Exar Kun vs. Yoda

Started by Arcana30 pages

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Where are the credible sources such as Sama, Nai, and Escape?

You realize that Sama, Nai, and Escape aren't sources per say, but instead educated and skilled debtors. Clearly Lightsnake has provided ample proof to back up his arguments. Why he needs to get the approval of the before mentioned debtors, I fail to understand.

She just posted, actually...agreeing with myself

Originally posted by Swirly Girl
*Sigh*

To be honest tdtd, you've effectively been out debated. Lightsnake's provided emails from the co-creator of TotJ on his opinion considering the matter, whereas you've provided what? I've not really seen anything come out from you apart from some seriously flawed premises and the inability to accept the fact that the co-creator of TotJ's opinion > your own.

TRaya, you're a teacher correct? How is that me being outdebated? To be outdebated, he would have had to provide logical arguments that outweigh mine, which he hasn't. Obviously he's provided proof so if you interpret it this way then obviously I'm interpreting it incorrectly.. But I guess Sama was right, Preference+Popularity.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
TRaya, you're a teacher correct? How is that me being outdebated? To be outdebated, he would have had to provide logical arguments that outweigh mine, which he hasn't. Obviously he's provided proof so if you interpret it this way then obviously I'm interpreting it incorrectly.. But I guess Sama was right, Preference+Popularity.

Another rung lost...

Originally posted by Arcana
You realize that Sama, Nai, and Escape aren't sources per say, but instead educated and skilled debtors. Clearly Lightsnake has provided ample proof to back up his arguments. Why he needs to get the approval of the before mentioned debtors, I fail to understand.

You also fail to understand that lightsnake provided proof, not arguments... That's not discrediting him, it's stating that instead of proving arguments he provided proof, perhaps you should read this entire thread, maybe then you won't "fail to understand".. And yes, those are skilled debators, not debtors, and since this is a versus forum that involves logical debating, they're the ones I want to confirm lightsnake's arguments, or proof.. Because I can ask the simple question of "how", with all those lines, and I fully intend to.

Originally posted by Arcana
Another rung lost...

You're right. Your opinion=fact. Because I have constructed arguments(obviously you haven't read anything on this thread), and lightsnake got emails from the authors, I somehow lost a debate? Wonderful logic Arcana, no really.

Umm...the authors really overrite any argument anyone could make. Because they wrote the stories!

I advise you to find out what 'proof' and 'arguments' mean

I am well aware of the difference. So let me ask you one thing, what is the point of this forum if you can't argue and instead you can just email the author asking for proof? That would defeat the whole purpose of debates, and your purpose here.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're right. Your opinion=fact. Because I have constructed arguments(obviously you haven't read anything on this thread), and lightsnake got emails from the authors, I somehow lost a debate? Wonderful logic Arcana, no really.

You are in denial... I suggest you get out.

Originally posted by Arcana
You are in denial... I suggest you get out.

Says the one that hasn't read the thread at all, called me a debtor, and clearly can't understand the concept of being "outdebated".

As I've told you over AIM, the "Yep" sealed the deal. I agree with Lightsnake on the matter (as much as it hurts my side of the argument). The other part of Veitch's statement is irrelevant. He put a period to seperate two thoughts. One which was "Yep" as in "Yes, Lightsnake, Yoda > Kun/Sith - quit emailing me".

LS: Clarifying! Yoda > Ancient Sith/Kun l0lz right?
Veitch: Yep.

And may I remind you all it could really matter less how many people agree. Just because we are in agreement, doesn't make it right (as we could be wrong, but that's highly doubtful). Argumentum ad populum.

Sexy, you're clinging to logical deduction when factual evidence (From the mouth of the co-creator himself) points to Yoda being on par with Exar Kun and the Ancient Sith.

You know...next to actually providing proof and winning....arguments are secondary. Besides, this is one facet, there's still hundreds of other SW characters who can be debated.

I gave proof for my arguments. That's what we call 'smart'

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
TRaya, you're a teacher correct? How is that me being outdebated?

Because he's used logical arguments which you've not debunked (instead insulting him) and he's also got the opinion of one of the co-creators of the character in question's support.

Again, I reiterate; Tom Veitch's opinion > yours.

To be outdebated, he would have had to provide logical arguments that outweigh mine, which he hasn't.

He most certainly has!

Obviously he's provided proof

You see the light!

so if you interpret it this way then obviously I'm interpreting it incorrectly.. But I guess Sama was right, Preference+Popularity.

O rly? Ya rly? No wai!

Yes Sama you're right and so are you GH. I just thought the purpose of this forum is debating. Obviously 99% of the people here can't debate and it's much easier to get an email from somebody.. And again, I did email Tom asking him how Yoda could be on par with Kun and the ancient sith, judging by the movies, the books, and the comics, because it's very illogical, but hopefully I'll get those questions answered.

Originally posted by Swirly Girl
Because he's used logical arguments which you've not debunked (instead insulting him) and he's also got the opinion of one of the co-creators of the character in question's support.

Again, I reiterate; Tom Veitch's opinion > yours.

He most certainly has!

You see the light!

O rly? Ya rly? No wai!

Where are the logical arguments Traya? I'm not saying mine were infallible but where were his logical arguments(TV) aside, that state Yoda>Kun.. and by Logical Arguments I don't mean quotes.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Says the one that hasn't read the thread at all, called me a debtor, and clearly can't understand the concept of being "out-debated".

Ah yes... so I misspelled a single word... that automatically labels me as stupid, and for your information little man, I have read the thread and think, I have been at this damn forum long enough that, I would carry some weight around here.

Also, I do understand the concept of being out-debated... I mean you are ample proof of what it means to be out-debated.

It's NOT illogical! It's your OPINION it's illogical and I REALLY doubt it's shared by the SW community as a whole, especially not on Stardestroyer.net and Theforce.net

You know something? Providing proof isn't a lack of debating skills: It's to the point and wraps up the argument.

Oh, and listing numerous sources citing Yoda actually, y'know, using the Force to incredible degrees and being an exemplary fighter...

You think we're debating for the sake of it? I'm in this to win, thank you!

Lightsnake, your argument is centered around quotes, and emails, period. That IS a lack of debating skills. And again ask Sama what is Logical, ask GH what is logical, ask anyone on this forum who is a skilled debator what is logical, they'll tell you.