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Originally posted by PVS
besides, john deere is the industry leader in quality and reliability. shame on you for suggesting otherwise
When you mention John Deere being an industry leader, I assume you mean in the homosexual industry. The White Party, a huge party held in honour of homosexual diversity and openess every year, has taken place on the estate of the founder of the company many times.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Nope I don't support gay marriage.Quite frankly, as hard and as often as they try, Gays have yet to provide definitive proof that their sexual orientation is a natural occurence.
That's a bit of a non-argument. Natural or not, it's effect on the rest of the population is at the heart of the matter. Not your bias.
Originally posted by Redwolf
They have provided studies with partial evidence mixed with a lot of speculation, but no conclusive proof. Many people say well if they love someone why can't they get married? It's a slippery slope if you hold that view. There are people out there that "love" animals and are into beastiality. What if NAMBLA members want to marry an underaged child because they "love" them?
The slippery slope argument is a sloppy one. It's irresponsible in its accusation. Was it a slippery slope to allow black people to vote, or women? Has it lead to social decay? I'm sure from your perspective the answer is yes. Was it a slippery slope when the law provided for the illeagal nature of inbreeding or cousins to marry? How about interracial marriage? Perhaps in your opinion is was. However the laws of this country are in place for a reason...to provide reasonable freedoms and protect its citizens. If a 50 year old man wants to marry a 14 year old boy, then we can all reasonably say that it is out of line. However, what about the golden days of segregation and gender descrimination? The good old days when a 50 year old man was allowed to marry a 14 year old girl? She had no say, and the 14 year old boy in the converse situation is no different than the 14 year old girl, no matter how much he might agree. It isn't his descision...like the 14 year old girl...he has parents that would have to allow it. Whay can a man have kiddie porn on his computer and get sentenced to decades in prision but the female school teacher that has sex with a 14 year old student is hard pressed to get any significant prision time at all? If there was a North American Woman Boy Love Association, you would have been lobbying for them to be written into the laws of the country? The matter here is one of descrimination, and not just your brand of ignorant one mindedness...but one of writing your bigotry into the constitutional law of the United States of America.
Originally posted by Redwolf
They can already do anything a married couple can do by power of attorney. EVERYTHING. We don't care what they do in their private lives, but attaching a legal binding marriage to it would do a few things that to me would be negative.1. They could legally adopt children. A child is best raised by a man and a woman. It teaches them how to deal with the opposite sexes. No matter how good you think you are at it, a man and a man cannot teach a child to be a well rounded individual. They will suffer because of it, much the same as single parent homes that are filling our jails. Don't we have enough problems without creating more?
The scientific evidence is stacked against you. If you think your father taught you how to interact with the opposite sex, you would be mistaken. He taught you how to interact with a partner. Enlighten us to the point in time your father took you on his knee and said "Johnny, as a male, you are attracted to the female of our species. Also, you should consider them beneathe you and the gender to be treated as too weak to make descisions, own land, vote, get divorced, etc." Conversely, point out to me the moment in time my father took me on his knee and said "With you David, we've decided to try a little something different. With you, we're going to teach you to be gay...to be emotionally and physically attracted to the same sex. You know, just for shits and giggles" Didn't happen. Also, in most American states, gay adoption is illegal.
Originally posted by Redwolf
2. It would open the door for other adults to choose what their definition of marriage is. Is it right for a man to marry 4 women? How about a man to marry his sister? His niece? 1st cousin? CHILDREN? Blurring the lines of "normal behavior" is what these folks are after for the most part in my view.
Allow them to define their marriage how? Because it isn't writtten in the law?
Originally posted by Redwolf
I don't care what an individual does in their own bedroom but KEEP IT OUT OF MY FACE. You don't have the right to demand recognition for your CHOICE in life. You CHOOSE to live a deviant lifestyle, so stop demanding we all see it as "normal". It's NOT. I'm sick to death of every moron with a cause demanding that we recognize a choice and accept it. Anything short makes you a "homophobe", "racist", etc. You know what? If I see a gay couple holding hands it makes me sick. I leave them alone because it's their choice, but I will not accept their choice as "normal". Do what you want but don't keep insisting that it's your right for us to recognize it as normal.
Then keep your straight relationship in the bedroom. When I see a straight couple holding hands, I resent them. And that's really what your kind of person enjoys. You enjoy the envy that so many gay people feel about your ability to walk around in public without the fear of having the back of your head bashed in. I don't give a shit if you recognize me as normal. Your validation is irrelevent to me. However, know the consequences of your actions and we'll both be able to walk past each other on the street without confrontation. You seem to think that gay people should know and keep their place in YOUR world. How arrogant. I can assure you there is some aspect of your existence that at some point in this country was considered illgal or abnormal. You just don't have the balls to mention it in public...much less the knowledge of history to know it was "wrong" at some point.