Originally posted by Escape81
No, because it never said that in the RotS novelization.No, I don't downplay them.
Furthermore, Sadow's amulet can't blast a fleet to hell, so STFU up and stop trying to say "When an Ancient Sith farts, it is a more impressive feat than Sidious".
Notice how i was displaying force abilities, reading comphrension works.
Here you go again with your technicalities. We know Ajunta Pall created his sword, but when it comes to Ragnos, suddenly somebody else did it, and had the dark side abilities to drain entire planets? Not very good debating Lightsnake especially since you KNOW those items were created by the two. Read DLOTS, using Sadow's knowledge, Kun created an amulet of his own, matching the one Sadow created. Thanks
Oh man now youre bringing back your arguments with IKC where you were thorougly owned.. Wow lightsnake I didn't think you would do stuff like that but ignorance is bliss to the new crowd. Lets see, he had 1 amulet, then it mentions that he learned "all of Sadow's teachings", and another amulet magically appeared. Put 2 and 2 together, without being ignorant of course, and you have your answer.
I forgot, youre the type to say "prove Ragnos is more powerful than Sidious with an exact quote". It's called logical deduction Lightsnake, try to use it once in a while. I'll counterargue your ridiculous statement with "proof Sidous can defeat Kun with a direct quote". Maybe you'll see how retarded that statement was.
Darth Sexy, I'd respectfully ask for you to not comment on someone being owned, when - in the end - your "logical deduction" is based on crap.
We've already proven that:
a) Ragnos's powers haven't been displayed.
b) He had the scepter constructed because he couldn't do it himself (why else would he need it?)
c) His scepter's power means nothing when an average Jedi can pwn the person wielding it.
d) Sidious did all of his feats without the help of an item or an amulet.
So, in reality, you are being owned.
1. I didn't say anyone was being owned
2. Logical deduction>Fanboyism
A. The testament of his powers have been obvious
B. Regardless of who actually constructed it, it was obviously his dark side powers in it.
C. Who cares who can wield it, you want to talk about his power, look at the way he curbstomped Tavion as a spirit, even if she was an average Jedi. It's not about who uses it, it's about what it does.
D. So? Because they created dark side tools, it decreases their power or increases Sidious' power? Have you thought about the fact that the Golden Age was about perfect sith alchemy and this is what they used for tools? Or the fact that Sidious didn't know how create an amulet? Have you thought about any of this before trying to downplay characters and elevate Sidious? No, I think my 'logical deduction" makes sense.
And in conclusion I'm being owned by who exactly? I don't call "well this this and that said it but I don't have the proof right now" being owned, but I suppose reality is different for everybody.
2. Logical deduction>Fanboyism
Are implying that I am a fanboy simply because I'm disagreeing with your theory that Ragnos owns all and that when an Ancient Sith Lord so much as farts, he is performing a noteworthy feat that places him above all others?
A. The testament of his powers have been obvious
Look, I've lost any reason to be civil with you. STFU. You can't tell me what Ragnos can do anything on par with Sidious, because he hasn't been shown doing it. So, once again, shut the hell up because you have absolutely no proof.
B. Regardless of who actually constructed it, it was obviously his dark side powers in it.
His Dark powers? If he could drain the Force himself then he wouldn't need the scepter. Understand?
Sadow couldn't blast through crap on his own, which is why he built the amulets. He couldn't make two stars go supernova on his own, which is why he built the ship.
Kun couldn't do it either, which is why he built the amulets
C. Who cares who can wield it, you want to talk about his power, look at the way he curbstomped Tavion as a spirit, even if she was an average Jedi. It's not about who uses it, it's about what it does.
Tavion was possessed by Ragnos. They didn't have a fight. She was simply a vessel, and Jaden still pwned her. Also, she happened to be wielding the scepter in combat.
D. So? Because they created dark side tools, it decreases their power or increases Sidious' power? Have you thought about the fact that the Golden Age was about perfect sith alchemy and this is what they used for tools? Or the fact that Sidious didn't know how create an amulet? Have you thought about any of this before trying to downplay characters and elevate Sidious? No, I think my 'logical deduction" makes sense.
Point being, these so-called "more impressive feats" were done with the assistance of an amulet.
As to why Sidious didn't have any, well, lol, perhaps it was because he was powerful enough on his own - and didn't require any use of an amulet.
By the way, we already know that Sidious trained agents in Sith Alchemy.
And in conclusion I'm being owned by who exactly? I don't call "well this this and that said it but I don't have the proof right now" being owned, but I suppose reality is different for everybody.
You're being owned by anyone you argue against on this topic because you have nothing to support it.
#1. I wasn't implying you were a fanboy, it was a general statement.
2. Now you are sounding like a Sidious fanboy. Why do I have to tell you what Ragnos can do, when I can tell you that his subordinates clearly demonstrated power on a greater scale, and sometimes on a lesser scale, use your head mr "civilized". I don't care if you're getting angry that I don't agree about your favorite character being uber powerful, use your head. If 2 powerful sith lords that could arguably rival Sidious, never stood up to Ragnos himself, what does that say about them? And think about it carefully before giving a childish response.
3. Again, Sadow cannot FLY to a sun by himself, he is not SUPERMAN, he needs a means of transportation to get where he is. Maybe you conveniently forgot the clenched fist that destroyed the sun.. Try reading DLOTS again. And how many times do I have to tell you, just because Ragnos created a scepter to do all that nonsense, doesn't mean palpatine is more powerful than him because he could use his hands. Do you even understand the concept of sith alchemy? They poured their hate and dark side magic into artifacts not only to use, but to pass down to generations. I can just as well say that because Sidious had no knowledge of amulets, he used his hands. I'm sure that sounds as ridiculous as what you are saying.
3. I'm being owned? Welcome to reality, just because I don't agree with your ridiculous and childish comments, I'm being owned? I'm glad you live in your own little dream world. I'm actually providing logical evidence while you're downplaying other characters in favor of Sidious. I don't hate Sidious but when someone uses fanboyism as his argument, that's when I start disliking the character. At least lightsnake can once in a while provide logical evidence. Now I suggest you stop crying because I don't agree with you in a versus thread, and provide a more valid argument.
1. I wasn't implying you were a fanboy, it was a general statement.
I thought so.
2. Now you are sounding like a Sidious fanboy.
Because I bring up the fact that you lack facts of your own?
Why do I have to tell you what Ragnos can do,
Because this is about Sidious vs. Ragnos, not about Sidious vs. Sadow or Sidious vs. Simus.
when I can tell you that his subordinates clearly demonstrated power on a greater scale, and sometimes on a lesser scale,
The Ancient Sith required the use of items and amulets to do anything on par with Sidious.
use your head mr "civilized".
I do, and clearly, with more efficiency than you.
I don't care if you're getting angry that I don't agree about your favorite character being uber powerful, use your head.
We're talking about Gilad Pellaeon, my favorite character? Funny, I thought this was about Palpatine.
If 2 powerful sith lords that could arguably rival Sidious,
With the use of amulets and items that they had constructed to compensate for their lack of ability - and they still fall up short.
never stood up to Ragnos himself, what does that say about them?
That, perhaps, they were victims to an overblown reputation or simply were indoctrinated by fear?
And think about it carefully before giving a childish response.
I recommend the same for you, Mr. "Ragnos-Didn't-Need-The-Scepter-To-Drain-Force-Power-From-Planets-And-Yet-I-Still-Can't-Explain-Why-The-Hell-He'd-Need-It-If-He-Could.
3. Again, Sadow cannot FLY to a sun by himself, he is not SUPERMAN, he needs a means of transportation to get where he is.
The ship, like the meditation sphere, focuses and augments Sadow's power.
Maybe you conveniently forgot the clenched fist that destroyed the sun.. Try reading DLOTS again.
Read above and then read what Lightsnake said about this.
And how many times do I have to tell you, just because Ragnos created a scepter to do all that nonsense,
So you finally acknowledge that Ragnos required the scepter to drain the Force from planets? Good.
doesn't mean palpatine is more powerful than him because he could use his hands.
Yes it does, because Palpatine didn't require the use of items and such when it came to the Force.
Do you even understand the concept of sith alchemy?
They poured their hate and dark side magic into artifacts not only to use, but to pass down to generations. I can just as well say that because Sidious had no knowledge of amulets, he used his hands. I'm sure that sounds as ridiculous as what you are saying.
Oh, I see. So Sith Lords that covet power and want no one else but themselves to know it create the means to pass it down? Logical.
Furthermore, Sidious did have knowledge of Sith Alchemy, confirmed in Dark Empire. Why not read the part when the Alliance tries to invade Palpatine's citadel, and his Dark Side Monsters WTFpwn all the land-craft there.
I'm being owned?
Yup. Because you haven't shown me what Ragnos can do.
Welcome to reality, just because I don't agree with your ridiculous and childish comments, I'm being owned?
Sorry, man, but you are the one making most of the childish comments. 🙂
I'm glad you live in your own little dream world. I'm actually providing logical evidence while you're downplaying other characters in favor of Sidious.
Like I said. You said that Sadow using a single amulet blast is more impressive than anything that Sidious has done (including annihilating massive fleets)
That is childish.
I don't hate Sidious but when someone uses fanboyism as his argument, that's when I start disliking the character.
If I may mirror your words, I could care less.
At least lightsnake can once in a while provide logical evidence. Now I suggest you stop crying because I don't agree with you in a versus thread, and provide a more valid argument.
Um . . . didn't you also say earlier that he never does?
#1. Prove they needed the amulets to focus their power through, and not that they chose to create amulets based on sith alchemy to augment and quantify their power exponentially.
#2. I did not say Ragnos needed the scepter to use the power. You clearly do not understand the fact that if they can create something, regardless of what object it is, with their dark side power, they can clearly do it without it. As I said, the golden age was about sith alchemy, about augmenting and trying to quantify their dark side power. I guarantee you Palpatine's power would have quantified also. So you saying they needed the stuff is just an opinion.
3. Again, because Palpatine didn't require those items doesn't mean he was more powerful. For all you know his power was less based on the fact that he couldn't augment his dark side abilities.
4. Sadow clenching his fist and destroying the sun is quite impressive. You still ignore the fact that it was created using sith magic but that's ok, I'll forgive.
5. Nobody said Sidious wasn't uber powerful in DE.
6. Just like Sidious, Ragnos had the power to entrust the dark side in non force sensitives, so instead of speaking volumes about just Sidious, you can do the same thing for Ragnos.
7. Must I always emphasize the fact that it took nearly the entire academy to defeat the SPIRIT of Exar Kun, that Luke wasn't sure if the entire academy could defeat a living Ragnos, and that DE Sidious was defeated by Luke and Leia and her half ass battle meditation. It's not just about power, it's how you use it. I personally hate DE Sidious because at that point he's completely illogical and insane.
Does the fact that Luke was described as incredibly powerful meaning ANYTHING? He extended a hand and collapsed an At AT...he flew sips with the force.
Oh, and where'd Luke say it'd take the entire Academy to beat Ragnos? Coulda sworn he said Marka's powers were unknown and the mission was to STOP Marka from resurection