Via the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9-11
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you . Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
The Bible states that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. So in these verses we have the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit), Spirit of Christ (Jesus), and Spirit of Him (God the Father) mentioned as indwelling the myriad of believers out there. Again, the Godhead is NOT limited by space or time.
Psalm 139:7-12
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there .
9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
David wrote this Psalm under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There is no place in the universe that anyone can go from God's presence. This is what I meant by God's presence is pervasive. Yes, I know that geographically speaking, God is in Heaven, but technically God's presence is pervasive. So in this technical sense God is omnipresent (everywhere simultaneously).
THE EQUALITY AMONG THE GODHEAD
Note: when Jesus stated that the Father was greater than Himself, He (Jesus) was in the flesh, walking the earth as a Man.
John 10:30
I and My Father are one .”
Jesus and the Father are one.
Philippians 2:5-6
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God ,
Jesus is equal with the Father God.
Mark 14:60-64
And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Notice that the Lord Jesus did not answer any of the petty questions.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
oooo! No, He didn't. No Jesus didn't just say that He was the Christ the SON OF THE BLESSED. The high priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes were present when those words came out of Jesus mouth. They KNEW exactly what Jesus was saying. Well, just what was Jesus saying? First let's look at the high priest's reaction to what Jesus said.
Mark 14:63-64
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?”
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.
The high priest called Jesus affirmation of being the Christ (Anointed One), the Son of the Blessed (God) blasphemy. Now why would they accuse Jesus of such a serious charge? By Jesus Christ affirming that He is the Christ (i.e. Anointed One), the Son of God He is saying that He and God the Father are equal and one. The high priest knew this that is why he (the high priest) tore his own clothes then said that what Jesus had said was blasphemy.
Matthew's account of what took place as Jesus stood before the high priest.
Matthew 26:57-66
57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58 But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest’s courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
59 Now the chief priests, the elders, and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, 60 but found none. Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none. But at last two false witnesses came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” 64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said . Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy! 66 What do you think?”
Acts Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God
Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit but actually lied to God. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is God; there is equality among the Godhead.
THE OMNIPRESENCE OF THE GODHEADGod has no limitations except the limitations that He has set for Himself. For example, the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie. It is impossible for God to lie because God CHOOSES not to lie.
* i beg to disagree, the reason why it is impossible for the Father to lie is because He really CANNOT do so...
"In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal;"
Titus 1:2
* it does NOT say - "God who does not lie" or "God who chooses not to lie"... the Bible says "God who CANNOT lie"... the Father is incapable of lying...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning."
James 1:17
* and God stayed, stays and forever will stay that way because He also CANNOT change...
"For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations."
Psalms 100:5
* His truth endureth to all generations...
The scripture verses that you have furnished are all BEFORE Jesus went back to Heaven. Of course Jesus was not everywhere at the same time; He confined Himself to a PHYSICAL, HUMAN body for the duration that He walked the earth.
* the Father is still greater than Christ...
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,"
Colossians 2:9
* eventhough Christ was in a human body here on earth, the fullness of Godhead dwelleth in Him bodily... my argument still stands, the Father is greater than Christ...
When I say that God--the Godhead (i.e., the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)--are everywhere at the same time, I mean that they are not limited by space or time. Their presence is pervasive. For instance, the Holy Spirit INDWELLS all true believers in Jesus Christ.1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you ?
* OMNI means all, it's absolute... contrary to your belief, the verse also states the Spirit of God dwelleth to those brethren in the Church in Corinth, therefore, the Spirit of God does NOT dwell to those people outside the Church...
So, the Holy Spirit indwells believers and there are millions. This is an example of God not being limited by space or time.2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you ?—unless indeed you are disqualified.Again, Jesus indwells all believers and there are an innumerable number of Christians.
* another contrary to your belief, Christ does NOT indwells to all non-believers...
John 14:16-20
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.Jesus did not leave His disciples orphans as it were when He ascended back to Heaven. But He CAME TO THEM. How? Via the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9-11
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you . Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.The Bible states that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. So in these verses we have the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit), Spirit of Christ (Jesus), and Spirit of Him (God the Father) mentioned as indwelling the myriad of believers out there. Again, the Godhead is NOT limited by space or time.
* no problem about that, i did not say the Godhead is limited by time or space...
Psalm 139:7-12
7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there .
9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.David wrote this Psalm under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. There is no place in the universe that anyone can go from God's presence. This is what I meant by God's presence is pervasive. Yes, I know that geographically speaking, God is in Heaven, but technically God's presence is pervasive. So in this technical sense God is omnipresent (everywhere simultaneously).
* it was figuratively written...
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch upon the evil and the good."
Proverbs 15:3
* the eyes/sight of God IS omnipresent, not God Himself... He can see everything...
THE EQUALITY AMONG THE GODHEADNote: when Jesus stated that the Father was greater than Himself, He (Jesus) was in the flesh, walking the earth as a Man.
* Colossians 2:9, Christ is still a God when He walked on earth, the human body is only a vehicle for flesh, blood and bones needed to be preached for everlasting life, spiritually...
John 10:30
I and My Father are one .”Jesus and the Father are one.
* one in what?
"And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are."
John 17:11
* united as one... not one entity...
Philippians 2:5-6
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God ,Jesus is equal with the Father God.
* equal in what?
"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God."
Philippians 2:6
* They are both Gods - the Father is God, the Son is God...
Mark 14:60-64
And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” But He kept silent and answered nothing.Matthew's account of what took place as Jesus stood before the high priest.
Matthew 26:57-66
57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58 But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest’s courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
59 Now the chief priests, the elders, and all the council sought false testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, 60 but found none. Even though many false witnesses came forward, they found none. But at last two false witnesses came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’”
62 And the high priest arose and said to Him, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against You?” 63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” 64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said . Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy! 66 What do you think?”
* i don't know what you are trying to point out here, but these are the grounds of Jesus' death:
"For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18
"The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
John 10:33
* the Father and Christ are one, NOT because They are literally one entity but They are united as one and They are both Gods...
Acts Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to GodAnanias lied to the Holy Spirit but actually lied to God. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is God; there is equality among the Godhead.
"Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
Hebrews 12:9
* the Father is the Father of Spirits, the Holy Spirit is also of God...
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption."
Ephesians 4:30
* the Godhead are united as one, but not equal... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i beg to disagree, the reason why it is impossible for the Father to lie is because He really CANNOT do so..."In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal;"
Titus 1:2* it does NOT say - "God who does not lie" or "God who chooses not to lie"... the Bible says "God who CANNOT lie"... the Father is incapable of lying...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning."
James 1:17* and God stayed, stays and forever will stay that way because He also CANNOT change...
"For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations."
Psalms 100:5* His truth endureth to all generations...
* the Father is still greater than Christ...
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,"
Colossians 2:9* eventhough Christ was in a human body here on earth, the fullness of Godhead dwelleth in Him bodily... my argument still stands, the Father is greater than Christ...
* OMNI means all, it's absolute... contrary to your belief, the verse also states the Spirit of God dwelleth to those brethren in the Church in Corinth, therefore, the Spirit of God does NOT dwell to those people outside the Church...
* another contrary to your belief, Christ does NOT indwells to all non-believers...
* no problem about that, i did not say the Godhead is limited by time or space...
* it was figuratively written...
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch upon the evil and the good."
Proverbs 15:3* the eyes/sight of God IS omnipresent, not God Himself... He can see everything...
* Colossians 2:9, Christ is still a God when He walked on earth, the human body is only a vehicle for flesh, blood and bones needed to be preached for everlasting life, spiritually...
* one in what?
"And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are."
John 17:11* united as one... not one entity...
* equal in what?
"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God."
Philippians 2:6* They are both Gods - the Father is God, the Son is God...
* i don't know what you are trying to point out here, but these are the grounds of Jesus' death:
"For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18"The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
John 10:33* the Father and Christ are one, NOT because They are literally one entity but They are united as one and They are both Gods...
"Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
Hebrews 12:9* the Father is the Father of Spirits, the Holy Spirit is also of God...
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption."
Ephesians 4:30* the Godhead are united as one, but not equal... 😉
The only thing that God CANNOT do is violate His Word (i.e., contradict His Word, but again these are limitations that are self-imposed). God can do whatever He good well pleases. Who is going to stop Him? There is no one greater than God.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i beg to disagree, the reason why it is impossible for the Father to lie is because He really CANNOT do so..."In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal;"
Titus 1:2* it does NOT say - "God who does not lie" or "God who chooses not to lie"... the Bible says "God who CANNOT lie"... the Father is incapable of lying...
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning."
James 1:17* and God stayed, stays and forever will stay that way because He also CANNOT change...
"For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations."
Psalms 100:5* His truth endureth to all generations...
* the Father is still greater than Christ...
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,"
Colossians 2:9* eventhough Christ was in a human body here on earth, the fullness of Godhead dwelleth in Him bodily... my argument still stands, the Father is greater than Christ...
* OMNI means all, it's absolute... contrary to your belief, the verse also states the Spirit of God dwelleth to those brethren in the Church in Corinth, therefore, the Spirit of God does NOT dwell to those people outside the Church...
* another contrary to your belief, Christ does NOT indwells to all non-believers...
* no problem about that, i did not say the Godhead is limited by time or space...
* it was figuratively written...
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, Keeping watch upon the evil and the good."
Proverbs 15:3* the eyes/sight of God IS omnipresent, not God Himself... He can see everything...
* Colossians 2:9, Christ is still a God when He walked on earth, the human body is only a vehicle for flesh, blood and bones needed to be preached for everlasting life, spiritually...
* one in what?
"And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are."
John 17:11* united as one... not one entity...
* equal in what?
"Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God."
Philippians 2:6* They are both Gods - the Father is God, the Son is God...
* i don't know what you are trying to point out here, but these are the grounds of Jesus' death:
"For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18"The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
John 10:33* the Father and Christ are one, NOT because They are literally one entity but They are united as one and They are both Gods...
"Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"
Hebrews 12:9* the Father is the Father of Spirits, the Holy Spirit is also of God...
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption."
Ephesians 4:30* the Godhead are united as one, but not equal... 😉
No offense Peejayd but I have a difficult time responding to your posts because of the many spelling and grammatical errors. I do not understand what you are trying to say.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The only thing that God CANNOT do is violate His Word (i.e., contradict His Word, but again these are limitations that are self-imposed). God can do whatever He good well pleases. Who is going to stop Him? There is no one greater than God.
God's nature will stop him. He is God and must behave as such.