Saesee Tiin & Kit Fisto vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
That was a statement regarding saber combat.. We've had some of you on this forum confirm that Dooku and Anakin were on par with Sidious in saber abilities.

I want to make this absolutely clear to you. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

Sidious is either tied for first in line with Yoda or is a close second, but is not a "good lightsaber duelist"?

Extremely poor logic.

Sidious's lightsaber abilities are vague. I will not get into the Sidious vs. Mace issue, but let me reiterate that Windu did not simply swing three times and put Sidious on his ass.

Furthermore, take into consideration that Palpatine killed Windu's three companions whilst fending him off. This one extremely vague and extremely convenient battle doesn't necessarily indicate that Windu is above and beyond Palpatine.

What logic is poor here exactly? The fact that Mace is above Sidious in saber combat, because he beat him? Or are you going to tell me that Mace used shatterpoint to defeat Sidious too?

*Reads ROTS novelization*
What was the quote...?
"This may have gone oin forever....if Vaapad was Mace's only gift."

Lightsnake, your point about Mace not using his form was defeated, please stop bothering with it.

Trying to argue against canon, again? No, you know something? I'm not gonna stop bothering with it.

Open up the ROTS novelization and find the description of the Mace vs. Palpatine fight. Now, the official LFL approved version states Mace's shatterpoint ability allowed him to overcome their stalemate

Great, yet in the movie we see him use the only form that he has been known to use, and beat Palpatine, so shut up about it. Unless of course Obiwan doesn't soresu, Dooku doesn't use Makashi, Yoda doesn't use Ataru. Your point is moot.

Oh, right, you even know what the shatterpoint IS?

I have it but I have not read it. What is your point exactly? Mace beat Sidious, period.

Mace's shatterpoint ability is finding a flaw in anything: Someone's technique, their guard, a war...and exploiting it brings it down.

In other words, until Mace used said ability, as we know from Mace's point of view in the ROTS novel, he was dead even in saber combat with Palpatine on that ground

Dead even? It didn't look dead even lightsnake? It looked like Mace had the advantage the entire time. And when does he use this awesome ability? Either way, he won, case closed.

According to Mace's POV, he was stalemating Palpatine until he took advantage of the shatterpoint ability. I trust Mace's interpretation more than yours

And I trust the movie more than I trust your interpretation, sorry.

This is just a fun example of someone saying "What I think is canon!"

Sorry! ROTS novelization says otherwise from Mace's POV

Sorry! The movie shows Mace on the offensive keeping a straight face, while Sidious is making all these wonderful gestures.. Movie>Book, you lose.. And the fact that you keep droning on about how Sidious lost is irrelevant. Mace>Sidious in saber combat.

Really now? so Sidious doesn't force Mace back? And Mace always keeps a poker face when fighting.

Book>You, you lose

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Really now? so Sidious doesn't force Mace back? And Mace always keeps a poker face when fighting.

Book>You, you lose

Yes, Mace always keeps a poker face when fighting..Again.. Logic>your opinion>your fanboyism

The Movie>the Book
Ergo, you lose yet another argument.

And the movie doesn't contradcit the book at all. Y'know, except in your head.

Oh of course, this coming from the man who thinks Mace always keeps a straight face. The movie also shows Mace using his technique, and shows nothing about "shatterpoint". So as my original point goes. Mace is superior to Sidious in saber combat.. So, pwned.

Read Shatterpoint...few had ever seen Mace's expression alter within YEARS of knowing him.

and y'know, shatterpoint is a force ability from Mace's perception...it's not something visible. What Yoda not meditate because we don't 'see' him chatting with Qui-gon?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Read Shatterpoint...few had ever seen Mace's expression alter within YEARS of knowing him.

and y'know, shatterpoint is a force ability from Mace's perception...it's not something visible. What Yoda not meditate because we don't 'see' him chatting with Qui-gon?

Are you blind? Mace>Sidious in saber combat.. The end. Why are you arguing a losing debate?