Israel and Lebanon

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Originally posted by Mindship
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And that clearly sums up the feeling which drives the political views of those who think "Bad Israel."

Stay evasive, pick and choose what you wanna believe. Certainly, you guys know better than even the world leaders and moderate Arab states which have said Hezbollah is responsible for starting this conflict. You guys can now quit your day jobs.

It's time for me to check out the Evolution vs Intelligent Design threads and see if the evolutionists are having any better luck.

Why, bombing villages and killing over 40 children in only one day makes them "good"?
You want to know the source of conflict? Why do you think they took 2 soldiers as hostages? Because there are thousands arabs in Israeli prisons, and some of them stayed there for 20 years. So taking only two soldiers as hostages (while israel got thousands arabs) is a good reason for bombing hundreds of inocent people?

Edit.

Originally posted by Robtard
They didn't...

What were the soldiers doing in Lebanese territory then? Playing hide and seek I guess.

Originally posted by Mindship
1. These have been done or tried, tried and failed because of the relentless Islamofacist mentality: "Destroy Israel. No negotiations. Just destroy Israel." Period. The 1967 war is a prime example (besides, I said be realistic in your response: Israel won't do anything to put itself back in harm's way, just like you wouldn't. I also said, spare me history tangents, as this is debatable and off-topic).

2. War is hell. Israel is doing what it deems necessary to protect itself, doing what Lebanon should've done: disarm Hezbollah. BTW, you see Hezbollah dropping leaflets on Israeli cities, warning them rockets are coming? No. You see Israel using its own citizens as shields? No. Hezbollah couldn't care less about its own people. It only cares about one thing: Destroy Israel. No negotiations. Just destroy Israel.

3. Last attempt was tried with Arafat. He reneged. If you want a more elaborate history of peace attempts, you can Google as well as I can. The point is, as Abba Eban said (whom, no doubt, the blame-Israel-crowd is wiser than): "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Since you did make something of an attempt to answer (if violating some of my conditions, like don't bring up history tangents), let me personalize this a bit more:

George is coming to kill you. He's told you so, more than once.
You tried talking to him, reasoning, appeasing. He doesn't care: he just wants to kill you.
You go to the authorities. Those who actually care about your plight start discussing among themselves what to do. Meanwhile, George is still coming to kill you.
IF you get the opportunity, you wound him. He gets caught, does time, comes out and is back on course to kill you.
Reasoning has failed. Notifying authorities has failed. Fighting back nonlethally has failed. George is coming to kill you. Worse, now he's going to do it in the sneakiest way possible. You'll never see it coming until it's too late.
You have two choices:
1. Live in fear, never knowing how or when your end is coming.
2. Take matters into your own hands.

What are you gonna do? Again, please don't be evasive. Just answer the question.

Arafat refused and rigtly so, have you even read the terms of the camp david agreement, it is bull and if you research it you will see just why Arafat refused it.

Originally posted by Robtard
I am American, South American and that has nothing to do with how I feel. You need to realize what WWII was about and the mindset of Japan in the 1940's. They weren't just a misunderstood island nation.
Please, my grandmother lived under Japanese occupation, my grandfather fought the Japanese in WWII. The Japanese committed atrocities. That doesn't preclude me from distinguishing that the use of nuclear warheads was unnecessary.
Originally posted by Robtard
Buy hey, if you want to think America was and is wrong, go ahead, you're not the only one.
Indeed, because many historians, scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project, Truman, his advisers and contemporaries knew the use of nuclear weapons was unnecessary.
Originally posted by Robtard
A picture is worth a thousand words...
If you're going to post all the pictures of Kofi Annan shaking hands with people it's going to take you a while.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]Please, my grandmother lived under Japanese occupation, my grandfather fought the Japanese in WWII. The Japanese committed atrocities. That doesn't preclude me from distinguishing that the use of nuclear warheads was unnecessary. Indeed, because many historians, scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project, Truman, his advisers and contemporaries knew the use of nuclear weapons was unnecessary.
If you're going to post all the pictures of Kofi Annan shaking hands with people it's going to take you a while.

So the Japanese strike first, commit horrible war crimes (ask the Chinese how they feel about the Japanese) refuse to surrender unless it's under their own terms and you're upset that American bombed them in order to spare more deaths on it's side (I won't argue the sparing Japanese lives, because it is a moot point with you). War is about defeating your enemy while simultaneously keeping your own people alive, America did/does not embrace the 'Divine Wind' way.

Yes, I know Kafi Annan shakes hands with everyone, but the head of the UN shaking hands with leaders of recognized nations is far different than shaking hands and smiling at the camera with the head of a known terrorist organization.

The only people in this Israel-Lebanon conflict who have my sympathy are the innocent civilians who are being senselessly slaughtered.

~ Kryzula

No, there isn't a negative PR campaign going on...

Reuters has admitted to editing a picture to make it look like Beirut was burning to the ground from over-reaching Israeli aggression.

The report that forty Lebanese died when Israel hit the southern village of Houla has been dismissed by none other than the Lebanese Prime Minister, he lowered the dead toll on this 'massive' air strike to one.

I'm telling you, what is wrong with Israel, they have no regard for civilian casulties and yet they can only kill so few? 🙄

Victor Davis Hanson of "National Review" lends his unique blend of caustic, insightful sanity to the debate.

The Vocabulary of Untruth
Words take on new meanings as Israel struggles to survive.

By Victor Davis Hanson

A “ceasefire” would occur should Hezbollah give back kidnapped Israelis and stop launching missiles; it would never follow a unilateral cessation of Israeli bombing. In fact, we will hear international calls for one only when Hezbollah’s rockets are about exhausted.
“Civilians” in Lebanon have munitions in their basements and deliberately wish to draw fire; in Israel they are in bunkers to avoid it. Israel uses precision weapons to avoid hitting them; Hezbollah sends random missiles into Israel to ensure they are struck.

“Collateral damage” refers mostly to casualties among Hezbollah’s human shields; it can never be used to describe civilian deaths inside Israel, because everything there is by intent a target.

“Cycle of Violence” is used to denigrate those who are attacked, but are not supposed to win.

“Deliberate” reflects the accuracy of Israeli bombs hitting their targets; it never refers to Hezbollah rockets that are meant to destroy anything they can.

“Deplore” is usually evoked against Israel by those who themselves have slaughtered noncombatants or allowed them to perish — such as the Russians in Grozny, the Syrians in Hama, or the U.N. in Rwanda and Dafur.

“Disproportionate” means that the Hezbollah aggressors whose primitive rockets can’t kill very many Israeli civilians are losing, while the Israelis’ sophisticated response is deadly against the combatants themselves. See “excessive.”

Anytime you hear the adjective “excessive,” Hezbollah is losing. Anytime you don’t, it isn’t.

“Eyewitnesses” usually aren’t, and their testimony is cited only against Israel.

“Grave concern” is used by Europeans and Arabs who privately concede there is no future for Lebanon unless Hezbollah is destroyed — and it should preferably be done by the “Zionists” who can then be easily blamed for doing it.

“Innocent” often refers to Lebanese who aid the stockpiling of rockets or live next to those who do. It rarely refers to Israelis under attack.

The “militants” of Hezbollah don’t wear uniforms, and their prime targets are not those Israelis who do.

“Multinational,” as in “multinational force,” usually means “third-world mercenaries who sympathize with Hezbollah.” See “peacekeepers.”

“Peacekeepers” keep no peace, but always side with the less Western of the belligerents.

“Quarter-ton” is used to describe what in other, non-Israeli militaries are known as “500-pound” bombs.

“Shocked” is used, first, by diplomats who really are not; and, second, only evoked against the response of Israel, never the attack of Hezbollah.

“United Nations Action” refers to an action that Russia or China would not veto. The organization’s operatives usually watch terrorists arm before their eyes. They are almost always guilty of what they accuse others of.

What explains this distortion of language? A lot.

First there is the need for Middle Eastern oil. Take that away, and the war would receive the same scant attention as bloodletting in central Africa.

Then there is the fear of Islamic terrorism. If the Middle East were Buddhist, the world would care about Lebanon as little as it does about occupied Tibet.

And don’t forget the old anti-Semitism. If Russia or France were shelled by neighbors, Putin and Chirac would be threatening nuclear retaliation.

Israel is the symbol of the hated West. Were it a client of China, no one would dare say a word.

Population and size count for a lot: When India threatened Pakistan with nukes for its support of terrorism a few years ago, no one uttered any serious rebuke.

Finally, there is the worry that Israel might upset things in Iraq. If we were not in Afghanistan and Iraq trying to win hearts and minds, we wouldn’t be pressuring Israel behind the scenes.

But most of all, the world deplores the Jewish state because it is strong, and can strike back rather than suffer. In fact, global onlookers would prefer either one of two scenarios for the long-suffering Jews to learn their lesson. The first is absolute symmetry and moral equivalence: when Israel is attacked, it kills only as many as it loses. For each rocket that lands, it drops only one bomb in retaliation — as if any aggressor in the history of warfare has ever ceased its attacks on such insane logic.

The other desideratum is the destruction of Israel itself. Iran promised to wipe Israel off the map, and then gave Hezbollah thousands of missiles to fulfill that pledge. In response, the world snored. If tomorrow more powerful rockets hit Tel Aviv armed with Syrian chemicals or biological agents, or Iranian nukes, the “international” community would urge “restraint” — and keep urging it until Israel disappeared altogether. And the day after its disappearance, the Europeans and Arabs would sigh relief, mumble a few pieties, and then smile, “Life goes on.”

And for them, it would very wellNational Review National Review National Review National Review

Good post you damn dirty ape. 😉

Thanks Dr. Zaius!

I guess I am in the minority since none of my opinions/words are tainted by such bias. Yay for being literal! =)

~ Kryzula

Originally posted by Robtard
So the Japanese strike first, commit horrible war crimes (ask the Chinese how they feel about the Japanese) refuse to surrender unless it's under their own terms and you're upset that American bombed them in order to spare more deaths on it's side (I won't argue the sparing Japanese lives, because it is a moot point with you). War is about defeating your enemy while simultaneously keeping your own people alive, America did/does not embrace the 'Divine Wind' way.
I'm not going to argue with you over the necessity of use of nuclear warheads because historical retrospect has shown there was no necessity.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, I know Kafi Annan shakes hands with everyone, but the head of the UN shaking hands with leaders of recognized nations is far different than shaking hands and smiling at the camera with the head of a known terrorist organization.
In 2000, and currently Hezbollah is the de facto power in southern Lebanon.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, there isn't a negative PR campaign going on...

Reuters has admitted to editing a picture to make it look like Beirut was burning to the ground from over-reaching Israeli aggression.

Does Reuters edit reality to produce 900 dead bodies?
Originally posted by Robtard
The report that forty Lebanese died when Israel hit the southern village of Houla has been dismissed by none other than the Lebanese Prime Minister, he lowered the dead toll on this 'massive' air strike to one.
Finding 50 people alive under rubble is a good thing, yes.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm telling you, what is wrong with Israel, they have no regard for civilian casulties and yet they can only kill so few? 🙄
You would prefer they kill more than they currently have?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not going to argue with you over the necessity of use of nuclear warheads because historical retrospect has shown there was no necessity.
In 2000, and currently Hezbollah is the de facto power in southern Lebanon.Does Reuters edit reality to produce 900 dead bodies?
Finding 50 people alive under rubble is a good thing, yes.
You would prefer they kill more than they currently have?

The bomb wasn't necessary for America to defeat Japan, I agree, that is a non issue, they sealed their fate on December 7th 1941. Just curious though, how was America to defeat Japan unconditionally and not lose any more lives without dropping the bomb?

So Hezbollah (a known terrorist organization) is in power, Israel is fighting against this power and Israel is wrong. OK...

900+ is the reality of total dead, but how many of those are 'innocents' and not militants as the media likes to twist and flaunt the facts as seen? Also, wouldn't you say that is a pathetically low death count for a war if Israel in fact wasn't taking any precautions? Don't you think they could kill fifty times that number if they were indiscriminately bombing Lebanon?

Lol, do not try and turn this on me, you're the one that demonizes Israel over the death count difference. I never said more civilians dead was a good thing , I only defend Israel that it isn't their fault when innocent civilians are killed, Hezbollah put those people in harms way.

Originally posted by Robtard
The bomb wasn't necessary for America to defeat Japan, I agree, that is a non issue, they sealed their fate on December 7th 1941. Just curious though, how was America to defeat Japan unconditionally and not lose any more lives without dropping the bomb?

So Hezbollah (a known terrorist organization) is in power, Israel is fighting against this power and Israel is wrong. OK...

900+ is the reality of total dead, but how many of those are 'innocents' and not militants as the media likes to twist and flaunt the facts as seen? Also, wouldn't you say that is a pathetically low death count for a war if Israel in fact wasn't taking any precautions? Don't you think they could kill fifty times that number if they were indiscriminately bombing Lebanon?

Lol, do not try and turn this on me, you're the one that demonizes Israel over the death count difference. I never said more civilians dead was a good thing , I only defend Israel that it isn't their fault when innocent civilians are killed, Hezbollah put those people in harms way.

Reminder of your initial statement on Hiroshima "If America did not bomb Japan a massive ground invasion would have been necessary to end the pacific war. That would have caused the war to go on for a MUCH longer and the death count would have risen to who knows how high, especially on the American side. Remember, 'Little Boy' was dropped and Japan still did not surrender.

I take it you think America was acting in the wrong, maybe acting like a terrorist state since massive amounts of civilian men, women and children were killed in both explosions?

Incase you didn't know, Japan was working on a bomb of it's own, according to their own Kyodo news."
"But just answer me this, was Japan ready to surrender on August 5th 1945?"
When confronted with historical analysis you change tack.
http://www.ncesa.org/html/hiroshima.html

900+ dead, predominantly civilians. Unless one is to believe the majority of people in Lebanon are Hezbollah. Thousands injured and hundreds of thousands displaced. Infrastructure bombed with impunity.

Hezbollah are a group that commit terrible abhorrent acts. No one is denying that. But they are a group which defeat by force is an improbability.

How much destruction and death does Israel have to induce for you to believe they have transgressed?
And aside from public image, do you believe the Israeli Defence and Air Forces have a high regard for non-Israeli civilian lives?

Originally posted by Robtard
No, there isn't a negative PR campaign going on...

Reuters has admitted to editing a picture to make it look like Beirut was burning to the ground from over-reaching Israeli aggression.

The report that forty Lebanese died when Israel hit the southern village of Houla has been dismissed by none other than the Lebanese Prime Minister, he lowered the dead toll on this 'massive' air strike to one.

I'm telling you, what is wrong with Israel, they have no regard for civilian casulties and yet they can only kill so few? 🙄

I never heard that, and even if it's true that's only one lie out of all the bombings.

Don't you think IDF dited crap either? When they show planes firing at "Katushya firing spots."? It's been done by others in the past. In this case, it's most likely bollocks as well.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Reminder of your initial statement on Hiroshima "If America did not bomb Japan a massive ground invasion would have been necessary to end the pacific war. That would have caused the war to go on for a MUCH longer and the death count would have risen to who knows how high, especially on the American side. Remember, 'Little Boy' was dropped and Japan still did not surrender.

I take it you think America was acting in the wrong, maybe acting like a terrorist state since massive amounts of civilian men, women and children were killed in both explosions?

Incase you didn't know, Japan was working on a bomb of it's own, according to their own Kyodo news."
"But just answer me this, was Japan ready to surrender on August 5th 1945?"
When confronted with historical analysis you change tack.
http://www.ncesa.org/html/hiroshima.html

900+ dead, predominantly civilians. Unless one is to believe the majority of people in Lebanon are Hezbollah. Thousands injured and hundreds of thousands displaced. Infrastructure bombed with impunity.

Hezbollah are a group that commit terrible abhorrent acts. No one is denying that. But they are a group which defeat by force is an improbability.

How much destruction and death does Israel have to induce for you to believe they have transgressed?
And aside from public image, do you believe the Israeli Defence and Air Forces have a high regard for non-Israeli civilian lives?

OK.... Where in my initial response or any response does it say "The bomb had (only option) to be dropped for a victory"? It doesn't, it was an option out of three probable options to put an end to the war. 1) Let the Japanese surrender, but on their own terms 2) Invade by ground 3) Bomb

Option one would have been the 'nice' thing to do, but America had no obligation to allow Japan terms of their choosing. Remember who attacked first and what was Japans goal along with the Germans. Also, ask the Chinese what the Japanese did to them during the occupation.

Option two would have succeeded, but it would have caused further American casualties along with Japanese casualties.

Option three caused Japan to surrender unconditionally, which is what America wanted and no further American blood needed to be spilled which is what America wanted.

I did not change tactics, as you can clearly see and you did not answer my question. How was America going to win unconditionally and not suffer further losses without dropping the bomb if the bomb was the wrong thing to do?

OK, Ill bite, lets just say every single one of those 900 people are civilians, why so few if Israel is indiscriminately bombing with impunity? By the rational, 'Israel doesn't care who it kills', shouldn't the death toll be WAY higher, in the thousands?

Hezbollah are terrorist and terrorist by nature commit horrible crimes. So why not defeat them? If you had cancer, even a cancer that most likely could not be cured, would you not fight to destroy it? What's the other option, do nothing and let it kill you? That sounds reasonable?

Considering the actions they took before they started attacking and the FACT the only 900 people killed in a war with how many targets they have destroyed (you supplied the long list), yes, I think they have a regard for civilian life. If they didn't the death toll would be 9,000+ by now and that is being conservative.

Originally posted by Dirty Vader
I never heard that, and even if it's true that's only one lie out of all the bombings.

Don't you think IDF dited crap either? When they show planes firing at "Katushya firing spots."? It's been done by others in the past. In this case, it's most likely bollocks as well.

OK, lets just say it is a lie and forty were killed since you never heard of it but let me ask you a question though.

If Israel did not care about the Lebanese civilians and/or was in fact targeting them and/or was just bombing the living sh!t out of Lebanon in some sort of vengeful Jew blood-lust. Why only 900 killed? With Israel's military, shouldn't they be able to kill more than 900 in a war like that?

Originally posted by Robtard
OK.... Where in my initial response or any response does it say "The bomb had (only option) to be dropped for a victory"? It doesn't, it was an option out of three probable options to put an end to the war. 1) Let the Japanese surrender, but on their own terms 2) Invade by ground 3) Bomb

Option one would have been the 'nice' thing to do, but America had no obligation to allow Japan terms of their choosing. Remember who attacked first and what was Japans goal along with the Germans. Also, ask the Chinese what the Japanese did to them during the occupation.

Option two would have succeeded, but it would have caused further American casualties along with Japanese casualties.

Option three caused Japan to surrender unconditionally, which is what America wanted and no further American blood needed to be spilled which is what America wanted.

I did not change tactics, as you can clearly see and you did not answer my question. How was America going to win unconditionally and not suffer further losses without dropping the bomb if the bomb was the wrong thing to do?

The qualifier unconditional did not enter any of your statements until after you had been given historical analysis in response to your prior statements.
Originally posted by Robtard
OK, Ill bite, lets just say every single one of those 900 people are civilians, why so few if Israel is indiscriminately bombing with impunity? By the rational, 'Israel doesn't care who it kills', shouldn't the death toll be WAY higher, in the thousands?

Considering the actions they took before they started attacking and the FACT the only 900 people killed in a war with how many targets they have destroyed (you supplied the long list), yes, I think they have a regard for civilian life. If they didn't the death toll would be 9,000+ by now and that is being conservative.

I said aside from public image.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hezbollah are terrorist and terrorist by nature commit horrible crimes. So why not defeat them? If you had cancer, even a cancer that most likely could not be cured, would you not fight to destroy it? What's the other option, do nothing and let it kill you? That sounds reasonable?
I didn't say they shouldn't be defeated. I said they couldn't be defeated by force. It is an implausibility. The cancer is in another's body and you are killing that other person while strengthening the cancer in the long term.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The qualifier unconditional did not enter any of your statements until after you had been given historical analysis in response to your prior statements.
I said aside from public image.
I didn't say they shouldn't be defeated. I said they couldn't be defeated by force. It is an implausibility. The cancer is in another's body and you are killing that other person while strengthening the cancer in the long term.

Lol, won't or can't answer the question? I said Japan did not want to surrender right? How is that different, not wanting to unconditionally surrender is not wanting to surrender, remember it's war. Japan did not want to surrender and it didn't surrender given several opportunities, before the 1st bomb was dropped and the three days it had to consider before the 2nd bomb was dropped.

I'll repeat my question...'How was America going to win unconditionally and not suffer further losses without dropping the bomb if the bomb was the wrong thing to do?'

And your point? I answered your question, I BELIEVE ISRAEL CARES FOR THE LOSS OF CIVILIAN LIFE IN LEBANON... I have given and gave you reasons for why I think this, if they didn't care more than 900 would be dead.

I'll repeat my other question... 'OK, Ill bite, lets just say every single one of those 900 people are civilians, why so few if Israel is indiscriminately bombing with impunity? By the rational, 'Israel doesn't care who it kills', shouldn't the death toll be WAY higher, in the thousands?'

So Israel should let itself die? Or, will Hezbollah let Israel live alone in peace if they give back the land you claim caused Hezbollah to attack? Remember, Hezbollah (along with Iran and other radical Islamic groups) have vowed that there will be no peace until Israel is gone, as in wiped off the map.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, won't or can't answer the question? I said Japan did not want to surrender right? How is that different, not wanting to unconditionally surrender is not wanting to surrender, remember it's war. Japan did not want to surrender and it didn't surrender given several opportunities, before the 1st bomb was dropped and the three days it had to consider before the 2nd bomb was dropped.

I'll repeat my question...'How was America going to win unconditionally and not suffer further losses without dropping the bomb if the bomb was the wrong thing to do?'

Your question is not relevant to anything that I've stated, and is basically invalid, America having already won. I have maintained that the use of nuclear weapons was unnecessary to end the war as alternatives were available. That is true. You stated that they were necessary to prevent an invasion, that is false. You've stated the Japanese did not want to surrender, that is false. Did you actually know any of the historical context at all when you wrote these inaccurate statements?

The requirement of "unconditional surrender" was used to extend the Manhattan project. The term "unconditional surrender" was used vaguely with regard to both Germany and Japan with multiple meanings. It was little more than a propaganda tool used to prolong the war so that nuclear weapons could be used. The weapon was always intended to be used, the Truman Administration knowing that the Japanese would never accept surrender of the Emperor, in Japanese culture being their divine ruler, a direct descendant of the Sun Goddess, Amaterasu.

'On July 20, 1945, under instructions from Washington, I went to the Potsdam Conference and reported there to Secretary [of War] Stimson on what I had learned from Tokyo – they desired to surrender if they could retain the Emperor and their constitution as a basis for maintaining discipline and order in Japan after the devastating news of surrender became known to the Japanese people.’ Allen Dulles, Chief of Office of Strategic Services in Switzerland.

"I was a little fearful that before we could get ready the Air Force might have Japan so thoroughly bombed out that the new weapon would not have a fair background to show its strength." Secretary of War Stimson

The military echelon even accepted that the authority of the Emperor would be a useful to them.

"From a strictly military point of view, the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider it inadvisable to make any statement or take any action at the present time that would make it difficult or impossible to utilize the authority of the Emperor to direct a surrender of the Japanese forces, in the outlying areas as well as in Japan proper." Chief of Staff William Leahy.

The targets were not selected for military purposes. They wanted to see what it could do to an intact city, most other cities having been destroyed by incendiary bombs.

After Nagasaki the Japanese sent a message to the U.S. administration that they would accept Potsdam "with the understanding that the said declaration does not comprise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler." The response by Truman was that "the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule that state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper".

The surrender in effect was conditional as the condition the Japanese wanted was that Emperor Hirohito, both Japan's monarch and a religious figure, was to keep his throne and not be subject to any war crimes trial. Emperor Hirohito was never tried for war crimes and remained on the throne as Japan's constitutional monarch until his death in 1989.

The use of nuclear weapons in WWII was for several of reasons, least of which surrender of the Empire of Japan. It was not so much the last shot in WWII as the first shot in Cold War.

The military and political elite knew it at the time, the scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project protested its use. And historical retrospect shows the use was unnecessary.

"It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime." General Eisenhower.

Originally posted by Robtard
And your point? I answered your question, I BELIEVE ISRAEL CARES FOR THE LOSS OF CIVILIAN LIFE IN LEBANON... I have given and gave you reasons for why I think this, if they didn't care more than 900 would be dead.

I'll repeat my other question... 'OK, Ill bite, lets just say every single one of those 900 people are civilians, why so few if Israel is indiscriminately bombing with impunity? By the rational, 'Israel doesn't care who it kills', shouldn't the death toll be WAY higher, in the thousands?'

So Israel should let itself die? Or, will Hezbollah let Israel live alone in peace if they give back the land you claim caused Hezbollah to attack? Remember, Hezbollah (along with Iran and other radical Islamic groups) have vowed that there will be no peace until Israel is gone, as in wiped off the map.

Because to show less regard for civilian lives would be bad PR and would probably amount to war crimes even the U.S. couldn't ignore.

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/

'“The pattern of attacks shows the Israeli military’s disturbing disregard for the lives of Lebanese civilians,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “Our research shows that Israel’s claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians does not explain, let alone justify, Israel’s indiscriminate warfare.”

Human Rights Watch researchers found numerous cases in which the IDF launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military objectives but excessive civilian cost. In many cases, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some instances, Israeli forces appear to have deliberately targeted civilians.

In one case, an Israeli air strike on July 13 destroyed the home of a cleric known to have sympathy for Hezbollah but who was not known to have taken any active part in the hostilities. Even if the IDF considered him a legitimate target (and Human Rights Watch has no evidence that he was), the strike killed him, his wife, their 10 children and the family’s Sri Lankan maid.

On July 16, an Israeli aircraft fired on a civilian home in the village of Aitaroun, killing 11 members of the al-Akhrass family, among them seven Canadian-Lebanese dual nationals who were vacationing in the village when the war began. Human Rights Watch independently interviewed three villagers who vigorously denied that the family had any connection to Hezbollah. Among the victims were children aged one, three, five and seven.'

How much destruction and death does Israel have to induce for you to believe they have transgressed?
What do you actually think the most probable outcome of the current situation will achieve?