Wow... how many pages in how many days?! 😱
I just knew someone was gonna get around to NAMBLA and beastiality. Gotta love them conservatives!
Yes, you guys are right. Someday NAMBLA will legalize marriage between young boys and old men. Since gay marriage is just around the corner, it'll be a snap! Since USA has no age of legal consent, NAMBLA will be hitching with little boys left and right!
And don't get me started on farking animals! Obviously, the legalization of gay and interractial marriage, along with women's sufferage has led our great nation to such moral decay, that having sex with animals and marrying them seems 100% okay! People will be lining up at the alter with their goats and dogs, arguing that they should hav ethe ight to marry thier pets becuase they love them. And since animals can return that love and have legal standing in the United States, it's inevitable!
Better head for the hills, guys.
Originally posted by PVS
are you suggesting that homosexuals are manufactured? so...whats your serial#? 😛
It does seem to be the perspective of some people. Redneck or redballs or chappedass or what ever his name is, seems to think that he learned how to be attracted to females from his two parent, male dominated upbringing. So, clearly, all you guys out there on these boards who were raised by a single mother are gay...because you had no significant male presence in your lives. You watched your mother being attracted to men and thusly you are as well. Because all sexual attraction is learned behavior.
Originally posted by PVS
your only source of "evidence" is a site which is dedicated to proving that homosexuality is chosen. thats the source for all their funds and motivation for study: to prove what they want to be true. its a crap source.example: you can browse and find white supremacist sites which try to prove that anyone who is not white is a subhuman animal. is that proof? why do i have to explain this to you? are you whob?
So according to you the people at NARTH who have PHD's or are M.D's don't count because "the source for all their funds and motivaton for study: to prove what they want to be true." Sorry but that's a lame rebuttal. Comparing NARTH to white supremacist sites is also a lame argument. You're comparing apples and oranges here. Sites like white supremacist sites are hate filled sites with no evidence.
I can use the same argument back at you. Go to any pro-gay website and you get groups that are dedicated to proving homosexuality is normal, natural, and okay. The source for all their funds and motivation for study: to prove what they want to be true. The only problem with Pro-homosexual websites is that there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay.
There is still no scientifically accepted evidence proving that homosexuals are "born gay". You can not deny this. It's one of many arguments NARTH puts forth. It seems the "evidence" is on NARTHs side. They also put forth the view that people can change from the homosexual lifestyle. Which is true, so again more evidence for NARTH's side.
Are your replies "proof"? All you do is reply with "Your wrong because" and then put forth an opinion. You haven't put forth any evidence that I'm wrong, you're just claiming I'm wrong because you disagree with me.
I on the other hand do have evidence for my view...i.e.
-No scientific evidence for homosexuality being genetic, no gay gene.
-Evidence that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle
-Evidence that many factors can lead someone down the path to homosexuality.
NARTH is just one site with well educated experts. They provide great evidence that homosexuality is not genetic. Again if you have sources for your view I'd be happy to read them. Otherwise I'm not going to continue debating with someone who won't listen.
Originally posted by Redwolf
I on the other hand do have evidence for my view...i.e.-No scientific evidence for homosexuality being genetic, no gay gene.
Look through the chosen/genetic thread. Much evidence has been posted regarding this issue. And the banner terminology that so many people like you use is the gay "gene". As in a single gene that can make you gay. There's no single gene that causes anything. It is the interaction of all your genes that provide genetic causes for personality, proclivity, behavior and appearance.
Originally posted by Redwolf
-Evidence that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle
How? Others have posted those claims, some of which were masterfully accompanied by video of the techniques. Those techniques include sitting on a couch hugging another man, and beating a pillow with a tennis racket.
Originally posted by Redwolf
-Evidence that many factors can lead someone down the path to homosexuality.
Show us what your site has to say. Post it. Let me guess. Sexually abused by their father or some other male member of their family when they were young? What are these "many" factors?
Originally posted by Redwolf
NARTH is just one site
Exactly, just one site. If it took only the one-sided opinion of a single internet site to provide an absolute perspective on all issues, this country wouldn't need a senate or the right to vote.
o wow 8 pages in less then 2 days!!!
well anyway i think that we should have guy marriages. someone said earlier that we shouldnt because men and women are the only ones who can have children but what happens when the woman or man cant. does that mean they shouldnt be able to get married. and when ppl said that they shouldnt because what is the difference between getting married and living with the person. well i think it is just the right. they want to feel like they are just like everyone else. which they are.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The slippery slope argument is a sloppy one. It's irresponsible in its accusation. Was it a slippery slope to allow black people to vote, or women? Has it lead to social decay? I'm sure from your perspective the answer is yes.
Comparing race to sexual orientation is like comparing apples to oranges. Typical argument from those who support the homosexual agenda.
You're wrong about my perspective, I'm not a racist and I take offense you would imply that. Allowing blacks and women to vote hasn't lead to social decay. I'm sick and tired of the left claiming those who disagree with homosexuality are bigots.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Whay can a man have kiddie porn on his computer and get sentenced to decades in prision but the female school teacher that has sex with a 14 year old student is hard pressed to get any significant prision time at all? If there was a North American Woman Boy Love Association, you would have been lobbying for them to be written into the laws of the country? The matter here is one of descrimination, and not just your brand of ignorant one mindedness...but one of writing your bigotry into the constitutional law of the United States of America.
Ask the Liberal judges. A liberal judge was the one who allowed that blonde 20 something teacher to get away scot free after having sex with her under age student. Again, I take offense that you are implying I would be okay with some North American Woman Boy love association, I would NOT. As a conservative I was hoping that teacher or any other teacher (male or female) who molested a child would have gotten life in prison, no porale.
How is denying homosexuals marriage discriminating against them? You see you are under the belief that homosexuality is natural, normal, so what's the big deal? It is the pro-homosexual crowd that wants to write their views into the constitutional law of the USA. It is the homosexual crowd that wants America to accept them. That they are born that way. Yet there is no evidence of a gay gene.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
The scientific evidence is stacked against you. If you think your father taught you how to interact with the opposite sex, you would be mistaken. He taught you how to interact with a partner. Enlighten us to the point in time your father took you on his knee and said "Johnny, as a male, you are attracted to the female of our species. Also, you should consider them beneathe you and the gender to be treated as too weak to make descisions, own land, vote, get divorced, etc." Conversely, point out to me the moment in time my father took me on his knee and said "With you David, we've decided to try a little something different. With you, we're going to teach you to be gay...to be emotionally and physically attracted to the same sex. You know, just for shits and giggles" Didn't happen. Also, in most American states, gay adoption is illegal.
Scientific evidence is NOT stack against me. Show me the evidence you say is stacked against me. Show me evidence that raising a child with two dad's or two moms is fine.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Then keep your straight relationship in the bedroom. When I see a straight couple holding hands, I resent them. And that's really what your kind of person enjoys. You enjoy the envy that so many gay people feel about your ability to walk around in public without the fear of having the back of your head bashed in. I don't give a shit if you recognize me as normal. Your validation is irrelevent to me. However, know the consequences of your actions and we'll both be able to walk past each other on the street without confrontation. You seem to think that gay people should know and keep their place in YOUR world. How arrogant. I can assure you there is some aspect of your existence that at some point in this country was considered illgal or abnormal. You just don't have the balls to mention it in public...much less the knowledge of history to know it was "wrong" at some point.
Oh please that's the biggest bunch of bologna I've read in a while. What aspect of my existence at some point in this country was considered illegal or abnormal?
Again, if you're gay fine, my problem with the whole thing is people like YOU claiming you are born that way without any evidence. All the while trying to change the laws and forcing this country to accept your behavior as just another sexual preference.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Look through the chosen/genetic thread. Much evidence has been posted regarding this issue. And the banner terminology that so many people like you use is the gay "gene". As in a single gene that can make you gay. There's no single gene that causes anything. It is the interaction of all your genes that provide genetic causes for personality, proclivity, behavior and appearance.How? Others have posted those claims, some of which were masterfully accompanied by video of the techniques. Those techniques include sitting on a couch hugging another man, and beating a pillow with a tennis racket.
Show us what your site has to say. Post it. Let me guess. Sexually abused by their father or some other male member of their family when they were young? What are these "many" factors?
Exactly, just one site. If it took only the one-sided opinion of a single internet site to provide an absolute perspective on all issues, this country wouldn't need a senate or the right to vote.
I don't have the time to go through 229 pages, can you at least provide a direct link?
I have never heard of those particular techniques
I posted the link to NARTH I'm not going to walk you through each little argument. Click on the link I provided and look them up, they are there.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Scientific evidence is NOT stack against me. Show me the evidence you say is stacked against me. Show me evidence that raising a child with two dad's or two moms is fine.Again, if you're gay fine, my problem with the whole thing is people like YOU claiming you are born that way without any evidence.
I know a few teenagers my age who have two mom's or two dads and they are perfectly normal, straight teenagers and have no problem with having gay parents.
You say there is no evidence to being born gay, straight or bi, well is there evidence that you are straight? Did you just wake up one day and DECIDE you are going to be straight?
Originally posted by Roland
I know a few teenagers my age who have two mom's or two dads and they are perfectly normal, straight teenagers and have no problem with having gay parents.You say there is no evidence to being born gay, straight or bi, well is there evidence that you are straight? Did you just wake up one day and DECIDE you are going to be straight? I am bi and I can tell you from experience I didn't just wake up and DECIDED to be bi.
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_homokids.html
Yes there is evidence humans are born heterosexual. We have a biological, physiological, AND genetic basis for heterosexuality.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Comparing race to sexual orientation is like comparing apples to oranges. Typical argument from those who support the homosexual agenda.
It's not a comparison of race and orientation. It's a comparisson of rights. Blacks were "granted" rights...as too now are gay people.
Originally posted by Redwolf
You're wrong about my perspective, I'm not a racist and I take offense you would imply that. Allowing blacks and women to vote hasn't lead to social decay. I'm sick and tired of the left claiming those who disagree with homosexuality are bigots.
I couldn't care less if I offend you. You offend me just as much. Or, are you not used to being offended by gay people? You have admitted as much. You've said that my presence in this country is an offense to you. You just aren't bright enough to know that your point of view is contrary to the bill of rights.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Ask the Liberal judges. A liberal judge was the one who allowed that blonde 20 something teacher to get away scot free after having sex with her under age student. Again, I take offense that you are implying I would be okay with some North American Woman Boy love association, I would NOT. As a conservative I was hoping that teacher or any other teacher (male or female) who molested a child would have gotten life in prison, no porale.
I could ask the liberal judges just as easily as you could ask the conservative judges. Actavist judges are always the lame excuse of people who fail to realize that they have their own activist judges on their side of any argument.
Also, you're a conservative and that is how you base your opinion of child abuse or molestation? That's just ridiculous. Again, all you're doing is puking up party line soundbites.
Originally posted by Redwolf
How is denying homosexuals marriage discriminating against them? You see you are under the belief that homosexuality is natural, normal, so what's the big deal? It is the pro-homosexual crowd that wants to write their views into the constitutional law of the USA. It is the homosexual crowd that wants America to accept them. That they are born that way. Yet there is no evidence of a gay gene.
How is denying someone who does no harm to another human being discrimination? Hummm? I think the objective word there is "deny". And no advocate of gay marriage wants to alter the constitution to permanately deny a right to a specific group of people who don't harm anyone else with their behavior. In the United States, it is up to the specific state to say who can get married. It's your side of the argument that keeps introducing CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS to alter the US constitution. Gay people and their supporters are fine with leaving it in the hands of the states.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Scientific evidence is NOT stack against me. Show me the evidence you say is stacked against me. Show me evidence that raising a child with two dad's or two moms is fine.
It is actually. You want to talk science, and I have directed you to the almost 200 pages of the homosexuality: chosen v genetic. There are literally dozens of pages of posts by myself and other people who have searched the net and our own experiences to provide evidence that it isn't a choice.
Unfortunately, as I've pointed out many times on this site, it's a task to find a non-religious based site that discusses topics like evolution, science or homosexuality...because they run their mouths the most. However, there are numerous sites that agree. Perhaps the most damning to your side is a site created by an organization that is made up of the children of gay couples. They state the following:
-As of 1990, 6 million to 14 million children in the United States were living with a gay or lesbian parent. (National Adoption Information Clearinghouse, a service of the U.S. Administration for Children and Families.)
-There is absolutely no evidence that children are psychologically or physically harmed in any way by having LGBT parents. There is, however, much evidence that shows that they are not.
-People with LGBT parents have the same incidence of homosexuality as the general population, about 10%. No research has ever shown that LGBT parents have any affect on the sexuality of their children. (Patterson, Charlotte J. 1992)
-Research claims that children with LGBT parents are exposed to more people of the opposite sex than many kids of straight parents. (Rofes, E.E., 1983, Herdt, 1989)
-Studies have shown that people with LGBT parents are more open-minded about a wide variety of things than people with straight parents. (Harris and Turner, 1985/86)
-Daughters of lesbians have higher self-esteem than daughters of straight women. Sons are more caring and less aggressive. (Hoeffer, 1981)
-On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents. (National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, 2004)
-Most "problems" that kids of LGBT parents face actually stem from the challenges of dealing with divorce and the homophobia and transphobia in society rather then the sexual orientation or gender identity of their parents.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Oh please that's the biggest bunch of bologna I've read in a while. What aspect of my existence at some point in this country was considered illegal or abnormal?
Bologna? There are any number of ridiculous laws on the books for these United States. In NC if you go to a hotel with a woman and you aren't married but register as so, you are married. Oral sex is considered a crime against nature. Ever taken a piss outside? It's illegal in many states. Ever gone to a cenetary at night? It's against the law in NC. Ever tossed out a used razor blade? It's against teh law in Connecticut. In Guilford Connecticut, it's against the law to display any colour Christmas light other than white. Ever egged a house? It's against the law.
But, how about things everyone does?
Ever found someone of another race attractive?
Formerly a law against it.
Ever used a condom?
Used to be a law against it
Ever considered a woman your property?
There used to be a law saying that women are the property of their husbands.
So, what is really bologna to you, is that two men would want to hold hands. I addressed your opinion of that in my last post.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Again, if you're gay fine, my problem with the whole thing is people like YOU claiming you are born that way without any evidence. All the while trying to change the laws and forcing this country to accept your behavior as just another sexual preference.
And I assure you, I consider YOU to be the problem with equal aplomb.
Originally posted by Redwolf
I don't have the time to go through 229 pages, can you at least provide a direct link?I have never heard of those particular techniques
I posted the link to NARTH I'm not going to walk you through each little argument. Click on the link I provided and look them up, they are there.
You have never heard of those techniques, because you don't take the time to actually read the techniques that these "rehabilitation groups" employ. You just see 'gay changes ways' and consider it fact. Those groups not only use such ridiculous means as I've stated, but there are other groups that guilt and shame their members into pretending they are "suddenly straight". I suppose that's fine for you. You're so proud, after all.
You don't have time to read 229 pages? Well, that's a problem I can relate to, isn't it?
You can't walk me through every little argument.
Re: Gay marriages-yes or no?
Originally posted by OhILuvHP
Before i start this........i want to make this clear to everyone who reads this. I AM NOT GAY! i just want to hear your opinion on this matterok.........so we all know about the whole Gay Marriage rights thingy going on..........right? so do you think they should be allowed, or not?
sh88t booy..if you weren't gay then you would ant start a dam topic out by sayin you ain't..
my position on the topic is if the law says it ain't legal 4 a man to marry his 16 year ol sister..than the law sure as hell shoudn't allow a man 2 marry his 16 year ol brother..equal marriage rites need to be given 2 all peeple. not juz the normal gayz, lezboz, and heteros.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
When you mention John Deere being an industry leader, I assume you mean in the homosexual industry. The White Party, a huge party held in honour of homosexual diversity and openess every year, has taken place on the estate of the founder of the company many times.