Jack and lizzie

I watched those videos on youtube.com/watchtv - whatever - and they were awesome. It's a relieve to know that I'm not the only person obsessed with Pirates and the sexual chemistry between Ms. Swann and our dear old Captain Sparrow. But again, I was all for it in the first movie, although they decided to delete some of the scenes. I was convinced she would get with Jack in the first movie, so was disappointed with the Will/Elizabeth paring. That's why I'm so in love with Pirates 2 - cuz they finally touched the real nucleus of this story and it's Liz - her desire for Jack and his life style. I loved the part where he shows up and takes the gun and she's looking up at him and holding onto his legs while he shoots the gun for the explosion to break up the Krakin - great scene - you can really see the hero worship in this scene - I love Jack - and it was good to see him be so heroic - and also about the compass as he is paddling away from the black pearl - I think it was Lizzie it was pointing to, cuz when he gets back on the ship he tells Mr. Gibbs "It's only a ship" when they are shocked that he wants to abandon the Black Pearl to the Krakin.

Originally posted by LovelyOne
Yeh exactly. That whole jack thing sounds right Blackpearl44

If what she really supports is "honor" and "moral standards", then why do her actions in that scene show the complete opposite? Answer: Its not what she really stands for deep down and its not what she really wants from Jack. She wants a taster of HIS lifestyle. Its all a coverup.

It shows that all her "stuck up, I'm above you" "you want to do the right thing" speeches to him are all just an ACT/denial. They are her desperate attempts to cover up what she really wants from Jack.

I also notice that her gaurd drops a little bit more with every Jack/Liz moment during the movie.

The first time where he suggests sex to her..she coveres it up well with a look of disgust "I would NEVER i'm to honorable for that!"..but secretly smiles when she thinks no one is looking

The second time, she pretends that she means one thing when she really wants another and almost kisses him. She still manages to save herself from what she just did by saying "I'm proud of you jack" If she had kissed him right here..then I DOUBT she would have chained him to the ship later on..the kiss was intterupted for that reason. It was meant to be there where she finally gave in..but it was stopped. Which made the temptation build up a whole lot more andit exploded later on with drastic conciquinces.

The final time..She gives into it completley. It was overdue and building up throughout the entire movie (that may be why her actions where so drastic)..all temptation building up finally overtook her, made her cross the line. She tries to cover up by saying "I'm doing it for the others" But No..it doesnt work this time..she gives in, all the denial is shed and she says "I'm not sorry" (NOW THATS A TRUE PIRATE) she wants to be officially called pirate by Jack before she goes.

Once again.......I agree with you......in the next movie, the temptations between Jack and Liz will be on a whole new level.....a more intense, personal level....

thanks Blackpearl44..i totally agree. That ending had to happen so it could be pushed up to a whole new level for the next movie.

And..Yeh^^ exactly lovethemtigers..I totaly agree with every word toy say.

.And i think he would have done the right thing and saved the people ANYWAY without the aid of Mr compass.He has done it before after all.

Also if it wasnt working for him througout the entire move why did it work there and when it pointed to the "chest" on the beach? Anser: it pointed to her both times.

I also thought that whilst watching the first movie..it felt like Jack/Liz should be together...they were more suited to eachother.

Also dont you think that if Jack/Liz had kissed during this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75rQsST-3sg

Then the ending to the movie would have been completley different. She clearly was saying one thing to cover up her wanting for another..and we know what her real desire was here because she was dissapointed he pulled away 😂

Had she got the Kiss here I doubt she would have crossed the line and chained him up later. It was meant to be here where she would have got the thrill of being bad... but Disney wanted to give an excuse as to why she over acted later on.. this scene drew attention to the fact that her temptation wasnt satisfied there... so it built up even more and exploded later..resulting in her doing something really overly drastic, selfish and bad...she got one MAJOR rush from doing it..but later realised that she should have controlled herself..It was like the drop after being high on drugs.

Right^^............second movie ended that way, so the temptations between Jack and Liz can be pushed to a whole new level in the next movie.......like I said, a more intense, personal level......and that is a very good thing for both their developement in the next movie... 😄

I think she actually knew they could have all gotten away. The kraken would have attacked the ship thinking Jack was still on it...the only person to know this was LIZ..she was the only person to see him sailing away whilst the kraken was still attacking the pearl.

By this point she had been starved of not having what she SHOULD have had earlier from Jack. Kissing him and giving into doing something bad were long overdue by this point.. She knew they could have all got away but you can tell here that she has been fighting with her concience she turns from the boat probably thinking "we can all go and be safe" *turns to look at jack* by this time her temptations are so strong they get the better of her senses and the temptation to do something bad wins out.

Jack knows that He could have escaped too..since he was on the boat whilst the kraken was attacking the pearl...

He didnt say anything..He knew she was lying about doing it for the "right cause" and he was letting her. He knew he could gget away and didnt say a WORD... Its like he wanted her to do it (hence the smiles) Like he wanted to let her know "yes you are a pirate"

Him persuading her to let him go would mean her choosing the right thing. She's finally come down to his level..and he's not going to pass up a chance to keep her there..even if he dies because of it. This shows you how much he truly craves her and wants her to stay a possibility for him.

If that was someone else who he didnt really care about..he would have told them he would be able get away without the Kraken attacking in a heart beat to save his own skin..but he didnt ..Very unlike Jacks character.

yeah i do think they all could have gotten away... but away was to a tiny island, and it would have only been a matter of time before davy tracked jack down, etc... so even if they could have gotten to land, the complications wouldn't have ended there.
plus i think liz is feeling the frustration that Jack has robbed her of her simple "happily ever after"-- he dragged her into this adventure, and then made her want him so much, and now she knows she will never just be happy with a normal life... she wants jack, she wants freedom, and she's in a bit of denial

Originally posted by katelovespirate
yeah i do think they all could have gotten away... but away was to a tiny island, and it would have only been a matter of time before davy tracked jack down, etc... so even if they could have gotten to land, the complications wouldn't have ended there.
plus i think liz is feeling the frustration that Jack has robbed her of her simple "happily ever after"-- he dragged her into this adventure, and then made her want him so much, and now she knows she will never just be happy with a normal life... she wants jack, she wants freedom, and she's in a bit of denial

I dont think she felt the adventure was a burden..she loves adventure.

Also Davy would have thought Jack/the crew were dead because the kraken had attacked the pearl..He didnt seem to realise Will had survived the kraken (although there was a suspicion) Will basicall sailed with Davy right under his nose to the island. So i think they could have avoided being detected by Davy Jones.

Liz's happily ever after is embracing the pirate life..not a married life with Will. So i cant see her being too upset about not getting married after living her dream with Jack. It wasnt actually Jack who robbed her of her wedding night it was the east india trading company.

I personally dont think Liz cares about not being able to get away, her wedding night and saving the crew..She just wanted to do something bad to jack because the temptation was too strong by that point. If she had kissed Jack before he pulled awaym she would have had the thrill of being bad already and she woudlnt have felt the need to chain him up to the ship later on. She did it to satisfy her own selfish impulses.. In my opinion the temptation was too much for her by that point and it went over the line.

Had liz been satisfied before then they would have all left together despite the fact Davy was still after them.

If she did it for the reasons you say then the whole notion that only Jack and her knew he could have got away need not have been there. She would have just tied him up because she was pissed..she didnt do it because she was angry at him. Afterall he did come back and save her ass. Also the pull away kiss wouldnt have to have been in the film if she did it due to anger.

That idea of them both knowing he could get away was there to show that she had the choice to do the right thing but didnt. It was to show she gave into her bursting temptation. to do something bad.

i jsut saw the movie again for the 3rd time lol and i really like the scene when right after she talks about temtation with jack and then he says persuade me and then she walks over to the other side and she smiles then norington comes over and says there was a time wen i would have killed that u would look like that wen you thought of me. and then she says i just trust him thats wen i knew she really liked jack. <33

You can even see just before she kisses him.."Shall I go through with what I want or walk away?" Temptation gets the better of her of course. once she starts she cant stop. Its like pringles..so damn tasty you cant stop eating after just one..you want the whole tube.

She hesitated a bit, went in for it, couldn't contoll herself didnt, want to finish until she had got what she wanted..A kiss from Jack and the thrill of doing something worse than just bad.

Had she got that kiss from him earlier on during the curiosity scene, she would have been satisfied with just being naughty and kissing jack..Disney stopped that kiss to signify that she wasnt satisfied and the temptation built up.. It became way to much and caused Liz to do something she wouldnt have done had she got what she desired earlier on.

Her rational thought seemed to have taken a back seat to lust and desire.

Jack just got a good feeling for doing something noble for her and the crew, now she wants her good feeling that she's been craving throughout the movie..which is to do something bad to jack but feel good about it. Its like now she feels like she's more than entitled to have hers because she gave him his.

so has she had her fill or will there be some more face-sucking in the next film?

i hope there issss

HERE IS MY SOAPBOX: WHY I DONT FEEL BAD FOR WILL.
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Okay everyone dont eat me for dinner, hear me out. Lets look at this rationally. 😉

Point #1: He leaves Liz without a kiss at the jail. He seems totally eager to be gone. He expects her to wait calmly while he goes adventuring.

Point #2: He gets on convaluted side-trips with Jack when he could just steal Jack's compass and run home. If he wanted to get home fast, he could have done that. Instead he organizes a rescue mission and then hangs out with his dad, shows up in the middle of a beautiful Liz/Jack moment, and barely says hello to her.

Point #3: Back to the barely says hello bit: He gives her a "what are you doing here" look and then jumps into a fight with anyone nearby.

Point #4: When they have outrun the Flying Dutchman, he makes a big stink about giving chase to rescue his dad, when anyone would know that would put Liz and everyone else in unnecessary danger.

THE POINT THAT MAKES ALL OTHER POINTS IRRELEVANT: When Liz makes out with Jack, she does it with the clear knowledge that Will is about ten feet away and will probably see everything. And of course, Will sees. But what does he do? Gets in the boat and pouts. If he were truly in love with Liz, he would either leap on board and instantly challenge Jack to a duel, or he would wait for her to get on the boat and then discuss it with her rationally, ask her what she wants, etc. The fact that he doesnt, makes it seem that he doesnt actually want Liz as much as he thinks he does.

CONCLUSION: Will is a big lad. He can take care of himself. I dont think Jack is a cheat for kissing Liz when he knows she is involved with will, because, like any person knows, if you cant keep your own woman, its no one else's fault.
So, to sum up, Jack is hott. Liz is confused and growing up. Will is a good guy but I dont feel the least bit sorry for him that he is losing his girl. 🙂

Oh, POINT I FORGOT: pretty much everyone was chewing their hands off waiting for the Jack/Liz sexual tension to lead to something, so gosh, we dont have time to feel bad for will. We are too busy planning more hott jack/liz moments...🙂

haha i agree

true i think that we all want liz/jack moments but i do think will and liz should be together

i agree wiv lady

Originally posted by lady_captinjack
true i think that we all want liz/jack moments but i do think will and liz should be together

Is it what the film makers are pointing to though? I dont think so. Will's story is just like Davy Jones..the Director even said it..even phsycic voodoo lady Tia seemed to pick up on the fact..Almsot everything in the movie where Liz/Will were together or mentioned seemed to indicate they were doomed..especially the cancelled wedding(basically doomed from the offset) and the fact he saw her before the wedding..which usually means things dont end well between a couple.

And Katelovespirate I agree. .she's obviously not all that important to him any more. If he truley cared why didnt he jup up and stop the kiss?

Originally posted by katelovespirate
HERE IS MY SOAPBOX: WHY I DONT FEEL BAD FOR WILL.
🏴‍☠️ 🐰 😗 🤺 👇 😖anta:

Okay everyone dont eat me for dinner, hear me out. Lets look at this rationally. 😉

Point #1: He leaves Liz without a kiss at the jail. He seems totally eager to be gone. He expects her to wait calmly while he goes adventuring.

Point #2: He gets on convaluted side-trips with Jack when he could just steal Jack's compass and run home. If he wanted to get home fast, he could have done that. Instead he organizes a rescue mission and then hangs out with his dad, shows up in the middle of a beautiful Liz/Jack moment, and barely says hello to her.

Point #3: Back to the barely says hello bit: He gives her a "what are you doing here" look and then jumps into a fight with anyone nearby.

Point #4: When they have outrun the Flying Dutchman, he makes a big stink about giving chase to rescue his dad, when anyone would know that would put Liz and everyone else in unnecessary danger.

THE POINT THAT MAKES ALL OTHER POINTS IRRELEVANT: When Liz makes out with Jack, she does it with the clear knowledge that Will is about ten feet away and will probably see everything. And of course, Will sees. But what does he do? Gets in the boat and pouts. If he were truly in love with Liz, he would either leap on board and instantly challenge Jack to a duel, or he would wait for her to get on the boat and then discuss it with her rationally, ask her what she wants, etc. The fact that he doesnt, makes it seem that he doesnt actually want Liz as much as he thinks he does.

CONCLUSION: Will is a big lad. He can take care of himself. I dont think Jack is a cheat for kissing Liz when he knows she is involved with will, because, like any person knows, if you cant keep your own woman, its no one else's fault.
So, to sum up, Jack is hott. Liz is confused and growing up. Will is a good guy but I dont feel the least bit sorry for him that he is losing his girl. 🙂

Oh, POINT I FORGOT: pretty much everyone was chewing their hands off waiting for the Jack/Liz sexual tension to lead to something, so gosh, we dont have time to feel bad for will. We are too busy planning more hott jack/liz moments...🙂

LOL it's SOOOO true. Will wasnt even bothered with Liz at all..and then he EXPECTS her to be the same after completley not being there for her throughout the entire movie!

He left her like a caged bird expecting her to just sit and be pretty. There was no kiss..he just left her..SIGNAL OF WHAT THEIR MARRIAGE WILL BE LATER HINT HINT..all restricted with Will in controll of her! she doesn't want that. He comes back at the end "Gaurd the chest" Liz" - NO!" HINT HINT he thinks he can still controll her.

Funnily enough Davy Jones thought he could controll his woman but she became untame like the sea..echo of Will /Liz hello? and we all know how that turned out for Davy..

Will totaly forgot about her..he saw her on the Island and was like "huh? OH YEAH LIZ!..gimmie a kiss..now sit and be pretty whilst I open the chest and save my dad" "gaurd the chest whilst I go and have the adventure" She aint havin THAT!

I dont feel sorry at all for Will losing his girl..He cant even do enough to keep her...She's not the woman he thought she was..She is braver then he thought she was and he's not going to like it..He's not going tp be the alpha male with her anymore.

more news about weddings. sigh. weddings dont bode well for us. disney doesnt really do divorce.