cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by SevenShackles
comeon how could you dubt him? he isnt that old yet! im lookin at the exp, the shield, the willingness to plow threw spiderman if need be. spiderman always has some issue with something.

i can see spiderman winning but i dont see cap staying down... i can see cap winning and i can see spiderman staying down.
lol that make any sense?

Not really since Spider-man very rarely gives up unless it is impossible for him to actually get up. Cap isn't the only one ho never wants to give up.

Besides what does Cap getting up again after being beaten by Spider-man have to do with him "winning" lol

Originally posted by Sparkz
Not really since Spider-man very rarely gives up unless it is impossible for him to actually get up. Cap isn't the only one ho never wants to give up.

Besides what does Cap getting up again after being beaten by Spider-man have to do with him "winning" lol

lol sorry i wasnt clear. i think 😛
get up meaning spiderman would be laid out... he wouldnt be getting up. where i could see cap struggling to his feet and pulling off a victory.
plus out of the two i picture cap hving the most drive to win in this conflict. i have enough cap comics to know if he wants to kick your ass he kicks it [for the most part]

then again most of my cap comics are really old and he kicks everybodies ass in those 😄

Originally posted by SevenShackles
lol sorry i wasnt clear. i think 😛
get up meaning spiderman would be laid out... he wouldnt be getting up. where i could see cap struggling to his feet and pulling off a victory.
plus out of the two i picture cap hving the most drive to win in this conflict. i have enough cap comics to know if he wants to kick your ass he kicks it [for the most part]

then again most of my cap comics are really old and he kicks everybodies ass in those 😄

Well that is fair enough, but Spider-man has the same drive in his comics. And I don't see how Cap is gonna lay Spidey out, yes he could do it, but not more often than not.

Originally posted by marvelprince
And again I say I didn't ask about technique and speed. Just if he had sufficient strength.

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I thought he said no Cap didn't have suffcient strength to grapple with the Hulk, But he does have the technique and speed, I would disagree mind you but thats what I think he was trying to say.

Originally posted by Soljer
That's hardly comparable.

Spidey knocked out Rhino, but has shown to struggle to knock out people less durable than him.

And sometimes Cap can KO one of the wrecking crew and others the Red Skull won't go down. Seems pretty comparable to me 😬

Originally posted by Sparkz
I thought he said no Cap didn't have suffcient strength to grapple with the Hulk, But he does have the technique and speed, I would disagree mind you but thats what I think he was trying to say.

No, I knew what he was getting at I just wanted him to come out and say that Cap ISN'T strong enough to do it.

Originally posted by marvelprince
No, I knew what he was getting at I just wanted him to come out and say that Cap ISN'T strong enough to do it.

Oh...my bad.

Originally posted by marvelprince
And sometimes Cap can KO one of the wrecking crew and others the Red Skull won't go down. Seems pretty comparable to me 😬

I'm not talking about in fights. I'm talking about pure lifting.

There has not been a single instance that comes to mind that Cap's ever limited himself to lifting eight hundred pounds. 😬.

Cap is strong. I think he can lift (at most) 2 tons, and that's a lot.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Cap is strong. I think he can lift (at most) 2 tons, and that's a lot.

I'd say somewhere between one and two, ✅.

Originally posted by marvelprince
When did Bru say that?

You got me there. Apparently he said it on the alvaro comic book forum, ive enquired but I have had no response. I told this by Daredevil1 I would assume hes not lying, but yeah thats not enough evidence.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Handbooks aren't gospel, but they usually are a pretty good measuring stick. If every handbook since the beginning of handbooks put Cap at peak human are you going to continue to argue Cap as a superhuman based on a few panels?

The reason why I have only a few panels because they are of Cap working out. According to Cmaster Cap can do superhuman feats under duress. The examples I gave where Cap not under duress.

If people wanted to read about Cap working out I would have more evidence.

Originally posted by marvelprince
If every handbook says that and we have one feat on panel to go against that then I'm siding with the handbooks.
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Er Namor has exceeded 85 tons billions of times. Are all his feats PIS? Cap has exceeded 800lbs billions of times.

Originally posted by Sparkz
[B]Oh...my bad.

Sparkz take a look at the quotes below:

Originally posted by marvelprince
So your trying to say Cap is in the same strength class as Hulk or Iron Man because he grappled them? 😕

Originally posted by Alfheim
No technique and speed.

Originally posted by marvelprince

So basically Sol your with Alf in that Cap isn't the pinnacle of human perfection, but that he's a bonafide super human with super strength to grapple the Hulk, durability to shrug off multiple ton-punches and superior speed?

What you can clearly see is that he asked me wether Cap has superhuman strength to grapple the Hulk. I said NO, its irrelevant wether or not hes interested in technique and speed, I answered his question by saying NO, which means hes not strong enough.

Instead of admitting he was wrong he is just going around the houses. I by the way dont think Cap an grapple the Hulk im just saying oldschool cap is more powerful.

Originally posted by Alfheim
just saying oldschool cap is more powerful.

Just so theres no misunderstanding. When I say oldschools Cap was more powerful I mean he was more skillful, not stronger as I have stated before.

The Overused Street Leveler Top-Tier from a Logical Point of View:
1: Wolverine (He has a healing factor and adamantium skeleton. That alone puts him CLASSES beyond the other)
2: Spiderman (Can't defeat Wolverine and his claws or kill him with his healing factor, but his immense strengt, speed and reflexes should automatically put him above the other street levelers.)
3: Captain America (His skills and peakcondition puts him above the rest. Also his shield. But he cant do shit to Wolverine and Spiderman one-shots him.)
4: Batman (Beneath Cap psycically, even through their even in skill. A very small victory to Cap)
5: Daredevil (Not as strong or skilled as Batman, but very close)
And it's pretty much fanboyism to say otherwise in my world.

Spiderman is around 30 times as strong as Cap. (Cap can lift 800 ibs, Spiderman can lift 20 tons! For gods sake, no competition here!)

Spiderman is around 9 times as fast as Cap (Cap is at best double as fast as normal humen, and Spiderman is 18 times faster than normal people. No competition here!)

Spiderman has a hypersensitive sense for feeling vibrations in the air and his brain reacts faster on danger than any other human, while Cap only has trained martial arts reflexes. Spiderman should have around 5 times as quick reflexes as Cap.

And then it comes... Here it comes... CAP IS EXTREMELY SKILLED!
OMG, this thread is infected with Cap-fanboyism... People ridiculed me in the Goku vs Superman thread for this... What a two-sided opinion.

Cap can't dodge Spidermans punches, cause dodging is slower than punching, and Spidey punches with so much speed that Cap shouldn't even be able to SEE his punches before they hit him. And if Cap can survive getting his head drived over by a truck, he can MAYBE take a punch to the head from Spidey... He dies in one punch.

And he can't block Spidey's punches, and hope not to break his arms and get slinged helpless through the air as a doll...

This is unfair.
Spidey wins, 10/10

Wow, what a judgement....

doped.

Will you give Cap a warriors' svend off? He deserves at least that much, right?

Spider-Man vs Captain America would be one of the greatest fights of comic book history IF! They are fight all out because if Captain America is as tough as he was patrade in the Ultimate Avengers it would take alot for Spider-Man to put him down going by how much punishment he took from the Hulk. Also Spider-Man has to be fighting at his best not holding anything back in the fight.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wow, what a judgement....

doped.

Will you give Cap a warriors' svend off? He deserves at least that much, right?

What do you mean?

Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man vs Captain America would be one of the greatest fights of comic book history IF! They are fight all out because if Captain America is as tough as he was patrade in the Ultimate Avengers it would take alot for Spider-Man to put him down going by how much punishment he took from the Hulk. Also Spider-Man has to be fighting at his best not holding anything back in the fight.

Cap, a peak-human, would never survive ONE hit from Hulk without PIS.
He would get killed by a simple slap from Hulk

Originally posted by Dangerous
Spiderman is around 30 times as strong as Cap. (Cap can lift 800 ibs, Spiderman can lift 20 tons! For gods sake, no competition here!)

Spiderman is around 9 times as fast as Cap (Cap is at best double as fast as normal humen, and Spiderman is 18 times faster than normal people. No competition here!)

Spiderman has a hypersensitive sense for feeling vibrations in the air and his brain reacts faster on danger than any other human, while Cap only has trained martial arts reflexes. Spiderman should have around 5 times as quick reflexes as Cap.

And then it comes... Here it comes... CAP IS EXTREMELY SKILLED!
OMG, this thread is infected with Cap-fanboyism... People ridiculed me in the Goku vs Superman thread for this... What a two-sided opinion.

Cap can't dodge Spidermans punches, cause dodging is slower than punching, and Spidey punches with so much speed that Cap shouldn't even be able to SEE his punches before they hit him. And if Cap can survive getting his head drived over by a truck, he can MAYBE take a punch to the head from Spidey... He dies in one punch.

And he can't block Spidey's punches, and hope not to break his arms and get slinged helpless through the air as a doll...

This is unfair.
Spidey wins, 10/10

Originally posted by Dangerous
Cap, a peak-human, would never survive ONE hit from Hulk without PIS.
He would get killed by a simple slap from Hulk