Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Its generosity? Deluded much?
Very little actually. Considering Israel has been targeted by terrorist and terrorist supporting nations for 50+ years now,; they have been EXTREMELY generous. I doubt any Western country would have been so tolerant and would show as much restraint.
Originally posted by RobtardFunny, my dictionary doesn't define generosity as "apartheid, illegal belligerent occupation, and violation of human rights." Are you using the Oxford English or Webster's?
No, I am not. Considering Israel has been targeted by terrorist and terrorist supporting nations for 50+ years now,; they have been [B]EXTREMELY generous. [/B]
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Funny, my dictionary doesn't define generosity as "apartheid, illegal belligerent occupation, and violation of human rights." Are you using the Oxford English or Webster's?
Lol.. So I suppose suicide bombings and rockets fired into cafe's, schools, transit buses, churches, libraries, markets, malls and shops do not equal 'human right violations'...
You people make me laugh with your hypocrisy. Any other nation would have called it quites by now and just wiped their enemies clean off the map or died trying if they had sucked up a spoonful of what Israel has in respects to it civilian casualties. Yet you call Israel the bully, go figure.
Oh, not to mention for those of you who say "Hezbollah only kidnapped two soldiers, whats the big deal, Israel is going to far..." Do the six soldiers that were killed while kidnapping those two not count?
Originally posted by RobtardYeah I remember when I said that. Oh wait no I don't. Because I didn't. Condemnation of Israeli military conduct does not equal condoning of terrorist conduct.
Lol.. So I suppose suicide bombings and rockets fired into cafe's, schools, transit buses, churches, libraries, markets, malls and shops do not equal 'human right violations'...
Originally posted by Robtard800,000 displaced, as many as 900 Lebanese killed, mostly civilians many of them children, 3,000 wounded, 67 Israelis killed, 40 soldiers, 27 civilians. A disproportionate assault, achieving little if anything at all, as shown Hezbollah launching it's largest barrage of rockets yet only a day ago.
Oh, not to mention for those of you who say "Hezbollah only kidnapped two soldiers, whats the big deal, Israel is going to far..." Do the six soldiers that were killed while kidnapping those two not count?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeah I remember when I said that. Oh wait no I don't. Because I didn't. Condemnation of Israeli military conduct does not equal condoning of terrorist conduct.
Yet you blame Israel and not Hezbollah for the war going on and in return civilian deaths.
[800,000 displaced, as many as 900 Lebanese killed, mostly civilians many of them children, 3,000 wounded, 67 Israelis killed, 40 soldiers, 27 civilians. A disproportionate assault, achieving little if anything at all, as shown Hezbollah launching it's largest barrage of rockets yet only a day ago.
That's called war, it's not pretty, but it's just the facts of life... Also, don't fall for the 'mass Lebanese civilian deaths' bullshit, do you not know that Hezbollah terrorist hide by dressing in civilian attire, because no one knows how many of those 'civilians' were really civilian casualties. See, you act as if this is the first time Israel has be attacked by terrorist (who intentionally targets women & children) and they are 'over reactiing'; they have been attacked for 50 years, they are simply saying "enough is enough" this time. I ak you again, why are you not more enraged at hezbollah for intentionally targeting civilians? They fired several hundred rockets, just because they suck at aiming and only managed to kill 67 Israelis doesn't exonerate them of their intentions. If they had the ability to somehow magically kill 500 children with each rocket I guarantee they would do it.
And I beg to differ if "little if anything at all" as been achieved, this is far from over and hopefully they will stay in for the long fight and completely wipe those child murdering terrorist out to the last one. Also, Hezbollah launching a larger offensive only proves that Israel is right in fighting these terrorist.
Originally posted by RobtardThe civilian deaths are a result of both Hezbollah and Israel's conduct. That doesn't make them any less the result of Israel's disproportionate and indiscriminate actions.
Yet you blame Israel and not Hezbollah for the war going on and in return civilian deaths.
Originally posted by RobtardWoman and children, ambulances, journalists and the UN. All of those ~900 deaths were Hezbollah? Half? A quarter? A tenth - now we are in the realms of possibility and probability.
Also, don't fall for the 'mass Lebanese civilian deaths' bullshit, do you not know that Hezbollah terrorist hide by dressing in civilian attire
Originally posted by Robtard🤨 From where exactly does one derive that there was any implication 'only' killing 67 Israelis 'exonerates' Hezbollah. The part where I said condemnation of Israel doesn't equal condoning of Hezbollah? Nice strawman.
They fired several hundred rockets, just because they suck at aiming and only managed to kill 67 Israelis doesn't exonerate them of their intentions. If they had the ability to somehow magically kill 500 children with each rocket I guarantee they would do it.
Originally posted by RobtardSure it does. Deluded much?
And I beg to differ if "little if anything at all" as been achieved, this is far from over and hopefully they will stay in for the long fight and completely wipe those child murdering terrorist out to the last one. Also, Hezbollah launching a larger offensive only proves that Israel is right in fighting these terrorist.
Originally posted by Robtard
Well, when your enemy operates out of apartment complexes, schools and hospitals and uses civilians as shields what are you supposed to do? Say "oh well" and just sit back and take rocket after rocket fired are your own civilian population?I find it funny that people condemn Israel for the civilian casualties and not Hezbollah that ultimately puts them in harms way.
No, you dont say "Oh Well" and kick up your shoes. Israel did not use the smart bombs provided by US the way they are supposed to. They hit the wrong place.
As soon as the Jews hit Qana, reporters & rescuers went on scene, after it took them several hours to get there, thanks to Israel's bombing of the main roads, and all that was found was bloody civilian carnage.
NOT ONE single scrap of evidence of a Rocket Launcher in the building they hit. Also, Mass reports suggest that no Hezbollah Rockets were fired from Qana ; but somehow, someway, a building collapses killing dozens of civilians, mostly children. Was that self-defense ?
No, the 900 dead are civilian casualties. Hizbollah casualties are in addition.
It's in the Press. They are from casualty lists passed by Hizbollah to the Shaheed foundation, which is Iran's foundation that pays compensation to the families of those who die fighting Israel. They need an accurate casualty list to pay compensation to relatives of dead Hizbollah fighters.
I'm looking at The Independent, The Times, The Guardian, BBC, CNN, The NY Times, Washington Post and AP site. Even FOX News... ick. I can't find anything mentioning this. The only news source I can find the figure in is The Daily Telegraph and the The Independent has the figure at 50. 🤨 The veracity of either figure is questionable considering British newspaper bias on both sides.
And the number of Hizbollah killed clearly hasn't impacted the level at which they are able to launch attacks on Israel.
The Telegraph is a reuptable source and the figure is genuinely given. You'll have to do much more than simply disbelieve it, especially seeing as they have seen said lists. Calling them liars is a charge that requires substantiation.
Lebanese estaimtes of Hizbollah casualties are actually higher than the Israeli ones, interestingly.
They also make up some 10% of the entire Hizbollah fighting strength.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The Telegraph is a reuptable source and the figure is genuinely given. You'll have to do much more than simply disbelieve it, especially seeing as they have seen said lists. Calling them liars is a charge that requires substantiation.Lebanese estaimtes of Hizbollah casualties are actually higher than the Israeli ones, interestingly.
They also make up some 10% of the entire Hizbollah fighting strength.
Look, just provide us with a link or some sort of source, if it were up to me I'd believe you, but well, it's just stupid to do that...
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I have given you a source, genius. Go read it or simply think me a liar, it won't change anything. Frankly I don't care if you don't believe me, because that says more about you guys than me.
Well, where do you suppose I get one of them? Anyway, is it this one?
And if it happens to be true it will be in all news sooner or later, kind of a big deal, you know. So we can just play the waiting game.
The article is right here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/04/wmid04.xml
The Shia's have such a foot hold of power right now neither Sunni nor Jewish is safe with them around.
Originally posted by UshgarakI've read the article. I'm not saying the Telegraph is lying or isn't reputable, however I can't honestly say my skepticism is abated when no other print or television news source has given any similar figure. The "Lebanese officials" gave this information directly to the Telegraph while bypassing every other news source including the BBC, CNN and the AP? The Lebanese parliamentary website is in Arabic so that's no help. I'll remain incredulous until I see this report corroborated by other news sources.
The Telegraph is a reuptable source and the figure is genuinely given. You'll have to do much more than simply disbelieve it, especially seeing as they have seen said lists. Calling them liars is a charge that requires substantiation.Lebanese estaimtes of Hizbollah casualties are actually higher than the Israeli ones, interestingly.
They also make up some 10% of the entire Hizbollah fighting strength.