Exar Kun vs. Yoda

Uh wrong thread lightsnake.. Take that to the appropriate thread.. Thanks

And you're right, but my interpretation is indeed a logical one. And KJA himself did not state which Sidious it was, however he has no authority on Sidious. And of course you're going to trust Nai lightsnake, that's how you are. Anything that benefits Sidious or Yoda, is all of a sudden canon. And I'm glad youre trusting Nai because he also said Kun>yoda but not a curbstomp. And I tend to agree with his argument because he kinda proves me wrong on the whole curbstomping nonsense, but at least I have the balls to say it unlike you. At the very most, Yoda=Kun in saber combat. The text of Yoda knowing everything means very little in a versus fight involving a sith amulet.

Right, it'd mean nothing...
Here's a question: If Sith amulets are so uber, how wss a race using them wiped out? when we know Jedi faced them in combat? How'd Thon kill that one Ancient? How'd the Jedi win again the New Sith Empire when they used Sith amulets from ancient times? When their leader was beaten back by Hoth and said leader wore two at most, if not all times?

Nai also told you if Yoda lost it'd only be because he got tired, otherwise he didn't see him losing.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Right, it'd mean nothing...
Here's a question: If Sith amulets are so uber, how wss a race using them wiped out? when we know Jedi faced them in combat? How'd Thon kill that one Ancient? How'd the Jedi win again the New Sith Empire when they used Sith amulets from ancient times? When their leader was beaten back by Hoth and said leader wore two at most, if not all times?

Nai also told you if Yoda lost it'd only be because he got tired, otherwise he didn't see him losing.

Lightsnake, I won't insult you again, I will just break down your argument.. So here goes:

What does them possessing amulets have to do ANYTHING with them being wiped out? That is more irrelevant misdirection from you and serves no purpose in a versus thread. Same stupidity as how was Sidious(mr most uber sith lord ever), beaten by Luke/Vader. Many theories, who cares? Now about the new sith empire... If you conveniently forgot, the new sith empire wiped themselves out with the thought bomb... And show me what "ancient amulets" were used by them and what their purpose was. Because we have seen MANY ancient sith with amulets, as stated by Nai or Sama, and they were shown to do nothing. That's not a good argument lightsnake... Nor does it have anything to do with Exar Kun>Yoda.

Nai also stated in his first thread that he didn't see Kun losing to Yoda, even if Yoda is uber. So what, why are we bringing him into this, or why are you? I respect Nai for his argument but I also see that he has more of a thing for the new star wars, just like I have more of a thing for TOTJ.

Oh, right, they made them for decoration, then...Sadow's were the only ones that worked...

Okay, how about this: Yoda was the strongest of the stronger era. The best Jedi duelist of the top dueling eraand the strongest foe the darkness had ever known. He'a also much more agile than Kun and likely faster. And considering Kun has been shown to specifically not his amulets in one on one fights...I think Nai said it best: The only way Kun could win is if Yoda tires out. And Yoda can fight for a hell of a long time

Stronger era? who said it was the stronger era? You? The ancient sith>PT Era. I read Nai's thing on PT Jedi capabilities.. And again, Sama pretty much dissected your ambiguous "Strongest foe" text in the Revan thread. Please provide arguments and not just text. He MIGHT be more agile than Kun but faster? Maybe? You don't know that so you're speculating. And no, the sith didn't make the amulets for decorating. They specifically made them to pass down history to other generations, as is stated in DLOTS, so your point is moot. And I know what Nai said, and no offense to Nai because I respect his opinion, but Nai isn't canon.. And if you are going by his second post I'll just go by his first post where he said it was very unlikely Yoda could take on Kun.. Which is very logical.

You're not canon either so I'm trusting the sourcebooks and Lucas a LOT more than I trust you...the books, too.

Sorry, pal. The Ancient Sith were wiped out by Jedi...who were weaker than the PT era. Strongest Jedi of any generation in the PT? Check. Specifically stated to be the Golden Age by George? Check. EU writers picking that up and clarifying? Check.

Your argument collapses. The Ancient's Sith's major advance force was beaten by four Jedi, pal.

What I'm trying to say is:
Canon> you and right now it's made you its *****

Good, trust the sourcebooks and the ambiguous text that has been destroyed and dissected. Funny how when you can't continue an argument, you revert back to the text and say "the end". Unfortunately the text has no bearing on versus matches, and considering it contradicts a lot of things, it doesn't matter.. Spiffy debating Lightsnake.
Ancient sith being wiped out means they are below PT Jedi? Wow lightsnake, your argument has just been destroyed by yourself, with your ridiculous assumptions and your whiney attitude when you can't continue or don't get your way. Now since you always like to bring Nai into this, read his PT Capabilities.. Since he states the ancient sith are at the apex of their power, and obviously the PT Jedi are far less superior to them especially in terms of abilities(read natural selection), your argument dies... Again...And only after reading Nai's article would I even start to ponder the fact that the PT Jedi individually were better than the Old Republic Jedi...And that has nothing to do with the ancient sith, so stop making excuses for why you don't think they pwn, it makes no sense and it brings out the misdirection you constantly use.

Why are you forgetting the Ancients were wiped out by Jedi and the PT era is the strongest according to Lucas...?

You just love to call out ambiguous text, pal. The problem is, that text, unlike you is canonically valid. You wanna try arguing with Lucas? Believe me, the EU authors picked up on that statement.

Come on, show me an average Ancient Sith that did anything special....FOUR JEDI stopped their invasion force and killed, what, THREE Sith Lords at least? Lord Garu, the guardian of Adas's Holocron was killed in the war, even...The Ancient Sith would be wiped out in a war with the Jedi...and they were

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why are you forgetting the Ancients were wiped out by Jedi and the PT era is the strongest according to Lucas...?

You just love to call out ambiguous text, pal. The problem is, that text, unlike you is canonically valid. You wanna try arguing with Lucas? Believe me, the EU authors picked up on that statement.

Come on, show me an average Ancient Sith that did anything special....FOUR JEDI stopped their invasion force and killed, what, THREE Sith Lords at least? Lord Garu, the guardian of Adas's Holocron was killed in the war, even...The Ancient Sith would be wiped out in a war with the Jedi...and they were

1. Show me where Lucas said that
2. Even if he DID, he would be comparing Jedi to the ancient Jedi, not sith, so your point again is moot.

And yes because your arguments all fall back on text that isn't relevant to a versus thread at ALL. And again, how does 4 jedi defeating the ancient sith(4 known jedi, to think there were only 4 is retarded), have anything to do with their force abilities, and their abilities in combat(which is the ONLY relevant thing in this thread)? Come on lightsnake seriously... You're doing nothing but making irrelevant excuses for why you don't like the ancient sith. And if you're going to include Nai, don't tell me he's right with some things because you agree with them and then ignore the others..

DVD commentary? Escape can certainly clarify.

And nope, Four Jedi...the Comic shows OFUR JEDI arriving, and says there are four Jedi, led by Memit fighting on Coruscant...these FOUR JEDI were able to defeat the AS's invasion force on Coruscant...and Memit killed at least one Sith who may or may not've been Garu on his own.

It shows ONLY 4 jedi it doesnt say it took only 4 Jedi.. I love how you carefully just where in when to use absence of proof, where it only helps your case. And guess what lightsnake, your entire post was irrelevant because it has nothing to do with a versus fight.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Stronger era? who said it was the stronger era? You? The ancient sith>PT Era. I read Nai's thing on PT Jedi capabilities..

The PT era is the where we see Jedi in their "prime" - notice this means either:

prime ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prm)
adj.
First in excellence, quality, or value. See Usage Note at perfect.
First in degree or rank; chief. See Synonyms at chief.
First or early in time, order, or sequence; original.
Of the highest U.S. government grade of meat.
Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a prime number.

As I've said - it's not referring to a prime number. Now, that means simply that the PT era was the highest quality we see of the Jedi's skill. It clearly doesn't refer to their ideals because their ideals are peace. The entire PT is about the Empire's rise to power - which is not through peace. Along with the fact in every movie there's a war raging on.

And again, Sama pretty much dissected your ambiguous "Strongest foe" text in the Revan thread.

I dissected it? All I said was that the quote about Anakin refers to everyone excluding Yoda because of his age. ROTS is hardly Yoda's prime seeing as he dies twenty years later.

It says there are only four Jedi led by Memit...yes, those Sith as a whole are really uber

Yes lightsnake, lets conveniently forget the entire Tetan armies that did the trick, lets forget the fact that Gav Daragon betrayed Sadow, lets forget Sadow's poor tactics.. All this has what to do with force abilities and raw power? Oh wait, it doesn't, more irrelevant misdirection from you...

Sama you seem to be capable of deductive reasoning, so let me ask you something..

Yoda stalemated a not so powerful Sidious, while Kun I gues "tooled" Vodo, who was considered to be Yoda's equal or superior(this reading from previous threads). Kun also displayed far more force abilities while Sidious and Yoda displayed far less. Deductive reasoning states that Yoda wasn't able to beat a somewhat old Sidious in a saber duel(granted he probably would have if it lasted longer), what makes you think he can contend with a YOUNGER, more POWERFUL lightsaber prodigy who has the secrets of the ancient sith, and had no equal in his time?

And no lightsnake, it doesn't state 4 jedi, it shows 4 jedi fighting. So by your absence of proof, we are to believe there are 4 Jedi in the entire republic fighting in the great hyperspace war? Please..

Gav Daragon did nothing but achieve the dispelling of the illusions, besides Ooroo, there wasn't a single Jedi casualty...the Jedi were throwing back and slaughtering Sith in great numbers....oh, and the Tetan army wasn't even ON Coruscant. And Sorry! It says several Jedi are fighting, led by Memit...there were jsut four Jedi there unless you find me a source saying different

Oh, and Vodo's nowhere near Yoda's power....and Yoda displayed far mroe intunement and power with the force than Exar. Able to enter minds? destroy an army of droids with a sweep of his hand? Lift a temple? Yoda also had access to the secrets of ancient Sith and Jedi with the guarded and secret Holocrons, and age means anything to power now? Please.

Yoda= strongest Jedi master ever in the Golden Age. Confirmed, fact and canon. Knows far more of the Force than Kun does. Kun had Sadow's secrets which were hardly one of a kind, too. Yoda had access to study the Ancient Sith through Adas's holocron, even and the Great Holocron...and last I checked, Yoda disarmed Sidious.

Yoda= stronger of the stronger era, fast, more agile, harder to block

Lightsnake, listing Yoda's feats again, is irrelevant considering none of them have to do with his ability in a 1 on 1 fight. And no, you conveniently forget that the war didn't take place in one area, but in MANY different areas, hence where Odan Urr was, the battle of Kirrek, etc.. So again, to think there was only 4 jedi fighting is ridiculous(not to you because you think it helps your argument). Now, for your other ridiculous statements..

Yoda knows more than Kun? Hardly.. Nothing but your own biased opinion, that's ALL.. Understand that..
Lets see, using Sadow to discredit or diminish Kun's character, bravo lightsnake, yet irrelevant. It just says more about Sadow than less about Kun. Next
Yoda disarming Sidious...Ok? More misdirection?
Yoda is the strongest of the stronger era, ok? That says absolutely nothing for how he would contend with an ancient DLOTS.. No offense to you lightsnake because I have seen good arguments from you, but your arguments die the minute you start using misdirection and text as your focal points.

Ok, none of Kun;s abilities have to do with a one on one fight as he's proven to prefer his saber.

And the fights, as stated, took place in three areas: Kirrek's captial, Coruscant and Koros Major...Odan Urr and Ooroo were on Kirrek, FOUR JEDI were on Coruscant, deal with that. It stated several Jedi led by Memit.

and sorry, pal, Yoda being stronger than any Jedi from an era that, y'know, exterminated your rpecious ancients...
Yoda: Had access to numerous teachings of both the JEdi and Sith, including the 100,000 years worth of knowledge in Adas's holocron and the entire history of the Jedi, mastered all defenses and offensive powers
Exar: training from Vodo and what Sadow left being his prime materials.

Yeah, I'd say Yoda's knowledge far exceeded Exar's. Probably his physical strenth, too:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=505&page=65

See that? Yoda was carrying it. On. His. Back:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=505&page=65

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, none of Kun;s abilities have to do with a one on one fight as he's proven to prefer his saber.

And the fights, as stated, took place in three areas: Kirrek's captial, Coruscant and Koros Major...Odan Urr and Ooroo were on Kirrek, FOUR JEDI were on Coruscant, deal with that. It stated several Jedi led by Memit.

and sorry, pal, Yoda being stronger than any Jedi from an era that, y'know, exterminated your rpecious ancients...
Yoda: Had access to numerous teachings of both the JEdi and Sith, including the 100,000 years worth of knowledge in Adas's holocron and the entire history of the Jedi, mastered all defenses and offensive powers
Exar: training from Vodo and what Sadow left being his prime materials.

Yeah, I'd say Yoda's knowledge far exceeded Exar's. Probably his physical strenth, too

No, he's proven to use the amulet when he NEEDS to, which is VERY relevant to a versus fight lightsnake, especially if he is losing. May I remind you what the amulet does to his anger, and vice versa?
About the Great Hyperspace War, where are you getting this nonsense from? I'm looking at my comic book here and you seem to be making a lot of shit up. I realize it showed a total of 6 Jedi and that very well may be accurate, or it may not be which I presume it's not.. So get over it, your opinion is NOT fact. Neither is mine, which is why I try to logically deduce things, while you provide text, and misdirection as your argument.
Now... Again, Yoda being stronger than blah blah blah, your opinion is irrelevant here again. I can just as well argue that Kun, Ulic, and Revan are more powerful than Yoda and can provide an argument for it while you again will provide irrelevant misdirection, and quotes.. And for all of Yoda's access, Kun had direct access to the ancient sith, which beats any knowledge and amount of knowledge Yoda can have... Now...
Yoda's knowledge>Kun's=fanboyism and not fact..
Yoda's strength>Kun=fanboyism.. But of course you conveniently forget how Kun picks up the chancellor with 1 arm.. Nice one lightsnake..

ONE time, when being squeezed by a greature big as a mountain.

and you're full of crap: "A few Jedi, led by Memit Nadill fight on...they do not consider their chances of survival."
There are four Jedi. Disprove it. It says there are only a few Jedi, we see only Four ARRIVE ON THE PLANET...

That's fascinating, Kun picks up squid-boy with one arm...Yoda is lifting a huge crate tat's gotta way a ton on its own which holds a massive gattling gun that's about as big as a house

Oh I'm sorry, that all of a sudden means Yoda>Kun.. Please lightsnake enough.. I am well aware of the fact that there were 4 Jedi on that planet and 2 on the other one, that doesn't at all mean that there were 6 jedi fighting the republic. Like I said that COULD be the case but it's illogical to think that only 6 jedi fought in the hyperspace war(not for you because again you think it helps your case). And please discontinue this 10039580948509 irrelevant misdirection, because you still haven't stated how Yoda could possibly complete with Kun.