Originally posted by Alfheim
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Is it against the rules, wanna stick to the subject.
Originally posted by AlfheimCommon knowledge.
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<Read. Comprehend. They are generally inaccurate. They are so with Namor. They are especially so with lesser known and less popular characters.>Prove it! Prove Marvel.com is inaccurate.
Originally posted by AlfheimShow me a fight where someone with the powers of Spider-Man uses them to their full against Captain America. Held back by personal character is CIS, held back by writers for sake of continuing story is PIS.
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<Show me a fight where someone with the powers of Spider-Man uses them to their full against Captain America. Held back by personal character is CIS, held back by writers for sake of continuing story is PIS.>Quote Soljer 1
<What of the Spidey-bot that Kang created? It had each and every one of Spider-man's powers. It matched Spiderman blow for blow. It then engaged Captain America in hand to hand and said "He's too Battle-wise, too Courageous, too dangerous! I'd be a fool to fight him on his terms!">This robot was trying to kill him right? Therefore not holding back
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<What about Cap facing down the Scorpion and Hyde at the same time? Scorpion again? >So what your trying to tell me is that Scorpion is not on the similar level as spidey, also on top of that he had to fight Mr Hyde too. Also where the scorpion and Mr Hyde holding back?
Give me a plausible means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
Hey didnt you just say earlier on that Iron Spidey could lift 20 tons how did you figure that out? Is it beacuse you read somewhere that he can lift 10 to 15 tons and now hes sightly stronger
Ok im sorry its not common knowledge that Marvel.com is inaccurate if you just sit there saying it. Im just taking your word for it and theres no proof. Are you going to give me any evidence?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotShow me a fight where someone with the powers of Spider-Man uses them to their full against Captain America. Held back by personal character is CIS, held back by writers for sake of continuing story is PIS.
Give me a plausible means by which Captain America wins? What does he do? [/B]
Didnt you read what I said? A robot trying to kill Cap with the same abilities as Spiderman isnt using their abilities to their full? Did I just not explain that the scorpion has similar abilities to Spiderman and Cap took on him and Mr Hyde, and they were trying to kill him.
What part of they were trying to kill him dont you understand?
So explain to me how the Namor respect thread proves that Marvel.com and handbooks are inaccurate.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot"They were trying to kill him" does not indicate they were to the best of their abilities.
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Ok let me get this straight, if somone is trying to kill you there not going to do everything they possibly can to kill you? Please explain the messed up logic.
Oh yes did you not say that Iron Spidey can lift 20 tons how did you figure that out?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Reading comprehension skills.Self-explanatory.
Elaborated on already.
The figure was arbitrary.
[b]Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
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No its not self explantory elaborate
What was elobarted on?
What figure is arbitary
xmarksthespot its a comic book!
and in a comic book peak humans and extrodinarily talented humans can do superhuman things eg Dr Doom does not have superhuman intelligence so how the hell does he build all that stuff.
xmarksthespot please answer these questions
Originally posted by Alfheim
So explain to me how the Namor respect thread proves that Marvel.com and handbooks are inaccurate.Ok let me get this straight, if somone is trying to kill you there not going to do everything they possibly can to kill you? Please explain the messed up logic.
Oh yes did you not say that Iron Spidey can lift 20 tons how did you figure that out?
Marvelprince please dont use the arguments hes a villain and hes going to lose argument again. So Cap is going to beat Thanos? No he isnt thank you very much.
Originally posted by AlfheimI've answered.
No its not self explantory elaborateWhat was elobarted on?
What figure is arbitary
xmarksthespot its a comic book!
and in a comic book peak humans and extrodinarily talented humans can do superhuman things eg Dr Doom does not have superhuman intelligence so how the hell does he build all that stuff.xmarksthespot please answer these questions
Marvelprince please dont use the arguments hes a villain and hes going to lose argument again. So Cap is going to beat Thanos? No he isnt thank you very much.
One should strive not to waste words.
Which is why it's somewhat irksome that I keep having to repeat:
Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
Frankly if that's not enough to draw attention to the question... I don't know what is.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Reading comprehension skills.Self-explanatory.
Elaborated on already.
The figure was arbitrary.
[b]Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
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Ok first of all you havent explained yourself properly. You have read the Namor respect thread and it proves that Marvel.com is not inaccurate. You have not explained why therfore I have to take your word for it, in other words not enough evidence.
Secondly are you trying to tell me that if somone is trying to kill somebody they are not at their full skill, that its self explantory? Again you have not explained yourself. Again I have to take your word for it
I still want to know where you got this 20 tons figure from, are just trying to tell me you got it out of thin air.
I have lready explained to you that eventhough people say Cap he is human he does superhuman feats frequently, how much more do I need to explain this to you.
Originally posted by jinzin
it makes perfect sense... his spider sense is an instinctive reflex... he reacts INSTINCTIVELY to his spider sense. A laser or bullet or whatever is going to have a linear pattern, once it begin's it's movement it will continue in that linear direction and keep going that way. Once spiderman dodges it he won't have to worry about it again... A human fighter who can "change it up" cap potentially outsmart his spider sense.. his body will react to one attack and depending on the reaction he'll be too helpless to stop another... akin to when daredevil was using his spider sense against him when he KOed spidey... hell even stegron has used spider sense against spiderman with his tail... other than that I feel soljer's reply to this subject was quite sufficient...
No, it still makes no sense.
See, the thing about PRECOG, is that it doesn't matter how many last-second changes are made. He will still know what is coming!
Linear pattern, angular pattern, zig-zag patter, polka-dotted pattern...it all matters not to someone who can, for all intents and purposes, see into the extremely near future.
If Cap went in for a right hook, pulled the punch only to come in with the left jab, Spidey would've first reacted to the potential right hook before it was even thrown. Then while the potential hook is in action, he would already see it as a fake and would've already reacted to the real left jab. It doesn't matter how many changes are made to someone who knows what attack is coming his way and where it will potentially hit.
Spidey 8-9/10. Iron or not.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Secondly are you trying to tell me that if somone is trying to kill somebody they are not at their full skill, that its self explantory? Again you have not explained yourself. Again I have to take your word for itI still want to know where you got this 20 tons figure from, are just trying to tell me you got it out of thin air.
Arg. It was a ROBOT. ROBOTS, no matter much they are blood-lusted, cannot think and react in the same way a PERSON can. For the most part, robots usually can't adapt to new situations quick enough to be efficient. People, on the other hand, can. So, trying to kill Cap or not, a Spidey-bot is not going to fight anywhere near as effectively as Spider-MAN.
And the 20 ton figure comes from his recent physical upgrade. Prior to this, Spidey had 15 ton strength. It was stated (somewhere in the comic during the "The Other" arc) that all of his physical attributes were upgraded slightly. 20 tons is an approximation made by general consensus.
Hell, Spidey's been shown, on multiple occassions at that, to be able to lift even more than 20 tons when the situation calls for it. I reccomend you check the Spidey Respect thread.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Show me a fight where someone with the powers of Spider-Man [b]uses them to their full against Captain America. Held back by personal character is CIS, held back by writers for sake of continuing story is PIS.[/B]
Holding back against a weaker character is jobbing, which may or may not be PIS. It sort of depends on the character. But holding back against an enemy who's more powerful than you, now that is (usually) CIS.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Marvelprince please dont use the arguments hes a villain and hes going to lose argument again. So Cap is going to beat Thanos? No he isnt thank you very much.
He sure as heck gave him a good fight though. I don't get you. You think that since Cap has some impressive feats that he's not just peak human. So basically your changing Cap's powerset in order to make him a better match. It really doesn't matter the extent or how extreme Cap's feats are it still remains that he is only the opitome of human, nothing more no matter how much you will it to be so. Spider-Man still trumps Cap in every imaginable category. Just to be clear do you really think Cap can match Spider-Man in physical stats, cause that seems to be your arguement. If you do then I see there's no point in trying to reason with you