Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nebaris, why are you comparing Palpatine to Kun in saber combat? Kun was clearly superior to Palpatine in it. Force abilities are a different matter.
Would you care to give an explanation?
The only thing that puts Kun above the PT top dogs in my eyes is his strength in the force, access to knowledge and artifacts at his disposal.
While he was undoubtedly a great duelist, I can't imagine him being greater than Sidous. I mean all he really did with a saber was floor Crado (a very strong knight at his time) when he was a padawan, stalemate Ulic Quel-Droma and defeat his master, though with the aid of an advantage in regards to their weapons: Vodo's staff was inferior as Kun's saber was able to break through it - this doesn't indicate Kun's superiority over Vodo in regards to dueling in any way except that it shows that Kun possessed incredibly strong physical strength.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Would you care to give an explanation?
The only thing that puts Kun above the PT top dogs in my eyes is his strength in the force, access to knowledge and artifacts at his disposal.
While he was undoubtedly a great duelist, I can't imagine him being greater than Sidous. I mean all he really did with a saber was floor Crado (a very strong knight at his time) when he was a padawan, stalemate Ulic Quel-Droma and defeat his master, though with the aid of an advantage in regards to their weapons: Vodo's staff was inferior as Kun's saber was able to break through it - this doesn't indicate Kun's superiority over Vodo in regards to dueling in any way except that it shows that Kun possessed incredibly strong physical strength.
1. Sidious was not a great light saber duelist
2. Kun is superior to the PT besides Yoda
3. Vodo's staff was supposed to be more powerful than a lightsaber, as specifically stated..
4. How are you going to defend against a fighting style you've never seen?
No, Sidious was a pretty damn good saber duelist...
I dunno..I guess the same way ESB ERA LUKE defended from a style he never saw....same as Nejaa Halcyon defended against a style he'd never seen...same as Quinlan Vos defended himself from Vaapad or Yoda and dooku defended themselves from Vaapad, too...
1. He was able to defeat 3 powerful jedi masters in a matter of seconds. He was able to stalemate Yoda with a saber. He was able to trouble Mace Windu.
2. Can you please provide proof, or at least not try to pass off your opinion as fact? Remember, this is in terms of dueling ability. In my eyes, Count Dooku, Yoda, Sidious and Mace Windu were all definitely greater than Kun in regards to saber dueling.
3. And it clearly wasn't, as a lightsaber was able to break through it. Duh...
4. What fighting style would that be lol? A saber staff dueling form? I didn't know that was such an unknown form? And Palpatine did pretty well against Windu's Vaapad, a form he had never seen...
And I'd just like to make it clear, I can see Kun taking this in about 20 seconds tops, I'm not denying that, but I doubt in a matter of seconds.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Sidious was a pretty damn good saber duelist...I dunno..I guess the same way ESB ERA LUKE defended from a style he never saw....same as Nejaa Halcyon defended against a style he'd never seen...same as Quinlan Vos defended himself from Vaapad or Yoda and dooku defended themselves from Vaapad, too...
Oh yea, ESB Luke did a FANTASTIC job.. Now you're comparing apples and oranges, wonderful. Your point is moot considering Vaapad was a known technique, and Palpatine was not among the best saber duelists, so that puts him below Kun.
He only KILLED the dark jedi using said style...
And no, Vaapad was practiced by three people, all of which helped invent it. And Palpatine is able to square off with Yoda...and according to Gl, you need to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. Oh, and Palpatine killed three Jedi masters in three seconds
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He only KILLED the dark jedi using said style...And no, Vaapad was practiced by three people, all of which helped invent it. And Palpatine is able to square off with Yoda...and according to Gl, you need to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. Oh, and Palpatine killed three Jedi masters in three seconds
OH yes, because those wonderful Jedi masters were truly powerful, really. And whats your point about Yoda/Mace fighting Palpatine? I'm fairly certain Anakin/Dooku could also. Doesn't really put him on par with Kun.
Umm, they're council members who survived Geonosis...id you miss Kit destroying an underwater tank all on his own? As they're on the council, yes indeed they're powerful and the ROTS novelization calls them the best masters left on Coruscant besides Mace as Yoda was gone
And you HAVE to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with Palpatine according to GL, implying they're the only two who could
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Umm, they're council members who survived Geonosis...id you miss Kit destroying an underwater tank all on his own? As they're on the council, yes indeed they're powerful and the ROTS novelization calls them the best masters left on Coruscant besides Mace as Yoda was goneAnd you HAVE to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with Palpatine according to GL, implying they're the only two who could
Show me where GL says that... Because GL apparently also stated Anakin was on par with Mace, and Mace and Dooku were supposed to be on par... So that doesn't say much..