cap vs spider-man

ah you have this 40 tons from marveldirectory.
The problem is that it is outdated. Newer books
say he can lift more than that, of course if Namor stays for longer time out of the water his strength will decrease and can surely come to the levels of 40 tons. But it would take some time.

But fresh out the water he remains class 100 for a while.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Do you have problems dissociating unrelated ideas. I've said several times Deathstroke/Flash is given simply as an example of PIS, I am not referring to Captain America in any way. 😐

Are you saying Namor beating Captain America is bad writing?
Take into account both of their abilities.
Do you think Captain America can win against the Hulk? Do you think he can beat Wonder Woman?

For one thing even in Handbooks Namor has always been cl85 at least as long as I've seen them. For another numerous feats of his strength he has shown don't involve the weakening of an opponent in order to prolong the plot - the qualifier for PIS. Your point is moot.

7th or 8th time now at least:
Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?

I just looked at the Spider-bot fight... BS abounds on all sides... and even then Captain America still lost. Spider-bot knocks down Thor and then webs him up... 🤨 And then yet having done that he says in his mind he can't beat Captain America h2h... 🤨 And then webs up his face and knocks him away... 🤨 Sorry but where was the part where Captain America wins there?

Arahan answer the question....how do you know he can lift more than 40 tons?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well for starters he is not more intelligent, especially not in combat. In terms of reflexes and speed he is not much faster than cap. As said before Beast said that Cap was almost as fast he was and Beast is similar Speed to Spidey. The fact that has a long range attack dont mean a damn thing if Cap is slightly slower than Spidey and know him real well he can anticipate what he going to do. The only thing that he surpases Cap in is strength and maybe he could use the stealth mode to suprise him.

So basically Spidey is only far superior in strength but Cap is far superior in fighting skills so Cap could still win.

Arg. ❌

Agility:
Spider-Man>>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Intelligence:
Beast>>>Spider-Man>>>>>Cap.

Reflexes:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Speed:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Strength:
Spider-Man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beast>>>>Cap.

Resourcefullness/Quick thinking on the fly:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Durabilty:
Spider-Man>>>>Beast>>>>>Cap.

Precog:
Spider-Man

Webbing capable of EASILY holding Cap:
Spider-Man

Fighting skills:
Cap>>Spider-Man>>>>Beast.

I am getting really tired of this debate.

Spider-Man, even without his Iron costume, wins against Captain America 8/10 times. Cap puts up a decent fight, but that's all he does.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're a little new to be getting uppity.

Whatever

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you have problems dissociating unrelated ideas. I've said several times Deathstroke/Flash is given simply as an example of PIS, I am not referring to Captain America in any way. 😐
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Then dont mention it then if its not related...duh

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Are you saying Namor beating Captain America is bad writing?
Take into account both of their abilities.
Do you think Captain America can win against the Hulk? Do you think he can beat Wonder Woman?
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My point is you know what characters can do by reading the comics.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
7th or 8th time now at least:
Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
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Well for starters he is not more intelligent, especially not in combat. In terms of reflexes and speed he is not much faster than cap. As said before Beast said that Cap was almost as fast he was and Beast is similar Speed to Spidey. The fact that has a long range attack dont mean a damn thing if Cap is slightly slower than Spidey and know him real well he can anticipate what he going to do. The only thing that he surpases Cap in is strength and maybe he could use the stealth mode to suprise him.

Cant you read!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I just looked at the Spider-bot fight... BS abounds on all sides... and even then Captain America still lost. Spider-bot knocks down Thor and then webs him up... 🤨 And then yet having done that he says in his mind he can't beat Captain America h2h... 🤨 And then webs up his face and knocks him away... 🤨 Sorry but where was the part where Captain America wins there? [/B]

Ok I will go with that but since that time Cap has obvoulsy become a a better fighter, and the robot said he cant beat Cap in H2H so if Cap has got better that will be Spideys weakness.

One could also argue that since he has fought villains on Spideys level he could pull a win.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Arg. ❌

Agility:
Spider-Man>>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Intelligence:
Beast>>>Spider-Man>>>>>Cap.

Reflexes:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Speed:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Strength:
Spider-Man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beast>>>>Cap.

Resourcefullness/Quick thinking on the fly:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Durabilty:
Spider-Man>>>>Beast>>>>>Cap.

Precog:
Spider-Man

Webbing capable of EASILY holding Cap:
Spider-Man

Fighting skills:
Cap>>Spider-Man>>>>Beast.

I am getting really tired of this debate.

Spider-Man, even without his Iron costume, wins against Captain America 8/10 times. Cap puts up a decent fight, but that's all he does.

Ok i'll go with that.

Well dont agree with all of it but i'll settle for a decent fight

Originally posted by Alfheim
One could also argue that since he has fought villains on Spideys level he could pull a win.

This:

Well for starters he is not more intelligent, especially not in combat. In terms of reflexes and speed he is not much faster than cap. As said before Beast said that Cap was almost as fast he was and Beast is similar Speed to Spidey. The fact that has a long range attack dont mean a damn thing if Cap is slightly slower than Spidey and know him real well he can anticipate what he going to do. The only thing that he surpases Cap in is strength and maybe he could use the stealth mode to suprise him.

What does he do?

Cap puts up a decent fight..anymore bidders please!

xmarksthespot I dont even know what the your talking about now.....anwyay how did we come to the conclusion that iceman can beat Cap?

What did people do.

to prove their point.

They referred to the fact that Iceman is a consciousness capable of inhabiting ambient water in all it's forms. That he's a hydrokinetic capable of controlling water in all it's forms, and a thermokinetic able to lower temperatures to absolute zero by halting molecular motion. That he cannot be physically harmed for all intents and purposes as he can survive atomization, and can reform from ambient water. That he can instantly dessicate an opponent drawing water out from within a person. That he can teleport through bodies of water. That he can use a technique called molecular moisture inversion, turning an opponent or parts of an opponent into water.

They looked at both characters abilities and regardless that Iceman got "his ass handed to him" once in a poorly written fight that Captain America is ludicrously outclassed.

Oh, and Scarlet Witch was in no way distracting Iceman. 🙂

xmarkspot but my point is this you know this by reading the comic.

The Iceman of the Inifnity Crusade was he as powerful as he is now?

Look this was my thinking if you can see the stuff he can do now...wow!

But my problem is this why couldnt Cap dodge Icemans attacks, I mean he can dodge lasers and bullets, but when I saw him flash freeze a whole mansion within seconds...damn..is this something he regularly does?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They referred to the fact that Iceman is a consciousness capable of inhabiting ambient water in all it's forms. That he's a hydrokinetic capable of controlling water in all it's forms, and a thermokinetic able to lower temperatures to absolute zero by halting molecular motion. That he cannot be physically harmed for all intents and purposes as he can survive atomization, and can reform from ambient water. That he can instantly dessicate an opponent drawing water out from within a person. That he can teleport through bodies of water. That he can use a technique called molecular moisture inversion, turning an opponent or parts of an opponent into water.

They looked at both characters abilities and regardless that Iceman got "his ass handed to him" once in a poorly written fight that Captain America is ludicrously outclassed.

Oh, and Scarlet Witch was in no way distracting Iceman. 🙂

Yeah ok you win, but thats far removed from Spidey Vs Cap.

Im not taking any less than Cap would put up a decent fight with Spidey...

Ok you know what I think I see what your getting at xmarksthespot im going to mull it over, this may not be a case of right and wrong but perspective.

People will disagree it is the nature of the forums. However imo while comics knowledge is the base of the pizza that is this forum, unless you top it by applying logic and common sense. It tastes like crap.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Arg. ❌

Agility:
Spider-Man>>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Intelligence:
Beast>>>Spider-Man>>>>>Cap.

Reflexes:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Speed:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Strength:
Spider-Man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beast>>>>Cap.

Resourcefullness/Quick thinking on the fly:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Durabilty:
Spider-Man>>>>Beast>>>>>Cap.

Precog:
Spider-Man

Webbing capable of EASILY holding Cap:
Spider-Man

Fighting skills:
Cap>>Spider-Man>>>>Beast.

I am getting really tired of this debate.

Spider-Man, even without his Iron costume, wins against Captain America 8/10 times. Cap puts up a decent fight, but that's all he does.

Aww, and I thought that we had all reached such a good place together! Mehhh.

For now there isn't much for me to come back and debate. It's mostly the exact same things, all over again. Shall this be the next Spiderman vs. Wolverine?

Hey, Alfheim, this is for you to see. Reasons why Cap would be easily punked.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1345/1553tm.jpg

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Amazing_Spider-Man_32-03.jpg

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spectacular_7.jpg

Amaster martial artist with other physical enhancements, as well as poison-tipped claws, so Spidey couldn't even get scratched once:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/385/18522nh.jpg

Why won't Cap's punches hurt? Oh yea...:
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfg6fs.jpg

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1711/128jy.jpg

Too fast:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6592/bio0010pn.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4319/bio0024js.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6906/bio0058en.jpg

Too strong:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9596/train5kv.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_07.jpg

Why Cap couldn't avoid the webbing if Spidey REALLY wanted him webbed up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_08.jpg

And, if I get bored here at work, I'll find some more. But I just hope you check all these out, Alfheim.

🤘

Originally posted by Soljer
Aww, and I thought that we had all reached such a good place together! Mehhh.

For now there isn't much for me to come back and debate. It's mostly the exact same things, all over again. Shall this be the next Spiderman vs. Wolverine?

We did though. I don't believe it's a COMPLETE curbstomping. Cap puts up a decent fight, but still gets his ass handed to him when Spidey stops messing around.

I feel bad cuz I really do like Cap, but on these forums he's (for the most part) pit against too many opponents who greatly outclass him. 😬