Israel and Lebanon

Originally posted by Soleran
Where's a Bardock42 post on this topic yet anyway, he posts his opinion frequently in all threads that pop up in the GDF!

Well thank you for this nice intro, I decided not to post in this thread before, since I have to admit I don't know all that happens with it, it's still pretty new. But from what I have gathered so far, I think it's an unjustified war and I think Israel, once more, uses shallow reasons to satisfy their egoistical needs. And I think the only action a Western country can take is to take the side of the Lebanon and to make Israel stop attacking their neighbouring countries for no just reasons.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And I think the only action a Western country can take is to take the side of the Lebanon and to make Israel stop attacking their neighbouring countries for no just reasons.

I just wish they'd be more expedient about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_crisis#Attacks_on_Israel

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think the only action a Western country can take is to take the side of the Lebanon and to make Israel stop attacking their neighbouring countries for no just reasons.

For no "just" reasons, lol.

Do you think Isreal using there superior military are right to attack the East Asia minor or are the Hamas Hezbolah wrong in committing terror assualts on any Westerner.

Originally posted by Soleran
For no "just" reasons, lol.

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Originally posted by Alliance
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That's exactly my point, glad you received a bit of clarity on the subject finally🙂

No. I'm laughing at you thinking Isreal's reasons are jsutified/rational and not just insane.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. I'm laughing at you thinking Isreal's reasons are jsutified/rational and not just insane.

Yeah crazy me, if Germany had mortars and missiles launched at it from a neighboring country while a ground unit was infilitrating its borders and taking hostages, I doubt whether they would consider that an act of war. Germany would send over some schnitzel and a bar maid.

Yeah crazy me, if China had mortars and missiles launched at it from a neighboring country while a ground unit was infilitrating its borders and taking hostages, I doubt whether they would consider that an act of war. China would probably send over some stir fry and a thank you.

Yeah crazy me, if Russia had mortars and missiles launched at it from a neighboring country while a ground unit was infilitrating its borders and taking hostages, I doubt whether they would consider that an act of war. Russia would probably send over some borsch and vodka.

Yeah crazy me, if the USA had mortars and missiles launched at it from a neighboring country while a ground unit was infilitrating its borders and taking hostages, I doubt whether they would consider that an act of war. USA would send over a huge howdy and some hooters girls.

Wow did we notice a trend there, I think so. When a neighboring country decides to drop missiles in your country and run ops typically you are looking at what are considered acts of war, get it?

Originally posted by Alliance
I can see some local retaliton. Hezbollah's main area of operation is in the South, along the border.

Technically, no retaliation would be the best option. But I understand their situation and I can give them a bit of leeway.

Though, giving everyone a night out at the discotecas woudl be a good solution 👆

Isreal must forget that Hezbollah developed mainly as a response to the Isreali occupation of Lebanon. RE-occubying the southern part of Lebanon is not going to imporve the situation, let alone solve anything.

In fact, to me it painfully obvious that the sitation is going to continuosly deteriorate, especialyl because neither Isreal nor the US can reisist implicating Syria and Iran. I think the destrction of the Egypt-Palestine gate and the flood of more people with terrorist intentions into Palestine from Egypt is evidence about how this is the WRONG path.

I think the sad fact of the matter is that there will be no peace in the Middle-East while Israel is around. They're not welcome in the neighborhood, and they either need to deal with the taunts and the slings or they need to fight.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
I think the sad fact of the matter is that there will be no peace in the Middle-East while Israel is around. They're not welcome in the neighborhood, and they either need to deal with the taunts and the slings or they need to fight.

Originally posted by Soleran
Wow did we notice a trend there, I think so. When a neighboring country decides to drop missiles in your country and run ops typically you are looking at what are considered acts of war, get it?

But that is the problem, IF the neighbouring country was involved then Israel would have JUST CAUSE to act this way - but the government is not involved, and thus the nation is not involved, and thus just cause does not rest with Israel. In a world of political definition, Israel is acting the aggressor as it is attacking the assets of a nation that is not implicitly involved with terrorist activities - they can say they are after terrorists all they want, but it doesn't improve their position. Lebanon is not Afghanistan - they are not aiding the terrorists, they are not hiding them, or helping them in their attacks.

I guess everybody remembers that when Bush and co. were talking about giving certain nations (the US being one of them) the power to go into another nation and deal with its terrorists that it was universally shot down by every nation, west and east? That Israel said no as well? It is relevant to this matter, and I guess you can see why.

And as to "acts of war" - since war can only be declared by declaration or actions by one nation on another, Lebanon has not declared war. However acts such as the blockading of ports are usually in conventional terms deemed acts of war - Lebanon is actually showing a lot of restraint (or perhaps fear) for not retaliating as a nation, which actually would be their right, especially as it appears they have the majority of national support, both in the Middle East and beyond.

For no "just" reasons, lol.

No, Bardock42 is right - Israel has no grounds in international law to be acting as they are, in fact they are in danger of breaking some. You seem to be stuck on saying "but they were bombed from another nation" - this does not equal being bombed *by* Lebanon. Understand? It does not, just like the US can't declare war on Libya and Saudi Arabia because people from there have left their nations and are being terrorists in Iraq.

"Illegal detention of citizens of other countries justifies bombing airports"...... Guantanamo.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
I think the sad fact of the matter is that there will be no peace in the Middle-East while Israel is around. They're not welcome in the neighborhood, and they either need to deal with the taunts and the slings or they need to fight.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
I think the sad fact of the matter is that there will be no peace in the Middle-East while Israel is around. They're not welcome in the neighborhood, and they either need to deal with the taunts and the slings or they need to fight.

If they fight they won;t be around long. THe US is in no position to be thier military for them.

Soleran. Please. Quit being delusional. HEZBOLLAH IS NOT THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT. Get over it. They kidnapped two soldiers, Isreal esentailly started a scorched earth open war against a terrorist organization. They ask the Lebanese government, which has been in power for only a year, to magically tame a radical islamic group, while they bomb the nation. Please. Isrela is actic physchotic. Its liek killing a child for taking candy.

Isreal's belligerancy formed Hesbollah...after this, I wouldn't be surprised if Hesbollah took control of the governement after this. All compliments of Isreal. The state that couldn't control itself.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Illegal detention of citizens of other countries justifies bombing airports"...... Guantanamo.

The world can not be reduced to a giant playground. 😐
And if it could Israel would be the bully. 😬

😐 Are you serious? Israel is more like a bear that when poked, mauls you. Overreaction, yeah, but they're not a 'bully'. They don't even go out looking for fights or pick on anyone until you start to kill it's soldiers and fire rockets into it's cities.

Soleran. Please. Quit being delusional. HEZBOLLAH IS NOT THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT. Get over it. They kidnapped two soldiers, Isreal esentailly started a scorched earth open war against a terrorist organization. They ask the Lebanese government, which has been in power for only a year, to magically tame a radical islamic group, while they bomb the nation. Please. Isrela is actic physchotic. Its liek killing a child for taking candy.

Once again I believe you need to go back and reread what happened in the initial conflict. It was more then just kidnapping 2 soldiers. That said Israel made a strong play after the Hezbollah did their thing.

Now more importantly Scimitar left up some terrific information as well that leads to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559. Read that then please just stop you sound like a half read media wanna be.

These actions were set in place before the last couple days actions, wake up smell the coffee Syria and Iran back these terrorists, fairly openly I might add. Lebanon unfortunetly was the pawn to the others and Israel had to first and formost treat them like a military threat and take out anything that could possibly benefit this group from their allies. In all actuality Lebanon might not even be a pawn but more of a mercy puppet to Syria and Iran to further their Jihad and garner public and international support.

Until more plays out I am certainly not going to take shots at Israel for doing what they felt they had to do considering there is no DMZ and the Hezballoh obviously has the capability to drop missiles on Israels northern cities now and not only the capability the DESIRE to.

Originally posted by §cimitar
😐 Are you serious? Israel is more like a bear that when poked, mauls you. Overreaction, yeah, but they're not a 'bully'. They don't even go out looking for fights or pick on anyone until you start to kill it's soldiers and fire rockets into it's cities.

If it's a bear it's a bear that needs to be restrained.

Originally posted by Soleran
Once again I believe you need to go back and reread what happened in the initial conflict. It was more then just kidnapping 2 soldiers. That said Israel made a strong play after the Hezbollah did their thing.

Now more importantly Scimitar left up some terrific information as well that leads to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559. Read that then please just stop you sound like a half read media wanna be.

These actions were set in place before the last couple days actions, wake up smell the coffee Syria and Iran back these terrorists, fairly openly I might add. Lebanon unfortunetly was the pawn to the others and Israel had to first and formost treat them like a military threat and take out anything that could possibly benefit this group from their allies. In all actuality Lebanon might not even be a pawn but more of a mercy puppet to Syria and Iran to further their Jihad and garner public and international support.

Until more plays out I am certainly not going to take shots at Israel for doing what they felt they had to do considering there is no DMZ and the Hezballoh obviously has the capability to drop missiles on Israels northern cities now and not only the capability the DESIRE to.

I know about the UN sanction against lebanon concerning Hezbollah. Yest, you continue not to respond to my information and simply label me a "half read media wanna be." Well, I have news for you. I'm not here to slander, I'm here to debate, so if you arent going to respond to my counter information and simply just attack me, stop wasting my and your time.

These actions were set in place before the last couple days actions, wake up smell the coffee Hezbollah is not the Lebanese govenrmet, a fact visible to everyone except for Isreal. Lebanon unfortunetly has a government that is a year old and barely has control of tiself, let alone militant terrorists. Israel had to first and formost treat them like a neighbor. Isreal needs to realize that they catalyzed the formation of Hezbollah by invading Lebanon. I can't bear to think what will happen this time around. Maybe Hezbollah will take control of the Lebanese governement, just like Hamas in Palestine. Even the US is giving support to Isreal. THAT shoudl be a wake up call to you and Isreal.

I don't knwo what you're waiting to play out, do you need open war? Isreal is WAY over the line. I don't know any nation in the world that hasn't said that ISREAL has way overreacted. Isreal continues to claim that no amount of force is a dispropotionate response to the kidnappings. (and yes they only referenced the kidnappings)

Lebanon is a puppet country, the attacks on the infrastructure were to targets that have value to not only civilian but to military units as well.

Seeing as the backers of the Hezbollah are Syria and Iran and that UN Council Resolutions did nothing to prompt change this is obviously going to be the hard road to travel for all of them.

Lebanon cant control Hezbollah. Hezbollah's military wing is bigger and better more powerful than the Lebanese army. Hezbollah militants are in the south.

Beiruit's Airport is not a major military target. Nor are roads and bridges. Thats infrastructure. Does Hezbollah have a navy? No. Then why the blockade.

If its so Syria's and Irans fault. Why not attack them? Isreal isn't concerned about solving the situation. Its bloodthirst.