DE Sidious & Ludo Kressh vs. Marka Ragnos & Naga Sadow

#1. For the last time stop calling me tdtd already. It means nothing to me.

Lightsnake, though the similarities are there and they stand out, Rex has confirmed that they aren't the same. I took the liberty of having him "investigated".

Sexy, whatch out for me. I'm a virtual private-eye. 😎 😛

#2. I'm looking at the damn scan, and unless you want to argue the concept of "passing" as a ghost, then its clear that his "passing" caused Odan Urr to have a nightmare and wake up..

Ehh . . . no idea. 😖

Escape, I completely agree with everything in your statement, except that Kyp was already a very powerful force user, 2nd only to Luke, and Tavion was a weakling, so I don't it matters who possessed who. Even though Tavion couldn't handle Ragnos' spirit and Kyp could handle Kun's.

I know that Kyp > Tavion - but Kyp wasn't responsible for the crap he did when Kun possessed him. I think that was even stated in the books. Not to mention that the obvious indicator is that he was never able to replicate such a feat after Kun's spirit was destroyed.

You're TdTd alright. Don't even try to lie
The Marka fanboyism, THE SAME EXACT arguments and writing style.

No, sorry: Marka was dead already and Odan was just dreaming of what was going on...he 'foresaw; it, remember?

Lightsnake stop making a fool out of yourself. I am not "tdtd". And how did he foresee what exactly was happening at that exact moment? Oh wait, it was the passing of the ghost.. But I can't expect you to possibly grasp that..

And Escape, you keep saying that Palpatine sucking the life force out of Byss speaks volumes for him. Then what about Nihilus that did what Palpatine did on a GRANDER SCALE. Tens of thousands of planets. Why is he never mentioned among force abilities like these, besides being a wound in the force. And after all of that, their techniques were one of the same, and were DERIVED from the ancient sith which speaks volumes for them.

And please don't call anybody a fan boy when you appear to be the biggest sidious fan boy here.

And Escape, you keep saying that Palpatine sucking the life force out of Byss speaks volumes for him.

I have been? I thought I just mentioned it a post or so ago, asking Lightsnake what really happened . . .

And please don't call anybody a fan boy when you appear to be the biggest sidious fan boy here.

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That was meant for lightsnake Escape.. And as I was saying, you guys are basing Palpatine's power mostly on the fact that he could create force storms and suck the life force from planets. I can counter that by saying those feats were replicated and derived from the ancient sith, maybe during Ragnos' time maybe before. So what exactly makes Palpatine the most uber sith ever besides ridiculous text?

And I dare you to show me a single instance of the Ancients replicating those techniques

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And I dare you to show me a single instance of the Ancients replicating those techniques

Yeah . . .

I have to go with Lightsnake again. Were they shown using it? And who's to say that the abilities weren't augmented during the interim?

I just did..
Nihilus on a much grander scale..
Bane created a force storm although on a smaller scale..
And apparently you don't listen when I tell you to read the TOTJ companion where it tells you that Palpatine's precious force abilities derived from the ancient sith.

Escape, how was Nihilus' technique augmented? And I don't understand how you can ask me to prove that the ancient sith techniques were NOT augmented. I don't prove negatives.

Nihilius: From one SMALL world
Palpatine: From Byss, one of the largest planets in the galaxy along with other planets.
Bane didn't create a form storm, what he did was a Force Pulse along with...twenty six other Sith Lords

Nihilus on a much grander scale..

I agree that Nihilius may have drained the Force on a scale superior than Palpatine. But Nihilius was a thousand years (I think) after Ragnos's time.

That doesn't mean that Ragnos has that ability.

Bane created a force storm although on a smaller scale..

He used a Force Storm?

But, anyways that's my point. Just because your "ancient" doesn't mean you're better than all of your descendants.

And apparently you don't listen when I tell you to read the TOTJ companion where it tells you that Palpatine's precious force abilities derived from the ancient sith.

That a comic or a sourcebook? Our local Barnes & Nobel never has any source books of any variety. 😖

Oh really? THe quote is "Darth Nihilus ravaged and consumed whole worlds to feed his insatiable appetite for power. ". Don't even try to elevate Palpatine because he happened to eat a larger word. It's a stupid technicality that wouldn't even work even if Nihilus consumed 1 world.

And escape, when it says derived from the ancient sith, the ancient sith it takes about are the ones from the Golden Age, since they were created and referred to as the Ancient sith. And the TOTJ companion could be bought on Amazon.

He consumed one world, Katarr.
And show me one example where the Sith created a Force Storm to Palp's level. It can range from the size of a human to large, after all...

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And escape, when it says derived from the ancient sith, the ancient sith it takes about are the ones from the Golden Age, since they were created and referred to as the Ancient sith. And the TOTJ companion could be bought on Amazon.

Wait.

It states that Nihilius's Force drain derived from the Ancient Sith?

MY point was that his technique was derived from the ancient sith, whether LARGER or smaller.. And NO Nihilus consumed thousands of worlds, Katarr was the MAIN one because that is where the Jedi met..

Name the world.s find me the source of this statistic

Originally posted by Escape81
Wait.

It states that Nihilius's Force drain derived from the Ancient Sith?

Yes, his force drain was on a larger scale than Traya's, who also had it. It is speculated that they obtained these powers by being a wound in the force, which is logical I suppose. It is also stated that Nihilus could have obtained it magically by becoming a wound in the force as a result of Malachor V. It would explain why he speaks what seems like the Sith language.

Wait, wait . . .

You seem to be mis-understanding. I haven't seen an Ancient Sith use a Force Storm but (assuming they did) you fail to take into consideration that Palpatine, heir apparent of thousands of years of information and knowledge, could have very well improved and augmented these attacks.

And, Nihilius's Force drain was credited to the Ancient Sith? Since when?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Name the world.s find me the source of this statistic

Play the game, listen to what Visa Marr says or whatever her name is, look it up on Wikipedia(which isn't as canon but states the same thing). The names of the worlds were not given but if you want to argue with conclusive statements, that is your right, although you are wrong.

Oooh, Wikipedia! If that's the only proof you have....

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, his force drain was on a larger scale than Traya's, who also had it. It is speculated that they obtained these powers by being a wound in the force, which is logical I suppose. It is also stated that Nihilus could have obtained it magically by becoming a wound in the force as a result of Malachor V. It would explain why he speaks what seems like the Sith language.

Oh, okay.

But, like I said, Palpatine and Nihilius could have improved these attacks. I've not seen a Force Storm (at all) made like Palpatine's, or Force drain used that hard.