cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm really not sure. He seems to get taken out often enough in comics, though. How does he get taken out when he DOES act like an idiot? Meh. Maybe he'll just give up 😛 .

Seriously though, I'm not about to argue FOR Captain America in the face of Iceman. Jesus. I've argued for Iceman often enough to know exactly what he's capable of.

But regardless.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The context of my original question was with regard to what happens in comics vs what happens in a standard conditions fight in the forum. Not what would happen in a forum fight "with stipulations" e.g.

I think Ben is highly underrated here. I mean, in the Superman/FF crossover, Ben had a great showing against Cyborg Supes, who is at least at Superman-level, but just so i dont do a repeat thread of everyone saying Ben would be dead in seconds im adding special stipulations to give Ben more of a chance. First, Superman cannot use his eye beams, speed blitz, or Ice Breath/Super Breath. Second, Superman has one hand tied behind his back by an 1rst-grade-adamantium Coil. Third, Superman cannot give Ben a ring out, such as punching or throwing him too far away from the fight to continue, and there is no using the Sun either to throw/hit Ben into. Fourth, Superman gives Ben 2 free shots to start off the fight, and Ben can use whatever he wants for those fights, such as dropping large things on him, hitting him with objects, etc. And finally, Ben gets 3 hours of prep time help with Reed while Superman gets a half-hour of prep time help with Bruce.

One can always apply stipulations. But that is not my question.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Even with CIS explain how Captain America beats Iceman. He's still just living water. 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which is why there's an element of PIS as well as CIS to Iceman fights too. He doesn't use the fullest of his capabilities because as explained he's still an immature f*cktard a lot, but then it's also because if he did there would be no plot. Same reason they shipped off Phoenix.

*agrees*

After all, who wants to see the Flash drag every baddy into the speed force in a single panel?

Who wants to see Iceman flash-freeze every foe in a single panel?

Originally posted by jinzin
then you shouldn't have used terrible examples based on said circumstances to make a point. i feel my last reply to you was quite sufficient.. read it.

i thought the iceman example came from infinity crusade.. 😕 long before the living water gimmick.. my bad.. i mean the molecule thing... nevermind.

When he came at her she wasn't fighting to the best of her abilities.

Seriously, what circumstances would let Deathstroke stab the Flash when the Flash has been shown to save the population of a Korean city in three panels.

He wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities.

What is it called when "circumstances" dictate a character doesn't fight to the best of their abilities?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What are the circumstances behind WW being able to hold off half the JLA and being said to adjust to Flash's speed, then being hit by Batman? Then subsequently being shown to deflect a bullet from close range. And having been shown to be able to deflect bullets from all directions from machinegun fire encircling her from a foot away?

When he came at her she wasn't fighting to the best of her abilities.

Seriously, what circumstances would let Deathstroke stab the Flash when the Flash has been shown to save the population of a Korean city in three panels.

He wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities.

What is it called when "circumstances" dictate a character doesn't fight to the best of their abilities?

speed of mercury.. she hardly ever has to use it but she has it. Doesn't make her as fast but certainly fast enough to react to him incoming...
batman..holding back for a friend perhaps?
speed of mercury.. again...

the fact that he had prep and his brain capacity allows for enough correct calculation of something to make people believe he has precog.. 😕

even if he looked like a statue to flash the sword was hidden under his arm compensating to hit falsh head on with it, flash wouldn't even notice the sword there were it to be positioned right.. it was.. and who's to say flash was going all out again?

depends on what those circumstances are.. in these particular examples.. friendship and prep... again.. bad examples.

Wow this has become Flash vs Deathstroke.

Go xmark!!!

Haha, thats because the actual debate kinda ended. It was more or less resolved.

Originally posted by jinzin
speed of mercury.. she hardly ever has to use it but she has it. Doesn't make her as fast but certainly fast enough to react to him incoming...
batman..holding back for a friend perhaps?
speed of mercury.. again...

the fact that he had prep and his brain capacity allows for enough correct calculation of something to make people believe he has precog.. 😕

even if he looked like a statue to flash the sword was hidden under his arm compensating to hit falsh head on with it, flash wouldn't even notice the sword there were it to be positioned right.. it was.. and who's to say flash was going all out again?

depends on what those circumstances are.. in these particular examples.. friendship and prep... again.. bad examples.

I haven't read the arc for ages is that what happened. Flash doesn't have the reaction speed to stop as soon as he notices the sword?

The point is they weren't going all out. That was my point. 😐

That which you want to refer to as "circumstance" when characters do not perform to the best of their abilities to advance a storyline or make a weaker character look like a challenge, I consider PIS - because that is how PIS is defined.

dude.. you asked if these things could happen again.... since every event was a circumstantial one they are bad examples of how to draw pis...

PIS should be circumstance free or it's just subject to plot device... plot devices being involved doesn't dictate them to be "stupid".

Again i feel my answer using the wolverine example is sufficient enough... your examples are not free of circumstance so they are subject to circumstance.. could they happen in a vs. forum fight? probably not... obviously... because in a vs. forum fight the circumstances which allowed the events to happen in the first place have been taken away... is that simpler to understand?

Cap 100/10. 😐

Originally posted by batdude123
Cap 100/10. 😐

*rolls eyes* You are making a fool of no one but yourself, friend.

Originally posted by Soljer
*rolls eyes* You are making a fool of no one but yourself, friend.

What are you talking about? Cap knocked Namor out. He fought well against King Thor!!! Cap wins. 🥷

Originally posted by batdude123
What are you talking about? Cap knocked Namor out. He fought well against King Thor!!! Cap wins. 🥷

*sigh*

It is a shame for me to see a poster whom I respected and agreed with so often in the past make such an ass of himself in the present.

Originally posted by Soljer
*sigh*

It is a shame for me to see a poster whom I respected and agreed with so often in the past make such an ass of himself in the present.

And it's sad to see that somebody can't take a JOKE! 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
And it's sad to see that somebody can't take a JOKE! 😛

I can take jokes when they are humorous.

The Cap vs. Wonder Woman thread was funny. Randomly posting stupid, sarcastic shit in a thread that was otherwise, a fairly friendly, fun, interesting debate...however, is not.

Originally posted by Soljer
I can take jokes when they are humorous.

The Cap vs. Wonder Woman thread was funny. Randomly posting stupid, sarcastic shit in a thread that was otherwise, a fairly friendly, fun, interesting debate...however, is not.

Um... okay. 🤨 I guess it's time to get down to SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE!!!!! 🙄

Lighten up! 😄 💃 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
Um... okay. 🤨 I guess it's time to get down to SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE!!!!! 🙄

Lighten up! 😄 💃 😛

Mehhhh, I'm just being a dick. Has nothing to do with you, or the thread, Batdude. Sorry I started taking out my bad mood on you.

Originally posted by Soljer
*sigh*

It is a shame for me to see a poster whom I respected and agreed with so often in the past make such an ass of himself in the present.

Originally posted by Soljer
*sigh*

It is a shame for me to see a poster whom I respected and agreed with so often in the past make such an ass of himself in the present.

Originally posted by Skeets
That's sounds like me...ermm

What do you mean?