Jack and lizzie

hmm im just going to ramble for a few minutes....

as long as we are bringing in everyone's fathers in the next film, lets take a look at a couple of facts.

apparently, Jack's father was part of an elite pirate brethren. its interesting to me that Jack would know who his father was, without knowing who his mother was...

Lizzie's mother is also strangely absent (even in mention) from the films. We are lead to believe she died before Lizzie and Gov. Swann left England. Will's mother died a while back after raising him alone in England.

Now throw Beckett into the mix. He and Gov. Swann obviously know each other from England, but Lizzie has no memory of him. He also has a long history with Capt. Jack, but Jack made a dramatic escape, as usual. Beckett has the napoleon complex and is, IMO, a eunuch with a vandetta.

Now add Tia, who basically knows everything about everyone, has been called everything from the goddess Calypso to a gypsy princess, and who can raise people from the dead.

NOW: for the big finish. Oh wait, i dont have one!!!! hahaha gotcha. bet you thought i was going to make some deep, theoretical revelation. Not really, i will leave that to the smarter people here. BUT here are some wild and funny theories that have popped into my head:

Tia is the mastermind behind the whole pirate gig. she gets a percent of all their plunder, in exchange for magical help. She got a taste for pirates years ago when her lover was simply too noble for his own good, and that bothered her.

Barbossa is jack's older brother.

norrington is lizzie's older brother, or Will's older brother, or both.

jack's hat is from tia dalma and makes him invincible.

jack has actually never been with a woman sexually. he gets women where he wants them, then runs off before they can get him tied down with a physical relationship.

scarlet is jack's older sister.

anna maria is related to jack, or tia dalma, or both.

jack's father gave up pirating to marry a nice proper girl, and jack has always been afraid the same thing will happen to him...

norrington's first true love was killed by pirates.

Elizabeth is the chosen one who will bring peace to the Caribbean... wait...

Wow i could go on and on, and probably will later. i love thinking up absurd theories. 🙂

Elizabeth is Will Turner's sister.

see straw hat..which makes the fact she suddenly out of nowhere wears that carbon copy Jack hat and meets "no hat" Jack all the more siginificant to my hat theory.

Suddenly wears this hat as soon as she meets him

Its there for every jack/Liz moment

She's basically starting to dress/act/tan up like him...but she has his missing hat...she symbolizes the part of him thats missing. Remember Jacks hat's not just a hat to him..its really important to him..

it takes a special actress to look good in those crazy hats.
🙂

and its nice to see liz in a pirate hat. now she just needs some dreds and a tattoo.

PS the tattoo should read: mrs. jack sparrow

Originally posted by LovelyOne
She's basically starting to dress/act/tan up like him...but she has his missing hat...she symbolizes the part of him thats missing. Remember Jacks hat's not just a hat to him..its really important to him.. [/B]

Exactly........so, so, so true.......

Woah love those pics. they make me so happy.
i get chills every time i see the liz jack almost kiss. WHAT DID ANY OF US DO BEFORE THEY KISSED????? i cant believe we lived so long thinking liz's future was all tied up.

b4 that kiss we all thought that she was obvi going to be with will and thought of no possibility of jack and elizabeth b4 we saw the 2nd movie

Originally posted by katelovespirate
Woah love those pics. they make me so happy.
i get chills every time i see the liz jack almost kiss. WHAT DID ANY OF US DO BEFORE THEY KISSED????? i cant believe we lived so long thinking liz's future was all tied up.

I'm not sure what we did with ourselves before the kiss and Pirates 2 came out. I love the pictures too. My favorite one is the one of the almost kiss - how hot does that look. Does that look like a man and woman who don't want to kiss each other. I don't think so....I see two people who are finding it harder and harder to resist temptation.....and for those who say Jack is not interested in Elizabeth - that is so not true - you can see it in his eyes and here it in his voice just before the kiss. Gosh, she says "Thank you, Jack. I always knew you were a good man." Then he replies in the most sexiest, caring voice Jack has ever possessed, "It's not over yet, love." This time when he says love, it's like he means it - not the flirtatious, carefree way he usually says it. He's looking at her like he is really seeing her for the first time - like at that moment he realizes she's more than just a young miss he flirts with - she's his soulmate. Especially when he whispers, "Pirate".

Originally posted by katelovespirate
PS the tattoo should read: mrs. jack sparrow

LOL that's too much - love it.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
NEW THOUGHT OF THE DAY:

Jack could have yelled to the crew to come up and get him out real quick. he didn't. he totally let them leave.
yeah i know DUH i just love thinking about these things... how jack wanted Liz to get away, wanted her to be safe, and probably would have stayed anyways.... and the amazingly sexy way he growls out the word "pirate"...

This is a very interesting thought. I was thinking that today when I watched it. Why isn't he more shocked when she chains his hand. It would have been so easy for him to hollar out to Gibbs to come save him - or to plead with Elizabeth in one of his crazy analytic ways to not leave him like that. Maybe he did plan to stay behind and face the beastie alone - so that's why he's smiling because she locked him up - thus proving she has chosen to be a pirate like him - and like we've said before, he's proud of who she has become.....realising that more than ever they are two peas in a pod....

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
This is a very interesting thought. I was thinking that today when I watched it. Why isn't he more shocked when she chains his hand. It would have been so easy for him to hollar out to Gibbs to come save him - or to plead with Elizabeth in one of his crazy analytic ways to not leave him like that. Maybe he did plan to stay behind and face the beastie alone - so that's why he's smiling because she locked him up - thus proving she has chosen to be a pirate like him - and like we've said before, he's proud of who she has become.....realising that more than ever they are two peas in a pod....

If we are going to put that argument us here's another: Jack managed to get on a lifeboat and leave the Pearl and yet the Kraken did not go after him but continued to attack the Pearl. So it was clear that the Kraken was after the Pearl; not Jack. So Elizabeth wanted Jack gone.

Originally posted by Supergurl_mia
i think that the only reason they added the whole jack and elizabeth thing was to add more conflict to the story. if they had left it out they story wouldnt have been as interesting. it also insures that alot moreppl will be coming back to see the 3rd one!!

plus (about the compass) its possible that all this love intrest between them too happened b/c liz thought she was interested in jack. everytime she looked at the compass she looks confused and suprised that it pointed to jack. and its also possible (that b/c the compass points to direction) that it was pointing to will it just so happens that jack was also standing in that direction. plus jack didnt seem interested in her at all. (of course he did alittle but not b/c he loves her) if u remember when he looked at the compass and it pointed to elizabeth he didnt think about her but made her move cuz the treasure was under her.

You contradict yourself - if the reason they added the whole Jack/Liz thing to get more people to come back - says alot about what the audience is hoping for. If the audience wants a Jack/Liz pairing, why would Disney just drop it in the third movie - they want it to be successful, don't they. I bet if we did an exit poll as people leave the theatre, over 75% of the people would be in favor of Jack and Elizabeth ending up together....And the compass thing - she doesn't look confused and surprised - she looked upset - like she knows deep down inside that she does want Jack, but is in denial. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Will was nowhere around in the three scenes where the compass points to Jack. Will was nowhere near the Black Pearl, he was trapped on the Flying Dutchman at the time. Jack is interested in Elizabeth - it's just that Jack is a man - he's not all doting on her, he has other purposes in life.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
If we are going to put that argument us here's another: Jack managed to get on a lifeboat and leave the Pearl and yet the Kraken did not go after him but continued to attack the Pearl. So it was clear that the Kraken was after the Pearl; not Jack. So Elizabeth wanted Jack gone.

Not true - we all know Davy Jones controls the Kraken - and he wants Jack's soul and the Black Pearl - the Kraken is definetly after Jack. Plus, what about earlier in the movie when DJ sends the Kraken after the merchant vessel that Will is on - he knows Will has the key so it's after him - yet when will is on a small raft the Kraken doesn't go after him - and Will also rides on the Flying Dutchman right under DJ's nose.

LovelyOne - Can i just say, I ADORE your hat theory. Very nicely deconstructed and it certainly seems to be logically consistent. You know, that hat-switching sequence in Tortuga actually bothered me both times when I watched the film because it seemed so random and apparently without purpose. I noticed it, but it was jarring because I felt like it was some kind of character point that the writers did not explain satisfactorily. NOW though, it makes perfect sense.

I gotta say though, the sexiness of this relationship would be vastly diminished without JD's brilliant interpretation of Jack Sparrow. I don't know how he does it. About 90% of the movie, Jack is utterly hilarious and crazy but then in one second, he'll go all serious and suddenly start radiating that dangerous sexuality. It makes me feel that the "drunken pirate" image is only a ruse and that underneath, Captain Jack is a VERY dangerous man. Heh. And when I say 'dangerous', I mean that in the hottest sense of the word. 😎

p.s. Maybe you pointed this out before, but can u explain when the FIRST time the compass pointed to Jack was? I thought the first time was on the ship, after the Norrington conversation? Do tell.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
If we are going to put that argument us here's another: Jack managed to get on a lifeboat and leave the Pearl and yet the Kraken did not go after him but continued to attack the Pearl. So it was clear that the Kraken was after the Pearl; not Jack. So Elizabeth wanted Jack gone.

Sorry but if that were true then it would completley contradict EVERYTHING Liz's character was sumbolizing throughout the entire movie. Not ONCE was there hint where she seems want to be "rid of Jack" before the end... so if that was why she really did it then it would make absolutly no sense AT ALL to the rest of the story.

I have answered and explained to you so many times why this cant be true and you seem to be completley ignoring what I say.

Liz's character is in denial throughout the entire movie that she really wants Jack.

At the end. YES she knew he could get away and JACK KNEW. but by the point Liz deided to do something piratelike and bad with Jack it was OVERDUE..she was supposed to have quenched her desire at the end of the curiosity scene (when she looked dissapointed that he pulled away) Had she got this one kiss earlier then end of the film would have never happened like it did.

Liz would NEVER..NEVER want to do anything to be rid of Jack..Her character is not like that at all..Disney stopped the kiss ealier so it would give a reason as to WHY she actually did that to jack later.....there is NO moment in the film at ALL that suggests she wants to be Rid of Jack (I think you just wish there was) So if there is no moment hinting that she wants to be rid of him before the end scene then what you sat is completley untrue...

she was basically overwhelmed by her wants and desires for Jack by that point in the movie..she went way too far with it. She got the kiss she longed for but she also got the rush of being bad like a pirate.

YES she knew they could all get away..and YES she knew Will probably could see her but by this point she didnt care..she wanted Jack and she wanted to be a pirate too much. so that live of hers "I'm doing it to save the others" is aload of BS..thats just the denial coming out in her again..trying to cover up the reason why she is really doing that to jack..which was to KISS him but ALSO be really bad with him to get a rush.

Jack also knew that she knew he could escape..yet he said NOTHING..why you say? Becuase he FINALLY had Liz where he wants her..and to him even death was worth keeping her there..he finally had her acting like a pirate..like him..she is finally on her level and he decided that death was worth keeping her there. He coudld have said somehing but no..he could have shouted out to the crew what liz was doing but KNOW he wanted this from her.

Originally posted by vegaofthelyre
LovelyOne - Can i just say, I ADORE your hat theory. Very nicely deconstructed and it certainly seems to be logically consistent. You know, that hat-switching sequence in Tortuga actually bothered me both times when I watched the film because it seemed so random and apparently without purpose. I noticed it, but it was jarring because I felt like it was some kind of character point that the writers did not explain satisfactorily. NOW though, it makes perfect sense.

I gotta say though, the sexiness of this relationship would be vastly diminished without JD's brilliant interpretation of Jack Sparrow. I don't know how he does it. About 90% of the movie, Jack is utterly hilarious and crazy but then in one second, he'll go all serious and suddenly start radiating that dangerous sexuality. It makes me feel that the "drunken pirate" image is only a ruse and that underneath, Captain Jack is a VERY dangerous man. Heh. And when I say 'dangerous', I mean that in the hottest sense of the word. 😎

p.s. Maybe you pointed this out before, but can u explain when the FIRST time the compass pointed to Jack was? I thought the first time was on the ship, after the Norrington conversation? Do tell.

hey thanks for liking it. 🙂

When he first gives her the compass to hold he runs away but he goes and crouches infront of her whilst its settleing..When it does he slowly raises up and you can see the point is pointing at him when he looks at it. Him ducking there the whole time whilst it was settling wouldnt mean that the compass is not pointing at him lol. That seemed to go over the heads of them all at that point. It points to the locarion where your heart desires..and ducking infront of it means that it's still be pointing at his direction.

so it means even when Liz first picked it up to look at it Jack was "coincidently" infront of it whilst it settles

My other post is riddled with spelling mistakes lol. I'm sorry 😂

I was rushing it and didnt check over it again.

Another hint at the beginning of the movie that sets the audience up for the Jack and Lizzie thing, but haven't seen anyone mention it yet. When Elizabeth is holding the gun to Lord Beckett and is forcing him to sign and stamp Jack's pardon papers. She says to him, "Take into your calculations, sir, that you have robbed me of my wedding night." As he's signing it, he says, "Ah, yes a marriage interrupted...or fate intervening? You seem to be going through alot of trouble to ensure Jack Sparrow's freedom." She gets real defensive, "Not Jack's, Will's". He has a look on his face, like, sure, whatever you say. (showing signs of fighting her secret thoughts - you know the old saying "Thou douse protest too much."😉

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Another hint at the beginning of the movie that sets the audience up for the Jack and Lizzie thing, but haven't seen anyone mention it yet. When Elizabeth is holding the gun to Lord Beckett and is forcing him to sign and stamp Jack's pardon papers. She says to him, "Take into your calculations, sir, that you have robbed me of my wedding night." As he's signing it, he says, "Ah, yes a marriage interrupted...or fate intervening? You seem to be going through alot of trouble to ensure Jack Sparrow's freedom." She gets real defensive, "Not Jack's, Will's". He has a look on his face, like, sure, whatever you say. (showing signs of fighting her secret thoughts - you know the old saying "Thou douse protest too much."😉

OMG good observation!

thats another hint to add to the pile of evidence lol

OMG HA! well done.

So thats two characters who knows what she's really after. Norrington and Beckett..

so we have the compass with both characters
the hat
the denial with Liz
The fact hints keep going over the characters heads
the fact that both norrington and Beckett can see right through her. Notice they are also part of the EIT company at the end..they can quite literally "see over everything". She cant see it yet.
the hints during the Jack/Liz moments
Will's priorities changing
Liz' priorities changing
Jacks' priorities changing
Will/davy Jone's similarity
Tia knowing what Jack wants but not telling him "because he would want to claim it for his own" I think she said
Tia knowing what Will's destiny involves but not saying a word.
The emphasis on Will's reaction in that scene as she spoke about Davy Jones
The continous hints in the Mise 'en Scene to Liz that married life is not what she wants(in prison, the gloomy wedding day, Will seeing her before hand BAD LUCK)
The fact that Will seemed to forget Liz duting the movie.

I think there are much more but we haven't spotted them yet