Well Lucas did say that it was the strongest. I do recall that. However, he was not speaking in terms of lightsaber combat, evidence being battle of geonosis. The main style niman was being used and the jedi who used it were killed, but no more jedi orders, this is versus.
If yoda is the greatest thing darkness has, sorry for light.... Exar Kun has too much knowledge and devices to help him (not saying he will use them in the fight but mainly knowledge) that yoda just did not have.
Sry didnt see your last part. I am going nite got to get up at 5 to gt work. Argue w someone else...
One of the movie commentaries. And it was just 'Golden Age'...I believe the EU's piked up on.
And Yoda is the Jedi who's spent his entire existence fighting darkness, from Dark Jedi to pirates to Sith...Yoda's been said to have learned or developed defenses to any and all dark side techniques. Exar certainly didn't learn all the Ancient Sith Empire did...Palpatine certainly had more knowledge than him.
Thing is, Yoda's still the best duelist in a better era in skill, so there's a margin of skill there
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Since the writers have gone with the tiny detail that 'Golden Age' means the strongest time and at the peak of abilities, well...Oh, let me just make a counterargument: The writers have also said the later Sith Empires surpassed the Ancient Sith Empires of old.
That's not a counter argument sweetheart. Because you see, the Golden Age of the sith signified the height of it's sith alchemy and dark side power. The new sith empire, which I don't even know what that really is, surpassed the ancient sith in terms of greatness, just like Palpatine because the greatest sith lord. The Ancient Sith did not expand so again, their Golden Age was the Apex of power. Everything everybody ever got was from the Ancient Sith. Now please explain the Golden Age of the Jedi because the way I remember it, it marked the high point of peace..
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You lose, troll. Argue with LFL, not me
How do I translate that? Oh wait here goes..
I'm a moron who can't win an argument and gets angry everytime I lose and since this clearly contradicts my reality, I'm going to use unintelligent personal attacks because he's right and I'm wrong... Way to go lightsnake, or as you say it, you whiney brat.
Pwned
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Better era in skill?
Compared to what ? Kun's time ? What did you see the Jedi doing there that is some testament for their "skill" (force wise or in terms of duelling) at all ?
Andur Sunrider had his ass handed to a bunch of bandits. Do you see that happen to somebody like Mace, Anakin or Obi-Wan ? Or even some Padawans who walked over the dead bodies of entire gangs on their own ? I don't.
Arca Jeth, one of the most powerful Jedi in Kun's time, got his ass handed to a droid because he decided to give Ulic some lecture in the middle of a battle. Do you see that happen to any PT Jedi Master ? I don't.
Without wasting more time on such examples: Anderson did put Kun on one level with Sidious. Kun's own era produced exactly zero Jedi being a macth for Kun while the PT order produced at least two people who were able to face Sith Lords in direct confrontation and survive it (Yoda, Mace) even more if you want to add people like Dooku (when he was a Jedi), Anakin, Obi-Wan...
Better duelist?
Yoda a better duelist than Kun ? Most likely not. The point is that duelling ability only doesn't equal victory. Mace was a prodigy when it came to handling a lightsaber as we all know. Did he manage to defeat Yoda ? No. Dooku did spent his entire lifetime with practicing lightsaber styles and perfecting the "ultimate refinement of lightsaber vs lightsaber confrontation" - was he able to beat Yoda ? No.
Now if those two can't outduel Yoda and we have the description of Yoda dodging attacks by three Jedi (including one Vaapad master) without any effort - how would Kun be able to defeat him in a lightsaber fight ? Kun is a saber prodigy - I don't think that somebody even wants to discuss this fact - but to be honest I don't see how he would overcome Yoda except the one chance that he will tire him out. IF he's able to do that - and that's a big "if" actually.
Kun>Yoda.. This has already been argued, its over.
It has been argued ? With a conclusion ? Where ? The last time I've seen something that could be called "debate" about this topic it was in a Revan vs Exar or Revan vs Yoda thread with the result that we all agreed to disagree.
Ok fair enough point Nai but let me ask you this. Does the fact that Exar Kun was beyond everybody in his time, diminish his era or shows a testament of Kun's skill? I could just as well say that during the PT time is when there was 1-2 sith lords at the same time, so it's not exactly a normal comparison to the old republic times. And at the same time I can say that diminishes the power of Sidious or really puts Yoda on another level. I believe I saw a few threads where it was Vodo vs. Yoda, and there was more of a case for Vodo. That only matters to a certain extent here but the simple fact is, Kun had no equal in force abilities and saber combat, and he clearly displayed both abilites to perfection, or at least more than Sidious and his force lightning and Yoda's abilities. I never said this would be a curbstomp but there's very little chance Yoda could defeat a lightsaber prodigy during a more warlike period. Not to mention Yoda isn't magically going to know how to combat Exar Kun's unknown style. Which also doesn't matter TOO much but just my point. And if Kun has trouble with Yoda in saber combat, he always has his ancient sith spells and amulet to fall back on, unless of course youre going to tell me Yoda can dodge those things like nothing, especially without getting tired.
Oh Nai, as for the thread I just found it..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=342279&highlight=exar+kun+vs.+yoda
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ok fair enough point Nai but let me ask you this. Does the fact that Exar Kun was beyond everybody in his time, diminish his era or shows a testament of Kun's skill?
How does this even matter if Kun's creator says he's on Sidious level ?
I could just as well say that during the PT time is when there was 1-2 sith lords at the same time, so it's not exactly a normal comparison to the old republic times.
Let's see: Before Kun you have 1,000 years without any Dark Lord and then you have two Sith Lords (Exar and Ulic). Where is the difference between Kun's time and the PT era exactly ?
And at the same time I can say that diminishes the power of Sidious or really puts Yoda on another level. I believe I saw a few threads where it was Vodo vs. Yoda, and there was more of a case for Vodo. That only matters to a certain extent here but the simple fact is, Kun had no equal in force abilities and saber combat, and he clearly displayed both abilites to perfection, or at least more than Sidious and his force lightning and Yoda's abilities. I never said this would be a curbstomp but there's very little chance Yoda could defeat a lightsaber prodigy during a more warlike period.
Excuse me. The PT era was far more "warlike" like Kun's time. Wanna compare a 3 year full scale war to two fights on Onderon and some battles in the Sith War which lasted...hmm...6 months ?
And it doesn't matter what person X compared to person Y when the creator of person X says that person X is equal to person Y. If Yoda can take down Sidious he's a nice chance of taking down Kun too.
Not to mention Yoda isn't magically going to know how to combat Exar Kun's unknown style. Which also doesn't matter TOO much but just my point. And if Kun has trouble with Yoda in saber combat, he always has his ancient sith spells and amulet to fall back on, unless of course youre going to tell me Yoda can dodge those things like nothing, especially without getting tired.
Dude. Yoda can dodge the attacks of three Jedi at once. In ROTS you see him moving fast enough to deflect around a dozen (or even more) blaster beams per second. How is Kun going to hit Yoda exactly ?
Oh Nai, as for the thread I just found it..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=342279&highlight=exar+kun+vs.+yoda
Didn't you find an older thread ? A few days more in age and we would see Moses participating in the debate.