Israel and Lebanon

The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias (including Hezbollah) to disband.

How to you attempt to comply when the very group that was said to disband forms a part of the govt?

Israel is in defiance of 69 separate UNSC resolutions, having been protected from another 41 by U.S. veto, which they probably would have defied anyway if they had passed.

Today who cares how many they defy or follow, you know why? Follow through with the initial 1559 wasn't enough. Israel was still a target by the Hezbollah and they (being Hezbollah) is backed by Syria and Iran. So not much has changed, except Israel stepped up their defense of their country.

Hell Israel even said what it would take to stop. Disarm the Hezbollah and give back Israel's soldiers. Thats it, disarm a known terrorist and militia group in Lebanon that is a threat to Israel and it's own Lebanese govt. Until then, Israel has the right to prevent future attacks from this terrorist group.

They do not have the right to bomb the country back to the Stone age. THats not preventing any attacks.

I wouldn't be surprised if, nex election, an anti-Isreal president from Hezbollah is elected.

The last time Isreal invaded, Hezbollah formed. The ramifications this time are going to be much more serious imo.

Originally posted by Alliance
They do not have the right to bomb the country back to the Stone age.

Not the stone age, just two decades. Anyway the reason they hit bridges, airport and blocked the port was to prevent the Hezbollah from getting supplies from their buddies Syria and Iran.

Anyway give back the soldiers and have the Hezbollah disarm. There we go, two birds with one stone. Seems pretty fair to me, how about you?

Two decades in all likelyhood was the Stone Age for lebanon.

Hello. Its like saying that your highways were bombed to stop Wal-Mart from shipping. Its absolutely an insane position.

Its totally not practical, especially after what Isreal did. Its not Isrea'ls position to enforce UN policies, especially when they have a get out of jail free card from the US.

Originally posted by Alliance
Two decades in all likelyhood was the Stone Age for lebanon.

Hello. Its like saying that your highways were bombed to stop Wal-Mart from shipping. Its absolutely an insane position.

Its totally not practical, especially after what Isreal did. Its not Isrea'ls position to enforce UN policies, especially when they have a get out of jail free card from the US.

Once again you never answered my question, you kept commenting on the collateral damage. Here let me post it again for you.

Anyway give back the soldiers and have the Hezbollah disarm. There we go, two birds with one stone. Seems pretty fair to me, how about you?

No. The collateral damage is a huge issue. There is no way Hazbollah is going to release them...especialyl not after Isreal escelated the war to this level. There is no way Hezbollah is goign to disarm, they are to powerful militarily for the Lebanese govenment, which is only about a year old, to handle. They also have a very high political standing with the people...as they do much community service and are currently protecting them from Isreali belligerancy.

The Lebanese government is not going to start a civil war.

Originally posted by Alliance
No. The collateral damage is a huge issue.

Yes it is and I'd be willing to bet Israel would assist in rebuilding if those demands were met.

There is no way Hazbollah is going to release them...especialyl not after Isreal escelated the war to this level. There is no way Hezbollah is goign to disarm,

Hey if the Hezbollah truly believed in the Lebanese people they might consider this option. However they are just a pawn for Syria and Iran. Hezbollah's supply line is severed and they cannot win a war with Israel, drop their arms and save the country I mean they are a part of the Gov't. Don't they want to save Lebanon?

they are to powerful militarily for the Lebanese govenment, which is only about a year old, to handle. They also have a very high political standing with the people...as they do much community service and are currently protecting them from Isreali belligerancy.

I never said the Lebanese Govt had to disarm them, I said the Hezballoh disarm, hell they can drop their weapons themselves, no force required. They can still be there and be a GREAT resource for the community, disarmed.

The Lebanese government is not going to start a civil war.

No they prefer a war with Israel I guess.

Originally posted by Soleran
The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias (including Hezbollah) to disband.

Originally posted by Soleran
How to you attempt to comply when the very group that was said to disband forms a part of the govt?

Originally posted by Soleran
Today who cares how many they defy or follow, you know why?

Originally posted by Soleran
Follow through with the initial 1559 wasn't enough. Israel was still a target by the Hezbollah and they (being Hezbollah) is backed by Syria and Iran. So not much has changed, except Israel stepped up their defense of their country.

Hell Israel even said what it would take to stop. Disarm the Hezbollah and give back Israel's soldiers. Thats it, disarm a known terrorist and militia group in Lebanon that is a threat to Israel and it's own Lebanese govt. Until then, Israel has the right to prevent future attacks from this terrorist group.

Originally posted by Soleran
No they prefer a war with Israel I guess.

lol

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes it is and I'd be willing to bet Israel would assist in rebuilding if those demands were met.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lebanese government's power to do so?

So did that make the problem go away?

You'd lose a lot of money.

Guess we'll see then, huh.

Originally posted by Soleran
So did that make the problem go away?

Originally posted by Soleran
Guess we'll see then, huh.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]Does bombing Beirut International Airport?

Cutting supply lines sucks, there is no DMZ so they need to maximize the time it takes to resupply and retreat and if ever reinforcements come they have time to meet the enemy away from Israel itself.

So did that make the problem go away?

Tough question to give a straight answer to huh? So once again let me ask, because the Lebanese Govt didn't disarm Hezbollah, Israel (another nation 😉 ) is supposed to suffer the Lebanese Govt's inadequacies and ineptitude's at the cost of Israel's citizens lives? Without taking action?

Your belief in some strange uber-altruistic Israeli nature is dumbfounding.

I guess it is UBER, whatever that means.

Originally posted by Soleran
Cutting supply lines sucks, there is no DMZ so they need to maximize the time it takes to resupply and retreat and if ever reinforcements come they have time to meet the enemy away from Israel itself.

Originally posted by Soleran
Tough question to give a straight answer to huh? So once again let me ask, because the Lebanese Govt couldn't disarm Hezbollah, Israel (another nation 😉 ) is supposed to suffer the Lebanese Govt's inadequacies and ineptitude's at the cost of Israel's citizens lives? Without taking action?

Israel for all its military might is still unable to quell Hamas.

You're really just straw manning. To say that Israel is not justified in bombing civilian targets in a neighbouring sovereign nation is not to say that the Lebanese government's inaction is acceptable. And no one here is saying Hezbollah's violence is at all justified. Both sides are culpable but neither terrorist activities nor collectivist punishment of citizens in violation of international law is justified.

Originally posted by Soleran
I guess it is UBER, whatever that means.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]Yes because Beirut International Airport is used purely by Hezbollah... and not 6 million other passengers a year.

That makes no difference to Israel, if it has a possible military application that can assist the Hezbollah, it only makes military sense to take it out of commission.

Are the Israel forces targeting civilian targets aside from those with possible significant military use, no. Does Hezbollah target civillian targets without regard, yes.

Israel was a target they turned that around quickly, to bad Hezbollah hide behind civillians, huh.

How many times does it take to get across that it's not within the Lebanese government's power to do so?

So then who's going to take responsibility if not the Lebanese Govt.? If not through military force then through diplomatic measures or to have the Hezbollah cease fire until something changes, it didn't happen. So once again I ask who is supposed to take action and stop this?

Tough question to give a straight answer to huh? So once again let me ask, because the Lebanese Govt couldn't disarm Hezbollah, Israel (another nation wink ) is supposed to suffer the Lebanese Govt's inadequacies and ineptitude's at the cost of Israel's citizens lives? Without taking action?

So you got your answer, how about a response.

😆 Check this out. I've never seen a headline like this on CNN.

Originally posted by Soleran
That makes no difference to Israel, if it has a possible military application that can assist the Hezbollah, it only makes military sense to take it out of commission.

Are the Israel forces targeting civilian targets aside from those with possible significant military use, no. Does Hezbollah target civillian targets without regard, yes.

Israel was a target they turned that around quickly, to bad Hezbollah hide behind civillians, huh.

So then who's going to take responsibility if not the Lebanese Govt.? If not through military force then through diplomatic measures or to have the Hezbollah cease fire until something changes, it didn't happen. So once again I ask who is supposed to take action and stop this?

So you got your answer, how about a response.

Anything can be spun into "possible military use" and the IDF seems to change its motives depending on the time of day and the weather.

The Lebanese government is responsible for disarmament of Hezbollah. But it isn't going to be capable of doing so without Western support. Destroying Lebanese infrastructure only serves to exacerbate the problem, further undermine the government and garner more support for the Hezbollah.

Really? I received an answer to your hypocrisy with regard to UNSC Resolutions? An issue you yourself brought into this thread?

I already answered your highly leading question. I just didn't give you the oversimplified yes no answer you wanted.

Israel is not justified in its current actions. To say that Israel is not justified in bombing civilian targets in a neighbouring sovereign nation is not to say that the Lebanese government's inaction is acceptable. And no one here is saying Hezbollah's violence is at all justified. Both sides are culpable but neither terrorist activities nor collectivist punishment of citizens in violation of international law is justified.

It was on the news yesterday and today:

- All the G8 nations have agreed that while Israel should show restraint, the blame for the current conflict rests with Hezbollah.
- Other than Iran and Syria, the Arab world condemns Hezbollah for what's going on.

No doubt, our wiser KMC pundits who feel Israel is the Bad Guy disagree.

Originally posted by Mindship
It was on the news yesterday and today:

- All the G8 nations have agreed that while Israel should show restraint, the blame for the current conflict rests with Hezbollah.
- Other than Iran and Syria, the Arab world condemns Hezbollah for what's going on.

No doubt, our wiser KMC pundits who feel Israel is the Bad Guy disagree.

Of course, it's bullshit.

The current conflict is solely the fault of Israel. That the reasons Israel falsely used to start this conflict were caused by the Hezbollah does not in anyway take away the blame that rests on Israel. That's like saying not the US is to blame for the War in Iraq, hilarious, haha, see me laughing?

Originally posted by Mindship
It was on the news yesterday and today:

- All the G8 nations have agreed that while Israel should show restraint, the blame for the current conflict rests with Hezbollah.
- Other than Iran and Syria, the Arab world condemns Hezbollah for what's going on.

No doubt, our wiser KMC pundits who feel Israel is the Bad Guy disagree.