Israel and Lebanon

Started by mountains son43 pages

1000 Lebanon civilian killed by now
1/3 of them children
And around 30 innocent killed in Israel by( Hezbollah )
I think Israel use exercise violence and the hole world agree with that, of course except Bush and Blair which he will dream in my vote.

my believe is in any war the enemy is the war itself, don't ever support a war.

wither Israel or Lebanon, the war has to be stoped, and until now Israel gov refuse that.

i think the most important fact of life is our common humanity

I wish that Israel gov stop the fire

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." Albert Einstein
"There never was a good war, or a bad peace." Benjamin Franklin

Hezbollah accidently killed 30 inocent people because Israel forced them for war (yes they forced them, and 2 hostages is just an excuse because there are thousands arabs in israel prisons), and Hezbollah is called a terrorist organization, Israel killed 1000 inocent people, they bombed villages, houses and they knew there were no Hezbollah memebrs, they just didn't care if they bomb inocent people or not. Why only 1000 and not 10000 you ask? Because world is already speaks against them for bombing 1000 and if they destroyed entire country then Iran and Syria would've get involved instantly. So Hezbollah killed 30 and they are terrorists, Israel killed 1000 and they are not, yeah makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Hezbollah accidently killed 30 inocent people because Israel forced them for war (yes they forced them, and [B]2 hostages is just an excuse because there are thousands arabs in israel prisons), and Hezbollah is called a terrorist organization [/B]

Why do I get the feeling that everyone things taking two Israel soldiers hostage was justified. If two Hezbollah troops were taken hostage, Hezbollah itself would find enough excuses to start bombing Israel.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Why do I get the feeling that everyone things taking two Israel soldiers hostage was justified. If two Hezbollah troops were taken hostage, Hezbollah itself would find enough excuses to start bombing Israel.

And thousands arabs in Israel prisons do not count?

Originally posted by Sam Z
And thousands arabs in Israel prisons do not count?

those "thousands" are allegedly criminals and murderers. To my knowledge there are no such allegations against the specified Israeli soldiers.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And thousands arabs in Israel prisons do not count?

Are you secretly a Hezbollah?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Your question is not relevant to anything that I've stated, and is basically invalid, America having already won. I have maintained that the use of nuclear weapons was unnecessary to end the war as alternatives were available. That is true. You stated that they were necessary to prevent an invasion, that is false. You've stated the Japanese did not want to surrender, that is false. Did you actually know any of the historical context at all when you wrote these inaccurate statements?

The requirement of "unconditional surrender" was used to extend the Manhattan project. The term "unconditional surrender" was used vaguely with regard to both Germany and Japan with multiple meanings. It was little more than a propaganda tool used to prolong the war so that nuclear weapons could be used. The weapon was always intended to be used, the Truman Administration knowing that the Japanese would never accept surrender of the Emperor, in Japanese culture being their divine ruler, a direct descendant of the Sun Goddess, Amaterasu.

'On July 20, 1945, under instructions from Washington, I went to the Potsdam Conference and reported there to Secretary [of War] Stimson on what I had learned from Tokyo – they desired to surrender if they could retain the Emperor and their constitution as a basis for maintaining discipline and order in Japan after the devastating news of surrender became known to the Japanese people.’ Allen Dulles, Chief of Office of Strategic Services in Switzerland.

"I was a little fearful that before we could get ready the Air Force might have Japan so thoroughly bombed out that the new weapon would not have a fair background to show its strength." Secretary of War Stimson

The military echelon even accepted that the authority of the Emperor would be a useful to them.

"From a strictly military point of view, the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider it inadvisable to make any statement or take any action at the present time that would make it difficult or impossible to utilize the authority of the Emperor to direct a surrender of the Japanese forces, in the outlying areas as well as in Japan proper." Chief of Staff William Leahy.

The targets were not selected for military purposes. They wanted to see what it could do to an intact city, most other cities having been destroyed by incendiary bombs.

After Nagasaki the Japanese sent a message to the U.S. administration that they would accept Potsdam "with the understanding that the said declaration does not comprise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler." The response by Truman was that "the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese Government to rule that state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers who will take such steps as he deems proper".

The surrender in effect was conditional as the condition the Japanese wanted was that Emperor Hirohito, both Japan's monarch and a religious figure, was to keep his throne and not be subject to any war crimes trial. Emperor Hirohito was never tried for war crimes and remained on the throne as Japan's constitutional monarch until his death in 1989.

The use of nuclear weapons in WWII was for several of reasons, least of which surrender of the Empire of Japan. It was not so much the last shot in WWII as the first shot in Cold War.

The military and political elite knew it at the time, the scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project protested its use. And historical retrospect shows the use was unnecessary.

"It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime." General Eisenhower.
Because to show less regard for civilian lives would be bad PR and would probably amount to war crimes even the U.S. couldn't ignore.

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/

'“The pattern of attacks shows the Israeli military’s disturbing disregard for the lives of Lebanese civilians,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “Our research shows that Israel’s claim that Hezbollah fighters are hiding among civilians does not explain, let alone justify, Israel’s indiscriminate warfare.”

Human Rights Watch researchers found numerous cases in which the IDF launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military objectives but excessive civilian cost. In many cases, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some instances, Israeli forces appear to have deliberately targeted civilians.

In one case, an Israeli air strike on July 13 destroyed the home of a cleric known to have sympathy for Hezbollah but who was not known to have taken any active part in the hostilities. Even if the IDF considered him a legitimate target (and Human Rights Watch has no evidence that he was), the strike killed him, his wife, their 10 children and the family’s Sri Lankan maid.

On July 16, an Israeli aircraft fired on a civilian home in the village of Aitaroun, killing 11 members of the al-Akhrass family, among them seven Canadian-Lebanese dual nationals who were vacationing in the village when the war began. Human Rights Watch independently interviewed three villagers who vigorously denied that the family had any connection to Hezbollah. Among the victims were children aged one, three, five and seven.'

How much destruction and death does Israel have to induce for you to believe they have transgressed?
What do you actually think the most probable outcome of the current situation will achieve?

So America is wrong for choosing to use the bomb out of other options, but you cannot or will not state what other option would have been better for America. OK.

I seriously wonder if Japan & Germany would have been so kind to England, America and Russia, let alone the rest of the world if the tables had been turned.

Oh, ok, so now Israel is bombing Lebanon indiscriminately and with impunity as you claim but somehow they're still holding back because of PR. Gotcha.

'Spiro Agnew' buddy.

Originally posted by docb77
those "thousands" are allegedly criminals and murderers. To my knowledge there are no such allegations against the specified Israeli soldiers.

Allegedly all thousands, that's what Israel says, and that is rediculous. Thousands arabs and all killers or criminals? Bullcrap.
If two hostages worth 1000 inocent lifes then how many lifes are supposed to worth 1000s inocent people in prisons?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Are you secretly a Hezbollah?

No😏

Originally posted by Sam Z
Hezbollah accidently killed 30 inocent people because Israel forced them for war (yes they forced them, and 2 hostages is just an excuse because there are thousands arabs in israel prisons), and Hezbollah is called a terrorist organization, Israel killed 1000 inocent people, they bombed villages, houses and they knew there were no Hezbollah memebrs, they just didn't care if they bomb inocent people or not. Why only 1000 and not 10000 you ask? Because world is already speaks against them for bombing 1000 and if they destroyed entire country then Iran and Syria would've get involved instantly. So Hezbollah killed 30 and they are terrorists, Israel killed 1000 and they are not, yeah makes a lot of sense.

Hezbollah accidentally killed people? Those rockets accidentally went off and they accidentally just happened to be targeted at civilian areas not military sites? OoooKayyyy...

Why do you feel it necessary to apologize and make excuses for Islamic fundamentalist jihadist? These are the same people that fly airplanes into buildings, bomb trains, gas underground transit systems and send their own children to commit suicide by brainwashing them that in doing so, they'll be rewarded in heaven with virgins; yet the leaders who do the brainwashing do not lead by example, go figure.

And, stop playing the numbers card, the 30 (and it's more than 30) that Hezbollah killed where intended civilian targets, the 900+ killed by Israel are a mixture of Hezbollah militia (intended targets) and civilians (not intended targets) that Hezbollah put in harms way in a cowardly attempt to protect themselves with these human shields and in a cowardly way to gain sympathy from the world. Which as we can all clearly see, works.

Saying that what Hezbollah does is accidental as to free them from blame and calling all 900+ Lebanese deaths 'innocents' tells everything about your mindset.

Originally posted by Robtard
So America is wrong for choosing to use the bomb out of other options, but you cannot or will not state what other option would have been better for America. OK.

I seriously wonder if Japan & Germany would have been so kind to England, America and Russia, let alone the rest of the world if the tables had been turned.

Oh, ok, so now Israel is bombing Lebanon indiscriminately and with impunity as you claim but somehow they're still holding back because of PR. Gotcha.

'Spiro Agnew' buddy.

Thay are holding back because they can't just bomb entire country. Because if they did then not even US would be able to cover their asses.

hmm... i think war sucks... i like peace. im lucky i live in a peaceful country.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Thay are holding back because they can't just bomb entire country. Because if they did then not even US would be able to cover their asses.

Ah ok, they're crazy blood thristy Jews, but with a conscience. Got it. 🙄

Originally posted by Robtard
Hezbollah accidentally killed people? Those rockets accidentally went off and they accidentally just happened to be targeted at civilian areas not military sites?

Dude, why you feel it necessary to apologize and make excuses for Islamic fundamentalist jihadist? These are the same people that fly airplanes into buildings, bomb trains, gas underground transit systems and send their own children to commit suicide by brainwashing them that in doing so, they'll be rewarded in heaven with virgins.

And, stop playing the numbers card, the 30 (and it's more than 30) that Hezbollah killed where intended civilian targets, the 900+ killed by Israel are a mixture of Hezbollah militia (intended targets) and civilians (not intended targets) that Hezbollah put in harms way in a cowardly attempt to protect themselves with these human shields and in a cowardly way to gain sympathy from the world. Which as we can all clearly see, works.

Saying that what Hezbollah does is accidental as to free them from blame and calling all 900+ Lebanese deaths 'innocents' tells everything about your mindset.

Unlike Israel Lebanon can not aim good, and when Israel teakes two houses with civilians down or kindergardens and say "Hezbollah was hiding there" THAT is NOT accidently. Don't say bullcrap about reward in heaven because nowhere in Our'an it's said "kill children and be rewarded". And don't mix trade center with Lebanon because those people were fanatics and there are thousands fanatics around the world of any religion but it doesn't makes Islam or christianity itself violant.
Yeah right, Israel is forcesd to protect itself from bad Iran and Lebanon.
You talk about Islamic terrorism but for some reason ignore what jews did. Since 1948 they were killing and slaughtering entire villages in Palestine, raping women, killing children and ALL were civilians because there was no army to fight them. You are naive if you believe that majority of 1000 people were from Hezbollah, they were just people who lived their everyday life, easy for you smartass to speak while you are seating in front of your computer but non of the kids, neither my cousin deserved to die. And you are just another victim of media, Israel is the real terrorist.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah ok, they're crazy blood thristy Jews, but with a conscience. Got it. 🙄

Yes, they are crazy and blood thirsty.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Unlike Israel Lebanon can not aim good, and when Israel teakes two houses with civilians down or kindergardens and say "Hezbollah was hiding there" THAT is NOT accidently. Don't say bullcrap about reward in heaven because nowhere in Our'an it's said "kill children and be rewarded". And don't mix trade center with Lebanon because those people were fanatics and there are thousands fanatics around the world of any religion but it doesn't makes Islam or christianity itself violant.
Yeah right, Israel is forcesd to protect itself from bad Iran and Lebanon.
You talk about Islamic terrorism but for some reason ignore what jews did. Since 1948 they were killing and slaughtering entire villages in Palestine, raping women, killing children and ALL were civilians because there was no army to fight them. You are naive if you believe that majority of 1000 people were from Hezbollah, they were just people who lived their everyday life, easy for you smartass to speak while you are seating in front of your computer but non of the kids, neither my cousin deserved to die. And you are just another victim of media, Israel is the real terrorist.

Your sympathy for these people that would kill you for believing differently than they (Hezbollah) is a sign of innocence.... but it is misplaced... so go place it somewhere else.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Unlike Israel Lebanon can not aim good, and when Israel teakes two houses with civilians down or kindergardens and say "Hezbollah was hiding there" THAT is NOT accidently. Don't say bullcrap about reward in heaven because nowhere in Our'an it's said "kill children and be rewarded". And don't mix trade center with Lebanon because those people were fanatics and there are thousands fanatics around the world of any religion but it doesn't makes Islam or christianity itself violant.
Yeah right, Israel is forcesd to protect itself from bad Iran and Lebanon.
You talk about Islamic terrorism but for some reason ignore what jews did. Since 1948 they were killing and slaughtering entire villages in Palestine, raping women, killing children and ALL were civilians because there was no army to fight them. You are naive if you believe that majority of 1000 people were from Hezbollah, they were just people who lived their everyday life, easy for you smart-ass to speak while you are seating in front of your computer but non of the kids, neither my cousin deserved to die. And you are just another victim of media, Israel is the real terrorist.

Ah, so it's not their fault because they have bad aim, I see, that makes prefect sense if you're insane, do you not realize that civilian targets are what Hezbollah goes for? Did I ever mention the Qur'an as being at fault? I did not; I mentioned Islamic fundamentalist jihadist who use religion as a weapon, this includes Hezbollah since they use suicide bombers among other cowardly methods.

Yes, those blood thirsty Jews kill and rape all day long. I love how you call me a naive smart-ass and you make blanket outrageous claims like Hezbollah being innocent and not being known terrorist who use terrorist tactics. But at least your being truthful now about your feelings, you hate Israel and you hate Jews, so any route that vilifies them is the route you will take. Lot's of people are anti-Semitic, you being one is irrelevant, but do you really have to make excuses and apologies for known terrorist?

Oh, the media for the majority is anti-Israel in case you didn't know.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, so it's not their fault because they have bad aim, I see, that makes prefect sense if you're insane, do you not realize that civilian targets are what Hezbollah goes for? Did I ever mention the Qur'an as being at fault? I did not; I mentioned Islamic fundamentalist jihadist who use religion as a weapon, this includes Hezbollah since they use suicide bombers among other cowardly methods.

Yes, those blood thirsty Jews kill and rape all day long. I love how you call me a naive smart-ass and you make blanket outrageous claims like Hezbollah being innocent and not being known terrorist who use terrorist tactics. But at least your being truthful now about your feelings, you hate Israel and you hate Jews, so any route that vilifies them is the route you will take. Lot's of people are anti-Semitic, you being one is irrelevant, but do you really have to make excuses and apologies for known terrorist?

Oh, the media for the majority is anti-Israel in case you didn't know.

Hezbollah asks Israel to stop and you say their aim is to kill civilians. Well i got news for you, more than 900 of people that died in Lebanon are civilians, others are from Lebanon army and great minority from Hezbolla. You ARE naive if you don't see that Israel bombs civilians on purpose and then make excuses that it was Hezbollah, I never said Hezbollah is inocent but what's the differance between Hezbollah and Israel? The only difference is that Israel killed much more inocent people. My claims are not outrageous, they are just truth. That's what Jews did since 1948, like it or nor and I don't just hate jews. I actually have friends among them but I do hate Israel jews for what they did.
How is media anti-israel if it made stereotypes that Islam and terrorism are the same things. You did not mentioned Qur'an but you did mentioned religion and it seems that you talk of it as of source of terrorism, and Jihad is actually a holly war and is about spreading religion. I don't need to apologize for what Hezbollah do because I do not aprove deathes of inocents, but try to accept that Israel bombs inocents on purpose like those kids or two houses recently, they always were doing that, they were killing inocent people before and doing it now and the only reason why they don't use "cowardly" methods is because they a)can bomb from distance and b) when they do not bomb they fight civilians that can't fight back (throwing rocks does not count) and these are cowardly methods. Hezbollah is not inocent but Israel is many times wose and they ARE real terrorists.

Hezbollah asks Israel to stop
Right, they stop, so they can get attacked again? Nice, I see your logic there.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Your sympathy for these people that would kill you for believing differently than they (Hezbollah) is a sign of innocence.... but it is misplaced... so go place it somewhere else.

I don't have sympathy for Hezbollah but they are inocent comparing to Israel. By the way about believing differently. They chose Hamas in palestine and that were democratic elections, just like US wanted, and now look what happening after they chose someone Israel and US do not want.