Originally posted by Alfheim
That sounds like an excuse to me. You ask me does Cap have superhuman strength to grapple the hulk and I say.
So you don't address my question as to whether he has the strength or not, instead throw out two other things I'm aware of and yet thats an answer? Next time lets try a yes, or a no.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Alluded to what? Again sounds like excuses you asked me a question I responded with a statement which clearly states that he doesnt have superhuman strength to tackle the Hulk. You then make a statement implying I did. Excuses? Its simple seems like your trying to go off on a tangent.
My question never was about skill or speed. I asked if he had the strength to grapple. Also I don't have to "imply" that you think Cap has superhuman strength, its pretty well documented that you think so.
Its a simple yes or no question as to whether Cap has the strength to grapple with Hulk. No need to get all defensive and go into some tirade.
Originally posted by marvelprince
So you don't address my question as to whether he has the strength or not, instead throw out two other things I'm aware of and yet thats an answer? Next time lets try a yes, or a no.
What you mean this bit.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No technique and speed.
I thought this time I would underline the bit where I said no.
Originally posted by marvelprince
My question never was about skill or speed. I asked if he had the strength to grapple.
Yeah I know. You missed the point completely, but lets see if you get it when you scroll down.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Also I don't have to "imply" that you think Cap has superhuman strength, its pretty well documented that you think so.
Yeah about 1 ton strength.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Its a simple yes or no question as to whether Cap has the strength to grapple with Hulk. No need to get all defensive and go into some tirade.
No actually there is a good reason for me to get into a tirade. You asked me do I think that Cap has superhuman strength to grapple the Hulk. I said no. After that you make fun of me and state that I did say he had superhuman strength to grapple the hulk. Instead of being a man and accepting your mistake you are now telling me that I didnt give you a yes or no answer. I clearly stated no.
Just admit you were wrong.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Right so thats 18 times faster then Cap? 😐
Well you could argue that that is true seeing as Cap is human :/ but for some reason street levellers are all pretty damn fast so no that's probably not true...
Hmm now that that has been brought up it makes me wonder how many times faster is cap than an average person...
Originally posted by Sparkz
Hmm now that that has been brought up it makes me wonder how many times faster is cap than an average person...
In terms of pure speed, around 6 times faster.
The fastest a man was clocked running at was 27-29mph. And remember this is not an average man; the average is more likely around 10 mph.
Cap has been clocked at 60mph. Its argued that he could probably go faster, but...........who knows.
In terms of reaction and reflex's, its hard to tell, he can dodge bullets with ease so I say at least a couple times faster then your ordinary human
Originally posted by Apolloknight
In terms of pure speed, around 6 times faster.The fastest a man was clocked running at was 27-29mph. And remember this is not an average man; the average is more likely around 10 mph.
Cap has been clocked at 60mph. Its argued that he could probably go faster, but...........who knows.
In terms of reaction and reflex's, its hard to tell, he can dodge bullets with ease so I say at least a couple times faster then your ordinary human
i talked to marvel handbook writer about it , he said it was purely hyperbole and cap shoudl not be able to do that as it is superhuman , he did say that that feat may be during the peroid cap was augemente to superhuman levels
Originally posted by Sparkz
all pretty damn fast so no that's probably not true...Hmm now that that has been brought up it makes me wonder how many times faster is cap than an average person...
Yeah thats my point.
Originally posted by ankur29
i talked to marvel handbook writer about it , he said it was purely hyperbole and cap shoudl not be able to do that as it is superhuman , he did say that that feat may be during the peroid cap was augemente to superhuman levels
Well Brubaker has said otherwise. I think I'll take Brubakers word for it. Besides handbooks get facts wrong often.
Originally posted by ankur29
BTW this is how i think spidey and cap physically compare
cap please tell me otherwise .... (keep in mind spidey is superhuman and cap is peak human)Captain America
Spiderman
The problem with the Cap bio is that it has got all the stuff for Cap wrong. Cap has run at 60miles per hour and has lifted more than 800lbs during a workout. Its all wrong, wrong,wrong.
If we are going by handbooks then alot of Namor feats are PIS as well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I thought this time I would underline the bit where I said no.
And again I say I didn't ask about technique and speed. Just if he had sufficient strength.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I know. You missed the point completely, but lets see if you get it when you scroll down.
Maybe you just don't get what I'm asking. Do you think Cap has superhuman strength to grapple with Hulk. His skills and speed are of no consequence to me cause I wasn't addressing them.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah about 1 ton strength.
So Cap does have superhuman strength to you? Was that so hard?
Originally posted by Alfheim
No actually there is a good reason for me to get into a tirade. You asked me do I think that Cap has superhuman strength to grapple the Hulk. I said no. After that you make fun of me and state that I did say he had superhuman strength to grapple the hulk. Instead of being a man and accepting your mistake you are now telling me that I didnt give you a yes or no answer. I clearly stated no.
No you went off tangent instead of just sticking to my question. Whether or not Cap has the "skills" or "speed" is inconsequential to what I was asking. Strength-wise does Cap have what it takes? You said no, but seemed to backtrack with your response of speed and skill, which makes no sense to me as I'm not going to win a grappling match against a grizzly bear cause I have the skills.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well Brubaker has said otherwise. I think I'll take Brubakers word for it. Besides handbooks get facts wrong often.
When did Bru say that?
Originally posted by Alfheim
The problem with the Cap bio is that it has got all the stuff for Cap wrong. Cap has run at 60miles per hour and has lifted more than 800lbs during a workout. Its all wrong, wrong,wrong.If we are going by handbooks then alot of Namor feats are PIS as well.
Handbooks aren't gospel, but they usually are a pretty good measuring stick. If every handbook since the beginning of handbooks put Cap at peak human are you going to continue to argue Cap as a superhuman based on a few panels?
If every Handbook says that Namor can only swim at fourty miles per hour, and can only lift eighty tons, are we going to argue that he's much faster and much stronger based off a few panels?
It's the same thing, friend. Cap has plenty of feats that GREATLY outstrip his handbook ratings...
And, as we all know, if on-panel feats conflict with the handbook bios....feats > bios. 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
If every Handbook says that Namor can only swim at fourty miles per hour, and can only lift eighty tons, are we going to argue that he's much faster and much stronger based off a few panels?
If every handbook says that and we have one feat on panel to go against that then I'm siding with the handbooks.
Originally posted by Soljer
It's the same thing, friend. Cap has plenty of feats that GREATLY outstrip his handbook ratings...
And he also has lots of feats that put him squarely in that range. The way I look at the classifications of the handbook is that its all a range and that Cap is the high end of that range. If you want to call him "superhuman" or "peak" its not a big deal to me as I personally consider him THE peak human where no one else is on his level but if you want to think of him as a low level superhuman its no hair off my back.
Originally posted by Soljer
And, as we all know, if on-panel feats conflict with the handbook bios....feats > bios.
Yup but consistent handbook entries >> than a few "super" on panel feats.
Everyone has moments where they've done things outside of their class. Spider-Man has KO'ed Rhino and beat a herald but I'm not gonna put him as herald level.
🤨 That's hardly comparable.
Spidey knocked out Rhino, but has shown to struggle to knock out people less durable than him.
Captain America has never struggled with weights as low as 800 pounds. There hasn't been a single time to my memory that Cap has needed to push himself to be the handbook definition of peak human - he exceeds it damn near every issue he's in. 😐.
Originally posted by Soljer
.....Definitely wouldn't go that far....
comeon how could you dubt him? he isnt that old yet! im lookin at the exp, the shield, the willingness to plow threw spiderman if need be. spiderman always has some issue with something.
i can see spiderman winning but i dont see cap staying down... i can see cap winning and i can see spiderman staying down.
lol that make any sense?
