Re: Re: Gay marriages-yes or no?
Originally posted by Redneck Boy
sh88t booy..if you weren't gay then you would ant start a dam topic out by sayin you ain't..my position on the topic is if the law says it ain't legal 4 a man to marry his 16 year ol sister..than the law sure as hell shoudn't allow a man 2 marry his 16 year ol brother..equal marriage rites need to be given 2 all peeple. not juz the normal gayz, lezboz, and heteros.
STOP! Grammer time!
Originally posted by Redwolf
So according to you the people at NARTH who have PHD's or are M.D's don't count because "the source for all their funds and motivaton for study: to prove what they want to be true." Sorry but that's a lame rebuttal. Comparing NARTH to white supremacist sites is also a lame argument. You're comparing apples and oranges here. Sites like white supremacist sites are hate filled sites with no evidence.
typical. someone states a analogy and your only way to retort is by pretending it was a direct connection. how weak and lame :/ "ZOMG DOCTORZ WHITE SUPREMIZZEZ!!11111111111" nice 👆
and i hope some doctor tells you that its healthy and preserving of longevity to cram your head up your own colon, because at least then you'll feel justified. after all, a doctor's opinion is fact. right?
but what of the many doctors who disagree? fact contradicting fact? PARADOX fear
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
\How is denying someone who does no harm to another human being discrimination? Hummm? I think the objective word there is "deny". And no advocate of gay marriage wants to alter the constitution to permanately deny a right to a specific group of people who don't harm anyone else with their behavior. In the United States, it is up to the specific state to say who can get married. It's your side of the argument that keeps introducing CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS to alter the US constitution. Gay people and their supporters are fine with leaving it in the hands of the states.
Marriage has a definition. That definition denies NOBODY...gay people marry all the time...they simply cannot marry their paraphilia. The definition of marriage does preclude *everyone* from marrying someone of the same sex. In the US, it was up to specific states to say who could marry. Activist jurists have subverted the constitution, without recourse to the people, without legislative action, and without the approval of an executive. The Constitution IS BEING ALTERED by judicial legislation from the bench *creating* "gay marriage". Gay people and their supporters evidenced their rejection of all but their own agenda at any costs...locally, state- and nation-wide.
Federal judge in Nebraska decided to rule upon the Nebraska constitutional amendment defining marriage.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
\It is actually. You want to talk science, and I have directed you to the almost 200 pages of the homosexuality: chosen v genetic. There are literally dozens of pages of posts by myself and other people who have searched the net and our own experiences to provide evidence that it isn't a choice.
Then at least give me a direct link to the particular page. Again I don't have time to weed through 229 messsage board pages to find a particular argument. On the other hand my link to NARTHs arguments are easy to find in no time.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Look through the chosen/genetic thread. Much evidence has been posted regarding this issue. And the banner terminology that so many people like you use is the gay "gene". As in a single gene that can make you gay. There's no single gene that causes anything. It is the interaction of all your genes that provide genetic causes for personality, proclivity, behavior and appearance.How? Others have posted those claims, some of which were masterfully accompanied by video of the techniques. Those techniques include sitting on a couch hugging another man, and beating a pillow with a tennis racket.
Show us what your site has to say. Post it. Let me guess. Sexually abused by their father or some other male member of their family when they were young? What are these "many" factors?
Exactly, just one site. If it took only the one-sided opinion of a single internet site to provide an absolute perspective on all issues, this country wouldn't need a senate or the right to vote.
No not just one site
Here are some links:
http://www.rsvpamerica.org/crafting%...001.htm#_edn25
Homosexuality is a paraphilia. BECAUSE it was removed, psychologists understand that no other paraphilia can remain now that homosexuality has been removed. Beastiality, pedophilia, necrophilia...these are all paraphilias...sexual attractions...and they are every bit a mental problem as homosexuality.
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/moser_kleinpl.htm
Often homosexual advocates claim that pedophilia and homosexuality are not linked. Here is a homosexual leader demonstrating that they are:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1584817/posts
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/...t/900fist1.htm
This article discusses the fact...FACT...that homosexuality is generally a transient feeling for most children
http://www.cmf.org.uk/literature/con...rticle&id=1274
Brainwashing techniques common to homosexual arguments. Don't take my word for this. Review the material and compare it to the arguments you're faced with:
http://www.factnet.org/rancho4.htm
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/7...opolitics.html
Consequences of Gay Marriage. Note: The family unit in Scandinavia has been degenerating before gay marriage. However, whether homosexual acceptance is the *cause* or a symptom faces a catch-22 situation. Homosexual acceptance represents moral decline...either it *causes* the degeneration of the family unit or it is a *symptom* that is found alongside it. In either case it must be opposed.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/660zypwj.asp
Homosexuals were their own worst enemies at the beginning of the homosexual agenda's creation. This book was written to set a path they could all follow by the leadership of various homosexual organizations by a pair of experts uniquely qualified to push nationwide indoctrination. Review the techniques discussed with the techniques you face.
http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_str...r_the_ball.htm
Sometimes you will be faced with the claim that homosexuality is genetic. We *can* find a gene that iinfluences alcoholism. We *cannot* find any such gene for homosexuality.
http://www.fathersforlife.org/gay_gene.htm
Homosexual studies from the APA are compromised:
http://catholicinsight.com/online/po...icle_667.shtml
And were from the beginning:
http://members.aol.com/poesgirl/hooker.htm
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072502.html
http://www.narth.com/docs/consequences.html#_edn2
Some of the related common symptoms of homosexuality can be found in other disorders such as brain injury:
http://www.headway.org.uk/default.asp?step=4&pid=63
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2651.htm
http://www.rohcg.on.ca/roh-internet/...05&item_id=373
http://kcterc.ksde.org/Pubimages/Inc...2Traumatic.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/homopolo.htm
Religion has been infiltrated by homosexual advocates:
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It's not a comparison of race and orientation. It's a comparisson of rights. Blacks were "granted" rights...as too now are gay people.I couldn't care less if I offend you. You offend me just as much. Or, are you not used to being offended by gay people? You have admitted as much. You've said that my presence in this country is an offense to you. You just aren't bright enough to know that your point of view is contrary to the bill of rights.
Logical Fallacy: Appeal to ridicule
Bill of Rights does not define marriage, nor does it grant government the power to re-define marriage. The judicial branch illegally re-defines marriage to include men and men or women and women.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Also, you're a conservative and that is how you base your opinion of child abuse or molestation? That's just ridiculous. Again, all you're doing is puking up party line soundbites.
I base my opinion on child abuse or molestation on the fact they are wrong and evil, not because of my political viewpoint.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Perhaps the most damning to your side is a site created by an organization that is made up of the children of gay couples. They state the following:-As of 1990, 6 million to 14 million children in the United States were living with a gay or lesbian parent. (National Adoption Information Clearinghouse, a service of the U.S. Administration for Children and Families.)
-There is absolutely no evidence that children are psychologically or physically harmed in any way by having LGBT parents. There is, however, much evidence that shows that they are not.
-People with LGBT parents have the same incidence of homosexuality as the general population, about 10%. No research has ever shown that LGBT parents have any affect on the sexuality of their children. (Patterson, Charlotte J. 1992)
-Research claims that children with LGBT parents are exposed to more people of the opposite sex than many kids of straight parents. (Rofes, E.E., 1983, Herdt, 1989)
-Studies have shown that people with LGBT parents are more open-minded about a wide variety of things than people with straight parents. (Harris and Turner, 1985/86)
-Daughters of lesbians have higher self-esteem than daughters of straight women. Sons are more caring and less aggressive. (Hoeffer, 1981)
-On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents. (National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, 2004)
-Most "problems" that kids of LGBT parents face actually stem from the challenges of dealing with divorce and the homophobia and transphobia in society rather then the sexual orientation or gender identity of their parents.
Children who are raised with homosexual parents have as many problems as any child raised in a broken home. That includes 7 times the likelihood of becoming homosexual themselves. (It's among the links I sent you I believe) Noteably, ALL studies that claim this case pretend that men are no different than women...and then heavily skew their studies with lesbians.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Then keep your straight relationship in the bedroom. When I see a straight couple holding hands, I resent them. And that's really what your kind of person enjoys. You enjoy the envy that so many gay people feel about your ability to walk around in public without the fear of having the back of your head bashed in. I don't give a shit if you recognize me as normal. Your validation is irrelevent to me. However, know the consequences of your actions and we'll both be able to walk past each other on the street without confrontation. You seem to think that gay people should know and keep their place in YOUR world. How arrogant. I can assure you there is some aspect of your existence that at some point in this country was considered illgal or abnormal. You just don't have the balls to mention it in public...much less the knowledge of history to know it was "wrong" at some point.
what other psychic abilities do you have?
Gay people are no more likely to be bashed than anyone else. They might, actually, be more likely to bash other people, bash & molest, than the numbers of their demographic might suggest is normal.
If homosexuality is "right"...provide the evidence.
If Gay people are *more likely* to be bashed...provide the evidence.
Everyone except hermaphrodites are born straight. Genetically it is dictated by XX and XY chromosomes. Physically it is dictated by genetalia. Even the phsyiology of the brain is different for men and women. Heterosexuality is *hard-coded* in your brain. The variables of human choices, addictions, and mal-adjustments *alone* can explain homosexuality...this is also true of animals. Yes...animals can be mal-adjusted.
I'm sure you'll put up the argument that there is homosexuality in animals..
Most cases of homosexuality in animal species revolve strictly around male domination of other males. It is extremely rare that a male will reject a female in heat in any species.
Mal-adjustment is a better explanation than anything else. Your opponent might raise the issue of the bonobo apes. They have taken domination over one another to the extreme that they have *replaced* aggression with sexual behavior. It is an animalistic behavior.
Alternately, many gay people seem to accept that their behavior *is* animalistic.
Originally posted by PVS
your only source of "evidence" is a site which is dedicated to proving that homosexuality is chosen. thats the source for all their funds and motivation for study: to prove what they want to be true. its a crap source.example: you can browse and find white supremacist sites which try to prove that anyone who is not white is a subhuman animal. is that proof? why do i have to explain this to you? are you whob?
Logical Fallacy: Ad hominem attack & Poisoning the well. Another false argument. Nobody is claiming that homosexuals are subhuman animals. We do encourage them to seek help, but we must *insist* that their problem not be passed on to children through governmental fiat through "gay marriage", through local indoctrination in public schools, through propaganda in the media, or through the sexual assault or seduction of our children.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Logical Fallacy: Ad hominem attack & Poisoning the well. Another false argument. Nobody is claiming that homosexuals are subhuman animals. We do encourage them to seek help, but we must *insist* that their problem not be passed on to children through governmental fiat through "gay marriage", through local indoctrination in public schools, through propaganda in the media, or through the sexual assault or seduction of our children.
if you're going to spew logical fallacies...learn what the hell they mean, and while you're at it, try to learn how to read full sentences to catch their meaning. you are deliberately dodging the point to win the thread. how sad ❌
Originally posted by Redwolf
Marriage has a definition. That definition denies NOBODY
You babble a lot. I'm sure you think the more you talk the more people will think you're saying something of substance. However, you are right in your above statement. Marriage has a definition. And it is the conservative right that is trying to write into law state sponsored discrimination.
Your justification is an endless list of websites that agree with you and lots of words that you've pulled out of your ass. I don't know how old you are, nor do I really care. But the majority of people on this site agree with gay marriage. A majority of the US citizens who post on this site agree with gay marriage. And a majority of those members are young. In the future of the country, it's the teenagers on this site that will have a say in the long run. And they'll see past the rhetoric of people like you. Call me unnatural, tell me I'm talking out of my ass when science has pointed out time and again that homosexuality is normal. From Freud to Kinsey to Berube have studied the facts and found that there is no measurable difference in performance, social interaction or mental health.
And you can go on and on about logical fallacies, but the what is more illogical; thinking that people choose to be gay or that people are born that way? Even some one with his head as firmly planet in their own ass as is yours can figure that out. That is why this debate is going to end in gay marriage being legal. If you want to disagree with the list I posted earlier, then there are references provided...look it up. Who would choose to be gay when there are so many people like yourself in this world?
And if you want the information on homosexuality being tied to genetics, then you can read the chosen/genetic thread. You can't go more than four or five posts with out tripping over a post that mentions it. Again, it's arrogant of you to assume that your time is more valuable than mine.
Originally posted by Redwolf
I base my opinion on child abuse or molestation on the fact they are wrong and evil, not because of my political viewpoint.
Originally posted by Redwolf
As a conservative I was hoping that teacher or any other teacher (male or female) who molested a child would have gotten life in prison, no porale.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Logical Fallacy: Ad hominem attack & Poisoning the well. Another false argument. Nobody is claiming that homosexuals are subhuman animals. We do encourage them to seek help, but we must *insist* that their problem not be passed on to children through governmental fiat through "gay marriage", through local indoctrination in public schools, through propaganda in the media, or through the sexual assault or seduction of our children.
Homosexuals and Bisexuals have existed for thousands of years, even through media secrecy and social oppression and social invisibility.
What the hell makes you think that some of our children in the future won't turn out Gay if we prevent Gay Media and Gay Civil Rights?
Fact #1 Sexual Assault of children does NOT lead to homosexuality....sexual molestation leads to Dissassossiative Identity Disorder (a.k.a. multiple personality disorder), sometimes bipolar disorder, a lack of sexual libido, and mental disorders which lead the vitcim to live an unhappy, low-self esteemed life.
Fact #2 Homosexuality is NOT a mental disorder, and this fact has been established in the 1900's when Homosexuality was removed from the list of medical illnesses. It is not caused by any negative stimuli, and is not a negative thing to be. Homosexuals live just fine lives, the only reason they suffer is due to the oppression that bigots like you have put them through for years.
Fact #3- Heterosexuality IS NOT the sexuality anyone is born with. No one is born with a natural sex, no baby is born with sexual desire...only innate sexual instincts which evolve due to an infinite array of factors. Where the hell did you learn that we are all born heterosexual, the fkn school of Jerry Falwell?