cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes, I want proof. I think that if Spidey wants to create a webstream that engulfs a wide area, he has to stand still and focus. This is eminently logical because that's how it is in all the scans. It's somewhat similar to the way Cyclops needs to stand still and focus for a wideshot effect or even a megablast. Your own scans support my assertion.

Prove it's wrong with scans. You think that's so incredulous, than surely there must be a scan somewhere you can find. take yourself up to task. What I asked for makes perfect sense. Because if Spidey stands still while doing this 'spamming webbing' attack, then Cap will beat him to the punch figuratively by knocking him out with his faster shield toss.

And with regards to 'One More Day,' now you're just being ridiculous. How could his unibeam not have time to hit Spiderman? He shot it, the whole alley lit up and Spidey covered his eyes and yelled, "NNNNGGGHHH!!!!" Afterwards, Spidey resorted to his webbing. Are you saying that Ironman's unibeam blast was meant to incinerate Parker and was somehow so slow that Spidey had time to cover his eyes, say "NNNNGGGHHH!!!!" and then web Ironman, thus preventing the unibeam from ever reaching him? That's such a foolishly awful interpretation of this scan that I can only laugh at it. The unibeam fired off at maximum power for maximum luminosity. A maximum power unibeam in your eyes would probably incinerate Peter. Why would Stark want to incinerate Peter? It's obvious that the effect Stark was going for was to blind Parker. Not attack him. Ironman needed a good stall tactic for his armor to reboot and repulsors to come back on line. Any other interpretation that involves either a unibeam's laser travelling less than 4 feet in the time that Spidey can cover his eyes, scream, "NNNNGGGHHH!!!" and let his webbing loose is ridiculous:

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49053143np9.jpg

He doesn't have to focus to shoot webbing, where do you get he has to do so, even in the scan I posted his spider sense goes off and he quickly spams webbing before the vampires can reach him, I don't see how that shows him focusing. Your Cyclops analogy doesn't really work since he is using his own energy while Spiderman is just pushing a switch on his web shooters, why would he need to focus?

Just because I don't have scans of him jumping while he's shooting a lot a webbing doesn't mean he can't, since in those scans jumping wouldn't make any sense, nor does it show him bracing or focusing to shoot out the webbing.

Here it describes how he can control the consistency with simply tapping on the triggers, I'm not sure where you got he needs to focus. http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6149/feat39equipmenthx2.jpg

Here he wraps up monsters with loads of webbing, again not sure where he seems to be focusing. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg

He can make parachutes, shields, web balls, statues, and clothes with his webbing, he does not need to focus simply to shoot a lot of webbing out at one time. If he can jump and shoot strands of webbing, which he can, then he can jump and spam webbing.

And I assume IM shot the Uni beam as an attack since I've never seen it used any other way, and if I remember correctly he shot it again to get out of the webbing.

Originally posted by Mindset
He doesn't have to focus to shoot webbing, where do you get he has to do so, even in the scan I posted his spider sense goes off and he quickly spams webbing before the vampires can reach him, I don't see how that shows him focusing. Your Cyclops analogy doesn't really work since he is using his own energy while Spiderman is just pushing a switch on his web shooters, why would he need to focus?

Just because I don't have scans of him jumping while he's shooting a lot a webbing doesn't mean he can, since in those scans jumping wouldn't make any sense, nor does it show him bracing or focusing to shoot out the webbing.

Here it describes how he can control the consistency with simply tapping on the triggers, I'm not sure where you got he needs to focus. http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6149/feat39equipmenthx2.jpg

Here he wraps up monsters with loads of webbing, again not sure where he seems to be focusing. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg

He can make parachutes, shields, web balls, statues, and clothes with his webbing, he does not need to focus simply to shoot a lot of webbing out at one time. If he can jump and shoot strands of webbing, which he can, then he can jump and spam webbing.

And I assume IM shot the Uni beam as an attack since I've never seen it used any other way, and if I remember correctly he shot it again to get out of the webbing.

His repulsor beams came back online. I'm pretty sure that's how he got out of the webs afterwards. Your reading of the 'One More Day' fight is off. A full power beam used as an attack would probably incinerate Peter. Why would Stark want to incinerate Peter? Full power probably meant maximum intensity as a light discharge. It's the simplest explanation. I've seen Ironman use it before as a searchlight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Webbing takes technique. Shooting streams is the easiest method. I've seen him make small parachutes and small shields and web balls on the fly. I've never seen him engulf a large area with webbing unless he was standing still. I interpret that as meaning that he needs to focus on his technique. Surely shooting regular streams and little things like web balls involve much less technique and time then engulfing a wide area. If you want to believe he can do it just as fast, if not faster, than you must concede that it takes more technique. Which involves focus. So just show me a scan where he's doing anything but standing still while webbing this huge area up. That's it. If you can't, then I won't concede. You won't argue it out of me, since I see the scans where he's standing still.

His repulsor beams came back online. I'm pretty sure that's how he got out of the webs afterwards. Your reading of the 'One More Day' fight is off. A full power beam used as an attack would probably incinerate Peter. Why would Stark want to incinerate Peter? Full power probably meant maximum intensity as a light discharge. It's the simplest explanation. I've seen Ironman use it before as a searchlight.

I just showed you a scan where Peter says he can easily change the consistency of the webbing, which is how he is able to spam the webbing, because he shoots wide streams.

I also showed you a scan where he is swinging and engulfs a group of monsters in webbing, did you even look at the scans?

I can't get the actual page from the comic, but it sure looks like he shot his Uni beam to free himself to me.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/006-007.jpg

spidey's 40 times faster than a normal person:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2269/feat37agilityspeedmx2.jpg

he's far faster without spider-sense coming into play. he's many times stronger and durable, and he has long ranged attacks. there's no way spidey should be losing to steve rogers.......ever. he'd win fairly easily if he didn't have spider-sense. with it, this should be a walk in the park.

It should be but writers will always find a way to give Rogers the victory.

yeah. that sucks.

Without CIS/PIS, Spiderman omfgwtfpwns Cap 9.5/10

Have you guys seen that other Cap vs Spider-Man thread (I think it's Spider-Man sans webbing)? IIRC, Cap beats Spider-Man rather decisively in 4 separate bouts, due to superior skill (including knowledge of pressure points) and how Spidey fights.

I'm still reeling from it. I've always thought Spider-Man should be able to beat Cap. I still do, but it's hard to argue with 4 separate bouts (1, maybe 2, you could rationalize away as PIS...but 4?).

Given the above: would webbing make so much of a difference? Considering how good Cap is with his shield, I just don't know anymore.

Well see this is a battle where logic has nothing to do with it. It's comics, and if we are going to compare these 2 COMIC book characters, then Cap wins.

Cap's strength doesn't lie in his stats. It's in his accomplishments. The man is a beast of all beast, a walking Nuke. Sure Spidey is faster, and stronger. But he just isnt going to beat Cap, because Cap symbolizes humanity and its power to always persevere, and never give up.

Spidey has what it takes to put Cap down, sure, but..... he doesn't have what it takes to put Cap down.

Cap wins.

spidey would kill him........if he'd actually fight him seriously.......and if cap is displayed reasonably.

cap has nothing on him......except skill.......and that's not going to save his life.

Originally posted by namorsubby
spidey would kill him........if he'd actually fight him seriously.......and if cap is displayed reasonably.

cap has nothing on him......except skill.......and that's not going to save his life.

cap is outclassed vastly. skills won't do jack when someone moves over 10 times faster than you and has a sense to tell you what you're gonna do anyway. spidey could logically take cap's head off with one half-strength punch. 5 tons to the head is an instant death......for cap.all he'd have to do is hit him once, hard. there's no way cap should be winning.

Originally posted by namorsubby
cap is outclassed vastly. skills won't do jack when someone moves over 10 times faster than you and has a sense to tell you what you're gonna do anyway. spidey could logically take cap's head off with one [b]half-strength punch. 5 tons to the head is an instant death......for cap.all he'd have to do is hit him once, hard. there's no way cap should be winning. [/B]

if you're saying cap can take 5 tons to the face and is on par or even close to spidey in speed/agility, i guess we're done here.

Spider-man win against Cap. 8/10

Even with Cap fighting experience, Spider-man has experiences as well, been fighting crime for sometime to build his name you know....

Spiderman is much quicker/stronger then Cap. There is no way your arguing out of this.

Cap know Spiderman movements? Spiderman just reacts to what ever Cap dishes out. Spiderman reaction compare to Cap is what make Spiderman unique.

Spider Sense's ability can also warn him of incoming projectiles like Cap shield when fighting Cap* 😮 WHAT FVCKING NEXT? BATMAN CAN WIN TOO? no prep

Originally posted by namorsubby
if you're saying cap can take 5 tons to the face and is on par or even close to spidey in speed/agility, i guess we're done here.

Say it with me now... "URRRK!"

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so now cap can endure punches from namor and ironman?

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one 10 ton hit would take cap's head clean off.......and you'd have to be crazy to believe that spider-man couldn't get one good hit on captain america. spidey dominates this fight. cap logically has nothing.........nothing but the comic company's backing due to a their belief in "american spirit"

Originally posted by namorsubby
so now cap can endure punches from namor and ironman?

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Originally posted by namorsubby
one 10 ton hit would take cap's head clean off.......and you'd have to be crazy to believe that spider-man couldn't get [b]one good hit on captain america. spidey dominates this fight. cap logically has nothing.........nothing but the comic company's backing due to a their belief in "american spirit" [/B]

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