Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In what category? If you take away the fact that he can't be fatigued (which allows him to do most of that in the first place), then he is a step beyond. A step. Not ten, not twenty, not 100, a step.
Regardless of the explanation for what he can do I think pressing 1100Lbs with EASE is much more than any human can press.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A power that's he's honed in and mastered for well over 3 decades. You know what a skill is right?1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.
2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill.
It doesn't matter if his powers increased his aptitude or not, his movement is a skill, his jumping is a skill. He can do it well, better than either you or I can. A person who wins the fight is the better fighter (particularly in terms of efficeincy), if you train for years and years, but you always lose your fights, how can you therefore say you are a better fighter?
OK fair enough, but as far as im concerned he is still faster than Cap but not by a great deal. He does not have superhuman intelligence he is smart but he is not better strategy and he is still not a martial arts expert eventhough he has his won fightinf style.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
See you're being erratic again though, you are now using real world examples after shunning them in several arguments with I and several other members.
"As for real life examples you cannot run away from them, but what you do is you expect someone in the real world to be like someone in the MU. I think and hope I use real world examples to explain principles".
" When I refered to principles what I mean't was that I did not expect a peak human in the real world to be like one in the MU, but I would try to use examples from the real world to make comparisons eg superhuman vs human with extreme talent is like a genuis vs hardworking normal person.".
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Regardless your argument can be right in the most extreme circumstances. When you used the word "genius" and "intelligence" then you just opened up an entire spectrum of terminology. Intelligence is a broad term, and you have several different type of intelligence: linguistic, spatial, athletic, etc. A person who is gifted is already naturally high at these, but a person who is considered a genius at these are so high at these that it goes into another level. I have taken several aptitude and have scored the relative level (which is universally accepted as 140 and above) in several fields, whilst there is no perfect test, you can tell by the development of the person. What took people hours to study, I did in minutes. I am able to stop training for a year, pick back up in a month, and get to thousands of reps a day and get to 2% bodyfat, master arts in a few tries, etc. The more overall intelligence you have (adroitness of the mind), the more able you are to adapt and master that particular given field, or become better at it. So that in itself is a skill.However, practice will only allieviate some shortcomings in most instances, some people are just gifted with ease of grace, and others can never come close no matter how well they try to speak, because that ease of grace just isn't within them. However I think you understand the point, people and things are just built for different things. I can run fast, and practice my entire life, but a young cheetah can beat me at it, because it's built for it. No different than Spiderman being built for moving, stretching and lifting due to his altered physique.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman is an accomplished genius, I hope you realize that.Spiderman INVENTED the web shooters at a young age, how many people can put claim to that. He can apply his knowledge (which is considered a skill), and pull down things in mid flight, even a moving rollercoaster, his faster body and adroitness allows for him to do things that a person could never do. They are unique and unique to him alone. He's applied them for decades now, to think otherwise is well, there are no words for that.
Er he is a genuis at Chemistry and regardless humans can dodge his web shooters. does his webbing move at the speed of bullet?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not to mention he can web a person's mouth and nose, smothering them. Something that itself can kill Cap.
Yeah yeah, yeah (gold lion show me where the light is..i think), he has to be fast enough and Cap could also chop his head off.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Again, his spine can bend twice as much as a human, not to mention his perfect equilibrium. He's also been applying this for decades, he's been pretty much established as the most agile character in Marvel, he'll always beat guys like Beast and Nightcrawler, so how is he not superhumanly skilled? (which is actually beyond genius).
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Look lets put it this way if Spiderman was on the level of the Champion in terms of skills there would be a great difference, but he is not. Cap can do superhuman feats and his skills are much better. Even if you dont agree with his feats everyone knows he has had better training and has much more experience than Spiderman has., CA also applies himself better than Spidey because he has better stratgey skills. The fact of the matter is Spiderman's skill's in a fight are not better than Cap's his actual physical attributes such as strength and reflexes are.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
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And he has applied it and can do it far outside the scope of which Captain America will ever do.
In terms of strength....
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He actually has studied fighting since he was younger,
What wrestling?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and not to mention he has trained with Cap
Doing some training is not going to make that much difference.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
and caught a bullet, something Cap can't do.
Yes we know...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And he would never kill Cap no different than Thing will never kill Cap since it would upset the fanbase, which is simply not a factor here.
That does not matter the Scorpion was trying to kill Cap and I think cap has fought him more than once and Doctor Octopus, so that does not matter. The Taskmaster is not even as popular as Cap but he has beaten Spiderman so your logic does not work.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Iron Man can press over 100 tons and has an extensive weapon system, what is he doing that is beyond the suspension of belief (or disbelief) for his powers?
He is human nobody on earth can build anything close to what he can , the same way no one earth should not be able to anything close to what Cap does He can do what he does because all extremely skilled people in the MU have their skills increased by a big difference to the real world. Why the double standards?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And Strange uses magic, which means no limit, which means walking plot device, so that in itself is a contradiction upon the very reason of his powers.
No, no, no, no , no, no , no, people are not listening to what im telling them. People practice magic in the real world and it has a training regime. The training regime is meditation where you learn to inrease you're skills in visualisation, for example if a nomal person were to visualise an orange they would only see it in their mind. The trained magacian at an adept level will actually see the orange as if it were real and he would be able to feel and taste. In scpetic terms you train yourself to induce hallucinations this is something anybody can do in time and is usually used as self-hypnosis
The ability to astral project and conjure up spirits exists in both the real world and in the MU. The difference in the real world is that you use your meditation skills to make it seem you are actually flying around or even talking to a spirit again this is usually used for self-hypnosis ( I personally belive in magic but I am taking the universally accepted view). The difference in the MU is that you can actually talk to a spirit and you can actualy use your astral form to fly around.
So again magic is a skill taken from the real world and increased to a highier level. The reason why there are no limits is beacuse its the MU, they same could apply to techies as well. I mean Dr Doom built a time machine for **** sake and he can use his armour to increase molecules to the size of boulders that is far beyond the scope of human intelligence!
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What magicians and Iron Mans do you know around here?
Whats you're point.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It doesn't matter as long as the suspension of disbelief is maintained in the forum.
Accepting Iron Man and Dr Strange on this forum with their powers is inconsistent with you're perception of the forum rules.
