cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Soljer
I said that leaving after images was nothing impressive because Cap's done it. Spiderman's done it. Daredevil's done it. Iron Fist's done it. Batman's done it. Nightwing's done it. I'm pretty sure Aunt May has left an after image or two now and again.

I acknowledge that Cap has done it but no one has even close to the amount that Peter has. 'Cept maybe Flash and other legitimate speedsters of course.

Originally posted by Soljer
I italicized Cap dodging bullets after they were fired because someone above me acted like it was a big deal for Spidey to do so. Cap's done similarly.

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Originally posted by Soljer
And, HELL NO, I'm not with Alfheim. That kid's a Cap fanboy to the Nth degree. All I'm arguing is that Cap is plenty fast enough to keep up with Spidey, and has the skills to put him down, even if he lacks the strength.

It was your comment about Cap laughing off 20 ton punches that got me asking

Originally posted by Soljer
He isn't as fast as Spidey, but he isn't getting speedblitzed, either. He'll be able to fight, react, dodge, block, and hit Spidey, as Spidey will be able to do the same to him.

Eh, I think he's fast enough to avoid a blitz, but if this is all out Spidey going max speed Cap shouldn't be able to hang. Normal "regular" Spidey matches up with Cap though.

Originally posted by Soljer
And as I said before, Cap won't be able to take very many of Spiderman's punches (though he won't be killed by a single blow), but, then again, Spiderman won't be able to take too many well placed nerve strikes, either.

I very highly doubt that Cap can last a full force haymaker from Peter. Alot of his durability comes from his chain-mail but headshots from Peter will put him down.

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman, 7/10. As I've said all umpteen pages of this damned thing.

I know you still think Peter would win but its the dispute about the speed that gets to me. Generally I'd say both are in the same league but both of them, pedal to the metal? Steve can't hang.

And as I said before, Cap won't be able to take very many of Spiderman's punches (though he won't be killed by a single blow), but, then again, Spiderman won't be able to take too many well placed nerve strikes, either.

Spider-Man's punches do considerably more damage than a shotgun.

If CA can survive being shot in the face with a shotgun, let me know.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah you're argument is that hes peak human and under duress can do superhuman feats. If thats the case why was he working out doing reps with 1100lbs easily and then doing gymantaicas afterwards. That means he can at least do 1500lbs with one rep. Is 1500lbs peak human or superhuman....furthermore:

Again this is superhuman strength because if he can curl 500lbs he can benchpress a superhuman amount.

So if he characterized is being peak human why does he do superhuman feats even when hes not under pressure. Please dont tell me about Scott Mendehelson he did one rep of 1008 lbs with a banch shirt. Peak human strength is around a 1000lbs.

You need to stop comparing Batman with Cap. Cap has the SSS and Brubaker said Cap isnt Batman with a shield. So even the writers dont think hes peak human.

Im quite sure Cap tackled Thor, Iron Man and Giant Man in the Avengers.

Well first of all Cap is superhuman and hes an extremely talented superhuman. Whats the problem? Besides Mantis's skill are still earthly.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mantis

[B]Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful

Mantis still has peak human strength and Thor can still lift Thousands and millions of tons, but its ok for her to do it but cap cant.

So will I Batman sneaking up on Superman. [/B]

Marvel's thoughts and certain writers/fans thoughts are different, I want to see where Cap is superhuman, all heroes do feats.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Noone thinks he's superhuman but you... it still hasn't been listed anywhere, your comparison to research isn't the same since that is upgraded and is a living organism and not a manmade creation. Like Capt.

Marvel's thoughts and certain writers/fans thoughts are different, I want to see where Cap is superhuman, all heroes do feats.

How r u. Spidey ftw

Spidey should win this fight. Cap has no real advantages other than skill. I'm not sure that is enough.

Originally posted by Soljer

And, HELL NO, I'm not with Alfheim. That kid's a Cap fanboy to the Nth degree. All I'm arguing is that Cap is plenty fast enough to keep up with Spidey, and has the skills to put him down, even if he lacks the strength.

Are you trying to piss me off you ****ing moron? This coming from the guy who cant read scans. He sees scans of Mk fighting the Punisher and all of a sudden the guy cant read scans.....hes like duhhhh "Thats Frank Castle using brutality not martial arts skill." Eventhough their fighting exactly the same and im a ****ing hypocrite. I guess im just not a big enough ***hole.

****ing hypocrite.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Noone thinks he's superhuman but you...

Thats not true for starters

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

it still hasn't been listed anywhere, your comparison to research isn't the same since that is upgraded and is a living organism and not a manmade creation. Like Capt.

Not sure what you're talking about here, if you are refering to my stag beetle example this is what I have to say. My comparison to research in principle is the same. What you are doing is finding differences when there shouldnt be any. Its like if you wanted to do alot homework for example and I said to you "A journey of a thousand mile begins with the first step." and you said well thats different im doing homework you're talking about walking.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Marvel's thoughts and certain writers/fans thoughts are different, I want to see where Cap is superhuman, all heroes do feats.

I could understand why you might not want to take fans thoughts but I would have thought that writers thoughts counts as evidence. According to you're logic then alot of Namors feats and battles are PIS as well because he was listed as 85 tons for a long time, right?

Originally posted by marvelprince

So basically Sol your with Alf in that Cap isn't the pinnacle of human perfection, but that he's a bonafide super human with super strength to grapple the Hulk, durability to shrug off multiple ton-punches and superior speed?

Whats wrong with you didnt I explain that?

Originally posted by Alfheim
No technique and speed.

Where in the above statement does it say superhuman strength? I belive Cap has superhuman strength but thats was not why he was able to grapple the Hulk I explained that.....cant you read? Why are you putting words into my mouth.

Well well, i see this is getting a little out of hand.

edit

What you mean to tell me according to Marvel Universe superhuman strength starts at 800lbs.... 😕

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8641/page050ls6.jpg

According to this then Cap is superhuman. Its crap but thats what it says.

so what are we discussing here? i mean, the debate still can't be going on. 😐

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Originally posted by NiñoAraña
so what are we discussing here? i mean, the debate [b]still can't be going on. 😐 [/B]

Well I think Spiderman wins 7/10. I dont know why we are still debating really.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are you trying to piss me off you ****ing moron? This coming from the guy who cant read scans. He sees scans of Mk fighting the Punisher and all of a sudden the guy cant read scans.....hes like duhhhh "Thats Frank Castle using brutality not martial arts skill." Eventhough their fighting exactly the same and im a ****ing hypocrite. I guess im just not a big enough ***hole.

****ing hypocrite.

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Allow me to amend my statement. He's a Cap AND a Punisher fanboy to the Nth degree.

Originally posted by Soljer
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Allow me to amend my statement. He's a Cap AND a Punisher fanboy to the Nth degree.

Originally posted by Alfheim
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Hm? You have a problem with me? Take it to the PMs, kiddo. No need to clutter up this thread anymore than it already has been.

Originally posted by Soljer
Take it to the PMs, kiddo.

Is that really gonna make a difference? I could try.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whats wrong with you didnt I explain that?

If you did then it wasn't a good explanation. If it was I wouldn't have to ask again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Where in the above statement does it say superhuman strength? I belive Cap has superhuman strength but thats was not why he was able to grapple the Hulk I explained that.....cant you read? Why are you putting words into my mouth.

Not in that statement but like you said you alluded to it many many times.

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
so what are we discussing here? i mean, the debate [b]still can't be going on. 😐 [/B]

Course it can. You've never just argued for agruing sake?

Originally posted by marvelprince
If you did then it wasn't a good explanation. If it was I wouldn't have to ask again.

That sounds like an excuse to me. You ask me does Cap have superhuman strength to grapple the hulk and I say.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No technique and speed.

Excuses?

Originally posted by marvelprince

Not in that statement

Exactly.

Originally posted by marvelprince

but like you said you alluded to it many many times.

Alluded to what? Again sounds like excuses you asked me a question I responded with a statement which clearly states that he doesnt have superhuman strength to tackle the Hulk. You then make a statement implying I did. Excuses? Its simple seems like your trying to go off on a tangent.