cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I only mentioned the webstream dodging in the context of regular webbing. I know Spidey can spam webbing over a wide area in a short amount of time. But is it faster than a shield toss to collapse it back onto Spidey? Cap's shield toss has caught up to launched rockets with sufficient force to break shackles. It's beaten bullets to their targets. It's damned fast.

Besides, even if Cap didn't want to get all fancy-schmancy by turning Spidey's own tactics onto himself, Cap could probably dodge it. If Black Panther can dodge a webnet, I should think Cap could as well:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6903/webbingshredvf2.jpg

I didn't mean a little net, I meant something like this.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1548/feat14speedequipmentep6.jpg
or
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
I didn't mean a little net, I meant something like this.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1548/feat14speedequipmentep6.jpg
or
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
K. And Cap still throws his shield to collapse something as wide as those examples back onto Spidey. In fact, the wider it is, the easier it'll be for Cap to collapse it back and the harder it will be for Spidey to subsequently dodge it.

Really, and when has Cap ever done this, or anyone else?

How does Cap collapse something that sticks to all the surrounding area?

Originally posted by Mindset
Really, and when has Cap ever done this, or anyone else?

How does Cap collapse something that sticks to all the surrounding area?

Because if Spidey is trying to engulf him inside a webnet, the webnet shouldn't be sticking to anything yet. If it was sticking onto something, like those two lamp posts in your scans, it would be stationary somewhere and wouldn't be moving and would have no chance of engulfing Cap.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When has Cap ever folded a piece of paper with his bare hands in a comic? I've never seen him do it. Guess he can't do it then. Sarcasm aside, why wouldn't it work? The webbing may have extraordinary tensile strength, but isn't as heavy as a ton of steel. A shield toss would make it fold back onto itself if it's flying in the air and hasn't stuck onto anything yet.

Because if Spidey is trying to engulf him inside a webnet, the webnet shouldn't be sticking to anything yet. If it was sticking onto something, like those two lamp posts in your scans, it would be stationary somewhere and wouldn't be moving and would have no chance of engulfing Cap.

That's the problem, you are still talking about a webnet, spamming webbing =/= webnet. 😬

Also his webs stop missiles and bullets.

bullets and missiles = Caps shield?

🤨

Originally posted by jinzin
bullets and missiles = Caps shield?

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Cap's shield would be able to push back the webbing because of it's speed, so yes, in this example bullets and missiles are similar to Cap's shield.

Too bad BND messed everything up, or I could use Spiderman webbing IM up in a fraction of a second.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's the problem, you are still talking about a webnet, spamming webbing =/= webnet. 😬

Also his webs stop missiles and bullets.

His webbing would stop missiles, bullets and Cap's shield if it was tethered down to something and formed a barrier net. But if his webbing were flying in midair in the form of a webnet, it would collapse on itself given the lightweight nature of the webbing. But apparently, you're referring to something else called "spamming webbing." I still don't understand what you're referring to.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap's shield would be able to push back the webbing because of it's speed, so yes, in this example bullets and missiles are similar to Cap's shield.

Too bad BND messed everything up, or I could use Spiderman webbing IM up in a fraction of a second.

And I still think Spiderman could do what he did to Iron Man, regardless of whether the webbing is internal or from his webshooters. But Cap would dodge such a focused webstream attack as he's demonstrated in the past. So what difference does it make if he could do that kind of attack?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wait, what? We already talked about how Spiderman tried multiple web streams during their 'Civil War' fight. So I know you can't mean that is what you think of as "spamming webbing." And apparently the webnet in the Black Panther scan isn't what you consider "spamming webbing." And I already went over how the webbing in your scans are tethered to objects and wouldn't be able to engulf Cap simply because they don't move. So what exactly are you referring to when you mention "spamming webbing?"

His webbing would stop missiles, bullets and Cap's shield if it was tethered down to something and formed a barrier net. But if his webbing were flying in midair in the form of a webnet, it would collapse on itself given the lightweight nature of the webbing. But apparently, you're referring to something else called "spamming webbing." I still don't understand what you're referring to.
Exactly.

And I still think Spiderman could do what he did to Iron Man, regardless of whether the webbing is internal or from his webshooters. But Cap would dodge such a focused webstream attack as he's demonstrated in the past. So what difference does it make if he could do that kind of attack?

This is spamming.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat25equipment2ht3.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat11equipmentpm8-1.jpg

And this is what I was talking about when I said the shield couldn't stop it, not a net. But the force the webbing is shot out can stop missiles. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat32speedequipmentah2.jpg

And you think Cap can dodge the webbing, but Extremis IM couldn't? Spiderman never shot webbing like that at Cap before, not during there fight in Civil War, and not before it.

You seem to think Spiderman can only either make a small focused stream, or a huge cumbersome net.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6903/webbingshredvf2.jpg

My man 😄

Originally posted by Mindset
This is spamming.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat25equipment2ht3.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat11equipmentpm8-1.jpg

And this is what I was talking about when I said the shield couldn't stop it, not a net. But the force the webbing is shot out can stop missiles. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/feat32speedequipmentah2.jpg

And you think Cap can dodge the webbing, but Extremis IM couldn't? Spiderman never shot webbing like that at Cap before, not during there fight in Civil War, and not before it.

You seem to think Spiderman can only either make a small focused stream, or a huge cumbersome net.

They last thing CA wants to do is throw his shield. If he does then he would be shieldless.
Spidey wins 10000/10

Originally posted by h1a8
They last thing CA wants to do is throw his shield. If he does then he would be shieldless.
Spidey wins 10000/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He could still dodge those. Or he'd throw his shield and clonk him in the head faster than the webbing would trap him. So? In 'One More Day,' Extremis Iron Man's footjets were clogged by webs. His repulsor blast panels on his hand were burned out. He wasn't exactly the most mobile at the time, nor did he have his main weapons available to take out Spiderman. All he had was his chest's solar light ray, if I remember correctly.

Throwing his shield wont do anything, people always bring up there fights to show what wont work on Cap that Spidey does, well what wont work for Cap is him throwing his shield and hitting Spiderman. Spiderman will dodge his shield like he did in Civil War, then Cap will be without his shield and in an even worse situation. Either that or his shield will just get caught by the webbing.

And I don't remember what happened before his webbing up IM, but if he is able to engulf Tony in webbing before his uni beam was shot off I'm sure that would be fast enough to at the very least partially hit Cap.

Originally posted by Mindset
Throwing his shield wont do anything, people always bring up there fights to show what wont work on Cap that Spidey does, well what wont work for Cap is him throwing his shield and hitting Spiderman. Spiderman will dodge his shield like he did in Civil War, then Cap will be without his shield and in an even worse situation. Either that or his shield will just get caught by the webbing.

And I don't remember what happened before his webbing up IM, but if he is able to engulf Tony in flames before his uni beam was shot off I'm sure that would be fast enough to at the very least partially hit Cap.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Mindset
Throwing his shield wont do anything, people always bring up there fights to show what wont work on Cap that Spidey does, well what wont work for Cap is him throwing his shield and hitting Spiderman. Spiderman will dodge his shield like he did in Civil War, then Cap will be without his shield and in an even worse situation. Either that or his shield will just get caught by the webbing.

And I don't remember what happened before his webbing up IM, but if he is able to engulf Tony in webbing before his uni beam was shot off I'm sure that would be fast enough to at the very least partially hit Cap.

Which, as I need to remind you, Iron Man really had none of in their 'One More Day' fight. The reason why Iron Man's hand panels were burned out was because he had to use them to break their fall from the sky. Spiderman had webbed shut his footjets and sent them both tumbling from the air in a risky gambit. Either way, Iron Man shot the unibeam to blind Spiderman BEFORE Parker unloaded the web stream. If you remember, Spidey had his eyes shut because of the blinding light. The reason Stark did that was to buy some time and wait for his repulsors to recharge. You're remembering the scene slightly wrong:
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94256540sl1.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37763271vh4.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49053143np9.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89265593hs3.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fact is, every single scan you posted of him spamming webbing involves him standing still. So I do believe Cap would nail him quite squarely and much more easily if Spiderman were bracing himself while spamming webbing. The reason Spidey is able to dodge Cap's shield in the 'Civil War' fight is because he has complete freedom of movement.

Which, as I need to remind you, Iron Man really had none of in their 'One More Day' fight. The reason why Iron Man's hand panels were burned out was because he had to use them to break their fall from the sky. Spiderman had webbed shut his footjets. Either way, Iron Man shot the unibeam to blind Spiderman BEFORE Parker unloaded the web stream. If you remember, Spidey had his eyes shut because of the blinding light. The reason Stark did that was to buy some time and wait for his repulsors to recharge. You're remembering the scene slightly wrong...

So Spiderman has to be standing still to spam webbing, ok. 😐

His repulsors overheated, he tried to attack Peter with his uni beam, I don't know where you got he was trying to blind Peter until his repulsors cooled down.

Originally posted by Mindset
So Spiderman has to be standing still to spam webbing, ok. 😐

His repulsors overheated, he tried to attack Peter with his uni beam, I don't know where you got he was trying to blind Peter until his repulsors cooled down.

The unibeam was not a direct attack, it was just a distraction to blind him. Peter's clothing wasn't even affected in the slightest by the uni-beam. What makes you think Stark was using it to hurt him? Must have been a pretty wimpy attack, despite full discharge to not even singe his t-shirt...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Show me a scan where Spidey is jumping around the way he does while dodging Cap's shield AND spamming webbing in a wide area close to instantaneously. Parker doesn't have to be actually dodging Cap's shield in the scan, but he needs to be jumping about wildly while spamming his webbing. Otherwise, all your scans of him spamming webbing show him standing still and bracing himself from a stationary position. Even in the 'One More Day' Iron Man webbing feat. So yes, he appears to need to stand still to spam webbing over a wide area. The burden's on you to prove otherwise.

The unibeam was not a direct attack, it was just a distraction to blind him. Peter's clothing wasn't even affected in the slightest by the uni-beam. What makes you think Stark was using it to hurt him? Must have been a pretty wimpy attack, despite full discharge to not even singe his t-shirt...

Proof? You need me to show proof that Spiderman doesn't have to brace himself while spamming webbing? Since when did he have to brace himself to shoot webbing? 😐 If Spiderman can jump around and shoot webbing then he can spam it while jumping around, what you're asking for doesn't even make sense.

The attack didn't have time to hit him because Spiderman covered IM in webbing. When has the uni beam ever been showed to be anything besides an attack? Why would IM need to blind him to recharge his repulsors when he could just punch him? Where in that does it hint at him just trying to blind SM in an attempt to cool down his repulsors?

Yes, I want proof. I think that if Spidey wants to create a webstream that engulfs a wide area, he has to stand still and focus. This is eminently logical because that's how it is in all the scans. It's somewhat similar to the way Cyclops needs to stand still and focus for a wideshot effect or even a megablast. Your own scans support my assertion.

Prove it's wrong with scans. You think that's so incredulous, than surely there must be a scan somewhere you can find. take yourself up to task. What I asked for makes perfect sense. Because if Spidey stands still while doing this 'spamming webbing' attack, then Cap will beat him to the punch figuratively by knocking him out with his faster shield toss.

And with regards to 'One More Day,' now you're just being ridiculous. How could his unibeam not have time to hit Spiderman? He shot it, the whole alley lit up and Spidey covered his eyes and yelled, "NNNNGGGHHH!!!!" Afterwards, Spidey resorted to his webbing. Are you saying that Ironman's unibeam blast was meant to incinerate Parker and was somehow so slow that Spidey had time to cover his eyes, say "NNNNGGGHHH!!!!" and then web Ironman, thus preventing the unibeam from ever reaching him? That's such a foolishly awful interpretation of this scan that I can only laugh at it. The unibeam fired off at maximum power for maximum luminosity. A maximum power unibeam in your eyes would probably incinerate Peter. Why would Stark want to incinerate Peter? It's obvious that the effect Stark was going for was to blind Parker. Not attack him. Ironman needed a good stall tactic for his armor to reboot and repulsors to come back on line. Any other interpretation that involves either a unibeam's laser travelling less than 4 feet in the time that Spidey can cover his eyes, scream, "NNNNGGGHHH!!!" and let his webbing loose is ridiculous:

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49053143np9.jpg