Originally posted by Soljer😐
But, a flaw in that argument....the BEST discus throw record for the olympics is about 243 feet. How far did Cap throw his shield, in order to catch up to the ballistic missile taking off? Not to even mention that Cap's shield would be several times the weight of a discus.
Originally posted by SoljerWho is faster?
And in that other issue where Cap was shown to be Spidey's superior in close combat. And all the times where Cap has shown to be able to Hang with Spidey-level villains. And....EDIT: Anyways, you must be illiterate. All the points that you are bringing up have been brought up earlier in this thread, and were explained, and debated. Hence, I advised you to read the first twenty five pages. I argued for most of them. Also, while you're checking up, make sure you take notice of WHO I'm arguing for.
Just so we aren't confused, or anything.
Give me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😐 Who is faster?
Spider-Man
Who is stronger?
Spider-Man
Who is more agile?
Spider-Man
Who is more durable?
Spider-Man
Who heals faster?
Spider-Man
Who has better reflexes?
Spider-Man
Who is precognitive?
Spider-Man
Who is more intelligent?
Spider-Man
Who has a long range attack that can immobilise their opponent?
Spider-Man
Who has an invisible stealth mode?
Spider-Man
Who has a fighting style based on said super-strength, -speed, -reflexes, -agility and precognition?
Spider-ManGive me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
Jobber aura... 😛
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You don't pay attention, I wasn't saying whether it was bs or not, I was proving that he said it.
😕 Ok im confused you were trying to prove that he said it...could you please clarify WHY you were doing this? If you were not trying to prove anything why quote it?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Furthermore Spiderman can dodge the Hulk. Precognition allows him to do so... Hulk is fast but he has a big frame. [/B]
So the fact that I can get some pics of Cap dodging the Hulk doesnt mean anything.... 😕 Let me guess your going to tell me its BS.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Doesnt' matter in the forum, unless I need to pull my thor example.
What about it? First of all Thor has class 100 strength. Ok whats the limit of that 150, 200, 1000? Well you know what ive seen Submariner lift up a destroyer that is supposed to weigh several thousand tons and im sure there are planty examples of Thor lifting similar stuff. So basically Thor could possibly lift up to 1000 tons thats like 100 times more than Spidey. Spidey is not a hundred times stronger than Cap.
Ok lets look at Endurance. Thor can survive in Space, Thor is immune to bullets. Can resist powerful explosions and lasers. Both Cap and Spidey are not bulletproof and both of them can get hurt by and killed by bullets and swords. In terms of damage resistance both spidey and cap are not that different. Why the hell does Spiderman bother to dodge bullets?
Apparently Thor has superhuman speed, while sure he can speed blitz sometimes but basically he cant dodge for shit at most he has the reflexes of a real life boxer. When Thor fights people like the Hulk, Juggernaut and othet Heavy hitters when do you see him dodging? Sometimes but in combat if anything his relexes are just as good as the Punishers. So really he seems to be ALOT slower than Cap and Spidey, so fighting ability on its own is not enough you need speed as well. So that would explain how Spidey dodged him.
Im sorry you cant compare Cap Vs Spidey to Spidey Vs Thor.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😐 Who is faster?
Spider-Man
Who is stronger?
Spider-Man
Who is more agile?
Spider-Man
Who is more durable?
Spider-Man
Who heals faster?
Spider-Man
Who has better reflexes?
Spider-Man
Who is precognitive?
Spider-Man
Who is more intelligent?
Spider-Man
Who has a long range attack that can immobilise their opponent?
Spider-Man
Who has an invisible stealth mode?
Spider-Man
Who has a fighting style based on said super-strength, -speed, -reflexes, -agility and precognition?
Spider-ManGive me a plausible and probable means by which Captain America wins? What does he do?
It....has.....already...been.....explained
Originally posted by Alfheim
😕 Ok im confused you were trying to prove that he said it...could you please clarify WHY you were doing this? If you were not trying to prove anything why quote it?
Because you asked...
Originally posted by Alfheim
So the fact that I can get some pics of Cap dodging the Hulk doesnt mean anything.... 😕 Let me guess your going to tell me its BS.
It was to prove what he said about his own speed. Again.
Originally posted by AlfheimThor has Godlike reflexes, the sad part is that you are trying to debate the comparison when it wasn't my point at all.
What about it? First of all Thor has class 100 strength. Ok whats the limit of that 150, 200, 1000? Well you know what ive seen Submariner lift up a destroyer that is supposed to weigh several thousand tons and im sure there are planty examples of Thor lifting similar stuff. So basically Thor could possibly lift up to 1000 tons thats like 100 times more than Spidey. Spidey is not a hundred times stronger than Cap.Ok lets look at Endurance. Thor can survive in Space, Thor is immune to bullets. Can resist powerful explosions and lasers. Both Cap and Spidey are not bulletproof and both of them can get hurt by and killed by bullets and swords. In terms of damage resistance both spidey and cap are not that different. Why the hell does Spiderman bother to dodge bullets?
Apparently Thor has superhuman speed, while sure he can speed blitz sometimes but basically he cant dodge for shit at most he has the reflexes of a real life boxer. When Thor fights people like the Hulk, Juggernaut and othet Heavy hitters when do you see him dodging? Sometimes but in combat if anything his relexes are just as good as the Punishers. So really he seems to be ALOT slower than Cap and Spidey, so fighting ability on its own is not enough you need speed as well. So that would explain how Spidey dodged him.
Im sorry you cant compare Cap Vs Spidey to Spidey Vs Thor.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because you asked...
What I asked you to get a quote of Spiderman? Nothing wrong with it dont remember asking you for one.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was to prove what he said about his own speed. Again.
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So let me clarify. Are you taking what Spiderman said about his reflexes as evidence of his speed? Are you also taking Spiderman dodging the Hulk as evidence of his speed?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Thor has Godlike reflexes, the sad part is that you are trying to debate the comparison when it wasn't my point at all. [/B]
Ok explain to me what your point is EXACTLY;
Originally posted by Alfheim
What I asked you to get a quote of Spiderman? Nothing wrong with it dont remember asking you for one.
You asked where I got it from... and I showed you.
Originally posted by Alfheim
So let me clarify. Are you taking what Spiderman said about his reflexes as evidence of his speed? Are you also taking Spiderman dodging the Hulk as evidence of his speed?
"It allows me to move 40x faster than a man." Definitely faster.
Spiderman's dodging prowress is almost unparalelled, his utilizing of it anyways, it's what he does. Cap isn't as a good a dodger as Spiderman, and never will be on the versus forum.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok explain to me what your point is EXACTLY;
About using just any example. Keeping modifiers in mind when using them.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSpiderman's dodging prowress is almost unparalelled, his utilizing of it anyways, it's what he does. Cap isn't as a good a dodger as Spiderman, and never will be on the versus forum.
Yes we know that! The point we are trying to make is that Cap is not far behind and there are quotes from Spiderman to prove this and from other superheroes.
The problem is this if I get a quote your going to tell me its rubbish or your going to tell me im a fanboy...right?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
About using just any example. Keeping modifiers in mind when using them.
So in other words Spidey Vs Thor should not happen?
Originally posted by AlfheimCaptian America is not 40x faster than a human, nor 15 times. He's slightly above an Olympic athlete I just showed you this, and you're going on hyperbole.
Yes we know that! The point we are trying to make is that Cap is not far behind and there are quotes from Spiderman to prove this and from other superheroes.The problem is this if I get a quote your going to tell me its rubbish or your going to tell me im a fanboy...right?
So in other words Spidey Vs Thor should not happen?
I'm asking you if Spiderman vs Thor should happen, I read your detailed analysis.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Captian America is not 40x faster than a human, nor 15 times.
So if Spiderman says he is 40x faster than a normal human being, thats ok? When Spiderman says who is fast enough to creep up on me without me being able to react (Captain America) thats rubbish too right?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's slightly above an Olympic athlete I just showed you this
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Yeah you showed me something but it dont mean jack. First of all it didnt say anything about him being "slightly" above olympic athlete, even marvel.com says higheir but not slightly. What is the peak of human reflexes anyway, olympic atheletes and boxers maybe fast but people like the shaolin monks are alot faster they are still human.
Further more handbooks or whatever you are using get it wrong all the time, for example they would say that Namor can lift 40 tons out of water this is clearly wrong because of the feats he does.
If these handbooks also say that Cap has no superhuman abilities but hes does superhuman feats all the time the handbooks are also wrong, but any superhuman feat that Cap does is always BS to you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm asking you if Spiderman vs Thor should happen, I read your detailed analysis. [/B]
I asked you first....I ask you the same question then you ask me the same one back? Nah I dont think so somehow, you answer my question.
Originally posted by AlfheimHes a fanboy ?? Your the fanboy for thinking Spidey would lose, and all his facts were accurate not BS, BS is your opinion on this fight.
Thats BSThats BS
Thats BS
Fanboy
Thats BS
Actually that was before he got frozen....anyway if it wasn't it would still be BS
So, still BS
Well im just gonna ignore that its all BS. Nevermind the fact that Baron Blood who had superhuman strength said that Cap had prenatural strength, your just a fanboy
So the bios are BS the bios are BS its all BS.
Yeah but didnt Namor lift a tanker...how did I know that its in a comic book but the comic books are all BS anyway and the handbooks.
BS!
BS!
BS!
Your a fanboy!
Oh yeah PIS no CIS...no its both PIS and CIS..no its more CIS than PIS...its all BS!!!
Im slightly..fed up.
Originally posted by AlfheimBut it's okay for Cap to say something... right.
So if Spiderman says he is 40x faster than a normal human being, thats ok? When Spiderman says who is fast enough to creep up on me without me being able to react (Captain America) thats rubbish too right?
Originally posted by AlfheimIt doesn't mean jack because you don't want it to. And it depends on the skill of the athlete. Cap is the best a human can get, pure and simple. Whether you like it or not, I need to see where he has become superhuman otherwise.
Yeah you showed me something but it dont mean jack. First of all it didnt say anything about him being "slightly" above olympic athlete, even marvel.com says higheir but not slightly. What is the peak of human reflexes anyway, olympic atheletes and boxers maybe fast but people like the shaolin monks are alot faster they are still human.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Further more handbooks or whatever you are using get it wrong all the time, for example they would say that Namor can lift 40 tons out of water this is clearly wrong because of the feats he does.
Handbooks? Cap is characterized at that amount, and feats are always up for speculization in the forum. PIS for example.
Namor is classified at 85 tons out of the water anyways.
Originally posted by Alfheim
If these handbooks also say that Cap has no superhuman abilities but hes does superhuman feats all the time the handbooks are also wrong, but any superhuman feat that Cap does is always BS to you.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I asked you first....I ask you the same question then you ask me the same one back? Nah I dont think so somehow, you answer my question.
You've yet to show proof for what you are saying. You made an argument and I'm waiting for your conclusion. You already made a bunch of statements about Thor that are blatantly wrong as it is. So go ahead.