cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hey, Alfheim, this is for you to see. Reasons why Cap would be easily punked.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1345/1553tm.jpg

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Amazing_Spider-Man_32-03.jpg

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spectacular_7.jpg

Amaster martial artist with other physical enhancements, as well as poison-tipped claws, so Spidey couldn't even get scratched once:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/385/18522nh.jpg

Why won't Cap's punches hurt? Oh yea...:
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dfg6fs.jpg

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1711/128jy.jpg

Too fast:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6592/bio0010pn.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4319/bio0024js.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6906/bio0058en.jpg

Too strong:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9596/train5kv.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_07.jpg

Why Cap couldn't avoid the webbing if Spidey REALLY wanted him webbed up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Deadpool/Building/Building_08.jpg

And, if I get bored here at work, I'll find some more. But I just hope you check all these out, Alfheim.

🤘

rockon

cap beats on spidey in his OWN comic book, and its still considered CIS.....this is just rediculous

Ive decided I might comeback to this thread something like 2 weeks from now after reading,EVERYTHING. The thing is sometimes these threads move so fast and its hard to keep up.

I think sometimes my sentence structure can be confusing. My examples of CIS and PIS were incorrect but the point I was trying to make is sometimes you see Spideman doing things he is not supposed to be able to do but nobody complains, I still think there were double standards.

Another point I was trying to make is in the Marvel Universe extrodinary talent can match or even exceed superpowers. I think guys or girls like xmarksthespot and marvelprince were acknowledging this but were saying that on this forum they were trying to make a more realistic fighting envinronment. Thats why you have CIS and PIS, the problem here is were do you draw the line.

Eventhough I may be coming around to their way of thinking I still think there is an aspect of double standards.

Originally posted by King KAM
cap beats on spidey in his OWN comic book, and its still considered CIS.....this is just rediculous

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Arg. ❌

Agility:
Spider-Man>>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Intelligence:
Beast>>>Spider-Man>>>>>Cap.

Reflexes:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Speed:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>>Cap.

Strength:
Spider-Man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beast>>>>Cap.

Resourcefullness/Quick thinking on the fly:
Spider-Man>>>>>Beast>Cap.

Durabilty:
Spider-Man>>>>Beast>>>>>Cap.

Precog:
Spider-Man

Webbing capable of EASILY holding Cap:
Spider-Man

Fighting skills:
Cap>>Spider-Man>>>>Beast.

I am getting really tired of this debate.

Spider-Man, even without his Iron costume, wins against Captain America 8/10 times. Cap puts up a decent fight, but that's all he does.

I absolutly agree.

Mate read the thread properly will ya?

Originally posted by Alfheim

Another point I was trying to make is in the Marvel Universe extrodinary talent can match or even exceed superpowers. I think guys or girls like xmarksthespot and marvelprince were acknowledging this but were saying that on this forum they were trying to make a more realistic fighting envinronment. Thats why you have CIS and PIS, the problem here is were do you draw the line.

You draw the line on fights that go realistically?

Bad = Spider-Man knocks out Hulk in a comic

When you look at Hulk's durability feats compared to Spider-man's strength feats, it is simply impossible for Spider-Man to knock out Hulk.

Therefore it is PIS.

Good = Spider-Man knocks out Beast in a comic

Compare Spidey's strength feats on Beast durability feats, and there is nothing odd in him knocking out Beast.

Therefore it is not PIS.

Bad = Captain America gets beat by Iron Fist because he does not dodge his fist.

When you look at Captain America's dodging feats and his battles, there is no good reason why he would not dodge the fist. He knows Iron Fist's capabilities.

Therefore it is CIS.

Good = Captain America gets beat by Silver Surfer because he does not dodge his fist.

If you look at Silver Surfer's speed feats, you see that he is simply too fast for Captain America to dodge under any conditions.

Therefore it is not CIS.

Wow, it's Darkcrawler! Whaddup?

Spidey takes this in an easy manner, say, at least 8/10.

Originally posted by Tshern
Wow, it's Darkcrawler! Whaddup?

Nothing much. 😄

At least you've kept your record in duels and the respect thread is going strong. Meanwhile I fixed my computer for 2 months and now it's ready, only 22 euros and a lot of effort.

My main computer is broken...have to use laptop...🙁

I was THIS close of achieving level 60 in World of Warcraft and then, BAM! It shuts down and doesn't open anymore. cursing

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You draw the line on fights that go realistically?

Bad = Spider-Man knocks out Hulk in a comic

When you look at Hulk's durability feats compared to Spider-man's strength feats, it is simply impossible for Spider-Man to knock out Hulk.

Therefore it is PIS.

Good = Spider-Man knocks out Beast in a comic

Compare Spidey's strength feats on Beast durability feats, and there is nothing odd in him knocking out Beast.

Therefore it is not PIS.

Bad = Captain America gets beat by Iron Fist because he does not dodge his fist.

When you look at Captain America's dodging feats and his battles, there is no good reason why he would not dodge the fist. He knows Iron Fist's capabilities.

Therefore it is CIS.

Good = Captain America gets beat by Silver Surfer because he does not dodge his fist.

If you look at Silver Surfer's speed feats, you see that he is simply too fast for Captain America to dodge under any conditions.

Therefore it is not CIS.

Yes, yes yes. I agree. The whole problem we have is this, Captain America is supposed to be peak human but he keeps beating and surpassing superhuman, for example a hung over Cap being able to keep up with the Beast. It is not unreasonable to say that Cap's agility equals that of the Beasts, therefore making him superhuman.

The only problem is that everytime Cap beats on a superhuman its always CIS or PIS, but the problem is he keeps beating superhumans!

My problem is you cant keep saying its CIS or PIS because if a character keeps doing something this means that the rules of the Marvel Universe dictates that its possible.

Then there are those who will say that that this is not the Marvel Universe but the KMC forum and this is supposed to be more realistic. BUT this is still a comic book forum and basically you know what characters are capable of by reading the comics.

My problem is this if you look at the Namor respect thread, you can see Namor doing things that are supossed to be out of his capabilities but I dont have a problem with that. Its a comic!

When Cap does something supposedly out of his range everyone screams blue murder!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes, yes yes. I agree. The whole problem we have is this, Captain America is supposed to be peak human but he keeps beating and surpassing superhuman, for example a hung over Cap being able to keep up with the Beast. It is not unreasonable to say that Cap's agility equals that of the Beasts, therefore making him superhuman.

The only problem is that everytime Cap beats on a superhuman its always CIS or PIS, but the problem is he keeps beating superhumans!

My problem is you cant keep saying its CIS or PIS because if a character keeps doing something this means that the rules of the Marvel Universe dictates that its possible.

Then there are those who will say that that this is not the Marvel Universe but the KMC forum and this is supposed to be more realistic. BUT this is still a comic book forum and basically you know what characters are capable of by reading the comics.

My problem is this if you look at the Namor respect thread, you can see Namor doing things that are supossed to be out of his capabilities but I dont have a problem with that. Its a comic!

When Cap does something supposedly out of his range everyone screams blue murder!

I think people have that reaction is because Cap is supposed to be peak Human, and have human limits so when he does something that a human can't do its found to be PIS because as humans we know our capabilities, but for a character such as Namor you could say "well he was realy hyped up there so his adrenalin probbaly increased his strength" and nobody disputes that to a degree because he is superhuman.

I think people are far more critical on peak humans doing feats that can be classed as out of their power range because we know its not possible for a peak human, but when a superhuman does it, it could be possible because, well they are super human. Dosen't make much sense but it does to me...

I like cap but he has no chance vs. spidey

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes, yes yes. I agree. The whole problem we have is this, Captain America is supposed to be peak human but he keeps beating and surpassing superhuman, for example a hung over Cap being able to keep up with the Beast. It is not unreasonable to say that Cap's agility equals that of the Beasts, therefore making him superhuman.

He hasn't been peak human for years...if you look at Civil War #3, he gets SMASHED THROUGH A CONCRETE WALL and is still alive. Way past peak human durability. It's not unreasonable to say that he is better then Beast in agility, and if you would gather enough feats that would put him way past Beast in agility, I at least would concede.

Originally posted by complexbrother
I absolutly agree.

Thanks, brotha. 🤘

Oh ok, anyway ive read the Captain America capability thread.

As far as im concerned classic spidey vs cap = cap wins 5/10 or even 6/10

Cap versus Iron Spidey if Spidey uses invisibility= cap loses 10/10

If Spidey doe not use invisibility this is PIS, but if he does not Cap vs Iron Spidey = cap wins 3/10

I have read the Captain America capability thread and basically it speaks for itself

Originally posted by Sparkz

I think people are far more critical on peak humans doing feats that can be classed as out of their power range because we know its not possible for a peak human, but when a superhuman does it, it could be possible because, well they are super human. Dosen't make much sense but it does to me...

It makes perfect sense but the logic is flawed. It does not matter if they are superhuman, limits are limits. They may be superhuman but they have a limit and if they are doing something which is far beyond their limit it should not be possible.

Metalmanx and complex brother......how is Beast fatser than Cap when he can keep up with him when hes hungover?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Metalmanx and complex brother......how is Beast fatser than Cap when he can keep up with him when hes hungover?

Because. It's true. Beast is faster (not running-wise), more agile, and has quicker reflexes. It's just true. It's like you're asking who's faster between Flash and Superman. Flash is. Just because he is.