Israel and Lebanon

Started by Morgoths_Wrath43 pages
Originally posted by Alliance
If its so Syria's and Irans fault. Why not attack them? Isreal isn't concerned about solving the situation. Its bloodthirst.

So attacking Syria and Iran is going to solve the situation? On the contrary, it would escalade the situation into a global conflict. Israel is doing what they can to minimize the attacks that are happening on their boarders in Lebanon. They cut off the Hezbollah’s supply lines, and unfortunately there were civilian casualties. Do I like the fact that there are more Lebanese civilians being killed than Hezbollah terrorists? Hell no! I hate it. Then again, I hate the fact that the Middle-East cannot tolerate Israel as a state. There’s no winners in this conflict, and there is no one to point a solid finger at IMO.

Originally posted by Alliance
Lebanon cant control Hezbollah. Hezbollah's military wing is bigger and better more powerful than the Lebanese army. Hezbollah militants are in the south.

Beiruit's Airport is not a major military target. Nor are roads and bridges. Thats infrastructure. Does Hezbollah have a navy? No. Then why the blockade.

If its so Syria's and Irans fault. Why not attack them? Isreal isn't concerned about solving the situation. Its bloodthirst.

Airports, roads, bridges, ports are all supply lines. If Hezbollah has a larger army then Lebanon (proper) where do its supplies come from if its just a terrorist group? How does it get rockets and missiles with ranges of what 45 miles? How about its remotely guided planes with detonation charges?

Once again your looking at a very small picture here with just the Hezbollah attacks. Hezbollah are backed by Syria and Iran, thats where they get upgraded arms and such.

Ever wonder why it seems no matter how many bombs get dropped there seems to be no Hezbollah victims just civillians? Thats because the Hezbollah dress like civilians but to ploy for a larger international appeal it appears as increased civilian casualties. Make no bones there are civilian losses here but its being scewed.

Lebanon is a puppet country, the attacks on the infrastructure were to targets that have value to not only civilian but to military units as well.

There is little solid evidence that Lebanon is a "puppet country"- it most certainly has a past with Syria, but at this point in time it is a democratic nation that has moved some way from Syria as is far more autonomous and independent now - or are we forgetting all that trouble that happened when the Pro-Syrian Lobby was unable to get a solid control of the Lebanese government during the last election? In fact, if these US analysts we keep seeing on TV and in the newspaper here are telling the truth it goes something like this (paraphrased):

"The US is in a bad position, as they are faced with a choice of fully supporting Israels actions against Lebanon, despite the promising progress Lebanon was making in democratically distancing itself from the Syrian/Iranian alliance - with certain figures believing Lebanon could eventually be come a pro-western backer."

And it has been said before - it is a civilian airport, used by civilians. The Israelis could actually bomb actual Lebanese airforce bases, but they aren't - they keep attacking a civilian airport. And as Alliance said - Hezbollah have no navy, so there is hardly any reason to blockade the ports. Likewise the Israeli threats about sending the nation back 20 years - that hardly sounds like being directed at just the terrorists.

The defense people are throwing up that Israel is attacking targets that could be used militarily is bizarre - when first, they aren't at war with Lebanon (apparently only being after terrorists), second there are actual military targets they could attack but don't and third as there are no links between the terrorists and the airport/ports.

Airports, roads, bridges, ports are all supply lines. If Hezbollah has a larger army then Lebanon (proper) where do its supplies come from if its just a terrorist group? How does it get rockets and missiles with ranges of what 45 miles? How about its remotely guided planes with detonation charges?

Hezbollah are using Katyusha rockets that are Russian in design origin and mostly outdated - effective, but outdated. Nor is there any proof that Hezbollah makes use of the transport network to the degree that Israel is justified in bombing it despite it being civilian in nature.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Lebanese government and its civilians "poked the bear"? Because they're the ones being attacked without provocation by said government and civilians.

If it's a bear it's a bear that needs to be restrained.

😂 Yes. But the anology stands - you poke the bear and it'll maul you (And probably others) until you're dead... an analogy for the obvious overkill.

Originally posted by Alliance
Lebanon cant control Hezbollah. Hezbollah's military wing is bigger and better more powerful than the Lebanese army. Hezbollah militants are in the south.

Beiruit's Airport is not a major military target. Nor are roads and bridges. Thats infrastructure. Does Hezbollah have a navy? No. Then why the blockade.

If its so Syria's and Irans fault. Why not attack them? Isreal isn't concerned about solving the situation. Its bloodthirst.

Do you want to attack Israel? 😕

Hezbollah actually holds seats in the Leboneese government. I don't know why he keeps saying they're seperate.

Originally posted by §cimitar
Hezbollah actually holds seats in the Leboneese government. I don't know why he keeps saying they're seperate.
The Lebanese government has no power over the Hezbollah guerrilla forces.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Lebanese government has no power over the Hezbollah guerrilla forces.
😐

Hezbollah holds seats in the Leboneese Government. It's part of the government.

Originally posted by §cimitar
Do you want to attack Israel? 😕

No. But they are the clear agressor in this scenario, despite the fact that Hezbollah "started" it.

Originally posted by §cimitar
Hezbollah actually holds seats in the Leboneese government. I don't know why he keeps saying they're seperate.

Because they are. They are a political party. They are also a terrorist group. Nothing more nothing less. Get it?

There is a socialist senator, Bernie Sanders (I) Vermont. Does this mean that the US government is socialst? I think not!

Originally posted by §cimitar
😐

Hezbollah holds seats in the Leboneese Government. It's part of the government.

And the Lebanese Government as a whole has no capacity to try and assert control over Hezbollah-held territory. As has been noted by the U.S. itself.

Hezbollah has a stronger military than the Lebanese government. Lebanon does not need to start a civil war in addition to the one Isreal started.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. But they are the clear agressor in this scenario, despite the fact that Hezbollah "started" it.

Because they are. They are a political party. They are also a terrorist group. Nothing more nothing less. Get it?

There is a socialist senator, Bernie Sanders (I) Vermont. Does this mean that the US government is socialst? I think not!

Is there a terrorist group of socialists whose army is bigger and more powerful than the U.S. Militaries. ermm I think not!

Originally posted by §cimitar
Is there a terrorist group of socialists whose army is bigger and more powerful than the U.S. Militaries. ermm I think not!

Yeah. They're called scenarios. They are different for different countries.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah. They're called scenarios. They are different for different countries.
😱 Well this isn't a scenario, this is real. Lebanon's army is smaller than Hezbollah, which holds seats in it's government to begin with. That's the reality.

ARGH. OK.

My example was a comparison. You seem to be unable to undestand that just because there is a political party, one that grew out of a militant organization, it is not the government. My example attempted to help you to understand.

Every international community except fo Isreal draws a line of distinction. Hezbollah is not the Lebanese governement.

Israel is cleanin house.

Yeah, they're gettin rid of all their old weapons so the US can give them new ones.

Israel has it's social problems and i'm not saying abuses don't happen, but the fact is that due to a prevalent antisemitic undertone in global politics, particularly from the UN, Israel is judged by a higher standard than any other country. Any other nation would have bombed the shit out of lebanon and syria 17 years ago and gotten rid of arafat back when he invented the whole notion of terrorism targetting civillians in the 60's

I wonder if this whole mess will spreads to syria and maybe iran 🙁

Originally posted by Osaka
I wonder if this whole mess will spreads to syria and maybe iran 🙁

Iran would love that

People seem to be going mad and believing this will lead to WWIII, does anyone else here share the sentiment? Why? Why not?

It seems there are some politically inclined folks here, so I'm hoping to get a genuine response rather than "OH NO! FIGHTINGS! WAR!".

-AC